Richard Gage on 9/11: Building 7, Evidence and the Turning the Tide Conference

0:02 And welcome to America Unplugged. I'm Don Jeffries. As you know, Billy Ray Valentine is on the road. I know what he's seeking, the Fountain of Youth or whatever he's doing. He's having lunch with Maryam Mondami. We're not sure what he's doing. Tony Harber is having a little, uh, difficulty with his, uh, computer, so he may be jumping in and out. And, uh, we have a special guest today. Richard Gage should be known to all of you. I had the pleasure of meeting him in New York City a few years back, and then last year at the Turning the Tide conference in Washington, DC. You must— most everybody knows him as the founder of what was once the biggest group, founder and CEO of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth. He's been away from that group for some 5 years now, and he has his own group, Richard Gage 9/11. The Turning the Tide conference has become a really big deal. They had some really big names there last year.

0:45 So he's going to talk about that and give his presentation, which people have probably seen before and is just full of information. Richard, thanks so much for coming on America Unplugged. Awesome to be here with you, Jeff— Jeffrey— Don. And Tony too, and Billy Ray when he, when he arrives. Uh, great to connect with you guys. So I just, you know, go ahead and, uh, if you talk about what you want to talk about, talk about the conference is going to be in New York this year, and then whatever you're, uh, you feel free to, uh, it looks like you've already got a slide up, so I can put that slide up whenever you want if you're not able to do it. Oh, uh, go ahead. I will, we'll do just that. Okay, there you go.

1:26 And yeah, oh, I see you're doing live on the, on the screen. Yeah, it's pretty exciting. We've got, um, an opportunity to gather, uh, several— well, 2 or 3 dozen excellent speakers in the 9/11 Truth Movement this year. Uh, it's— we're, we're growing exponentially, like, you know, in the last year or so. We had at Washington, D.C. Senator Ron Johnson come to the 9/11 Truth Conference for the first time ever. You guys, this is incredible. And I've been giving this presentation for, uh, 20 years. Um, the, uh, that is to say, when, when we started Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth. And one of my favorites, Dennis Kucinich, who was there, who I was very, you know, honored to meet. And you were gonna have Tucker Carlson there, but this— it happened the day after the Charlie Kirk shooting, and he kind of shied away from public events. Well, shied away— he was devastated by the murder, ritual false flag murder of Charlie Kirk.

2:32 So yes, he didn't come, but he says he's going to come this year. This is the 25th anniversary of 9/11, and as I was mentioning, 20 years, uh, with Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth. Now Gail and I are on our own at Richard Gage 9/11 and working with a number of other groups, uh, to bring this conference together, and we're pretty excited about it. Um, this is September 10th, 11th, 12th, and 13th— 4 days of speakers. Uh, this is incredible. Let's see who they are. I'll play this, uh, for you.

3:16 So if you look at the film of the North Tower collapsing, you can see all the explosions in the controlled demolition of that building happening in front of your very eyes. That was the BBC, and on in real time on television telling you that Building 7 had already fallen when it hadn't fallen yet. If it was true that 2 planes brought down 3 buildings in a completely unprecedented way, then that should have caused us to rethink the way we build these buildings. It didn't. If 100,000 tons of structural steel is found that far outside of the perimeter, What's there to crush the building? Not one, not two, but 3 different peer-reviewed scientific studies have concluded there was informed trading before 9/11. We have a clear right and an obligation to search for answers to the fundamental question about the planning of 9/11, its execution, the physical effects, the structural consequences when the planes hit the World Trade Center.

4:28 I felt this— I call it an incredible force of wind, of something coming at you. You either gotta move or you will die. And on the side of the U-Haul truck had a mural, had the Twin Towers on the side and a plane going into the Twin Towers. Further down into that pile I got, the more I could make out what looked like from a science fiction movie, molten lava. Why was crucial evidence of melted structural steel suppressed and not even considered, or worse yet, allowed to be carted off and destroyed?

5:11 The 9/11 Commission did not look into at all how the towers came down. In my work with the anthrax letters, they would cite experts or, you know, administration official, and they would never give you the name. And when they don't give you the name, you know they're giving you the narrative. How come 4 airplanes, 4 commercial airplanes, could be hijacked in a period of 90-something minutes and nothing happened?

6:09 TurningTheTide911.org. We want everybody there if you're in the area or you can fly there. We need to get you there. We're going to have, as you saw, uh, Bret Weinstein. Uh, we're, we're going to have, um, uh, Jimmy Dore live. Roger, are you gonna have Roger Waters there? Roger Waters from Pink Floyd. Remember him? Did you grow up with him, Don? Sure, absolutely. Wow. Yeah, he's come out in favor of a new 9/11 investigation supporting the efforts of 9/11 family member Matt Campbell, whose brother Jeff was murdered in the North Tower.

6:50 And, uh, they, they have a case in the Supreme Court that's going to change precedent. Uh, it, it almost has no other option, so it's going to go huge force in the 9/11 truth movement, uh, for just justice on behalf of all the 9/11 family members. Uh, we're gonna have James Corbett, uh, there also. Brett Weinstein of the Dark Horse Podcast, you saw. Uh, Dennis Kucinich, who has been coming out of the closet vociferously, as you heard. Um, and it's incredible. Mary Holland, Uh, myself, I'll be telling you about the World Trade Center evidence, which we're going to talk about today also. It's pretty exciting.

7:34 Mick Harrison and Barbara Honiger of the Lawyers Committee for 9/11 Inquiry. Barbara, of course, is the creator of Behind the Smoke Curtain, the story of what happened at the Pentagon in her view. Nils Harreit, who wrote the paper Nanothermite Uh, what active thermitic materials in the World Trade Center dust. And he will, uh, be there. Chris Gioia, a former fire commissioner and, and chief, uh, in a New York area town, uh, he will be there. He lost several of his friends, uh, in the, uh, the, the, the, the collapse of the Twin Towers, a destruction of those towers. Mark Crispin Miller, uh, will be there.

8:22 Bobby— Bob McIlvaine, whose son Bobby was killed also in the, in the lobby of the North Tower, I believe it was. And just an awesome array of people, including, uh, psychologist Robert Griffin, an array of first responders and, and, and Uh, uh, and New York Fire Department and FDNY, uh, folks. Eric Loyer will be there, the founder of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth. Richard Grove, forensic historian, will be talking about the financial manipulations and profits going on as a result of 9/11. Uh, so yeah, this is one you just don't want to miss.

9:09 And yes, we will be live streaming it as well. So make sure you, you take advantage of, of that effort. We started last year in Washington, D.C., as you mentioned, Don, uh, with Dana Rohrabacher, uh, Dennis Kucinich, and Kurt Weldon. Uh, when have we had congressmen and former congressmen together, uh, demanding a new 9/11 investigation? This is huge in the 9/11 truth movement. So it, it, uh, all happens, uh, from Thursday, uh, to Sunday, September 10th to the 13th. Uh, Thursday, of course, is the first anniversary of Charlie Kirk's murder, so we'll have some special remembrances and evidence, probably by James Lee.

10:01 Uh-oh, James Lee's good. Yeah, to be there. Yeah, he's dug in deep where several false flags like Gaza, uh, like, um, COVID will be covered. Merrill Nass, Dr. Merrill Nass will be covering the anthrax as well as COVID. Um, we've, we've got it all covered just about. It's pretty, uh, pretty darn exciting, I'll say. Yeah, boy, what a— that's congratulations. That's some— those are some big names. Oh, thanks. And we can get, um, you can get Saturday night tickets, $75 only. Uh, that's the big night with, um, Jimmy Dore and others. And, uh, $150 for the whole 4-day event. You can stay with us at the hotel.

10:47 Uh, there's, there's indications here somewhere about where you can stay. This is the venue, um, and, uh, it's a very, very exciting, uh, theater for us, uh, to be in. 600 seats, we're gonna fill them all, Don, uh, with, with, uh, your audience's help if you get the word out. The theatrical premiere of the Responders movie will be played. Uh, it's a, it's a very exciting movie with first responders and, and firefighters talking about, and police, uh, talking about their experiences of explosions, uh, their demand for a new investigation. Uh, it's, it's, um, an unbelievable opportunity. So that's what I wanted to share with you. Well, fantastic. So, uh, you know, we're certainly, uh— Ashley, if you're out there, uh, you're welcome to come back in. I didn't, you know, need me to scare you off. I saw you were in here briefly.

11:47 She was, uh, She may be taking Billy Ray's place today. I'm sure she probably has some questions for you. But, okay, um, there are some— my friend from Canada, RB Ham, I, I think if he said right, he's going to be in some kind of panel there. And he was one of the part of the Canadian, uh— oh no, he's not. Yeah, or yeah, he said he remembers, I guess, when you were up in Saskatoon or something. But he's, uh, he was part of the Canadian truckers convoy, if you remember, and they, uh, they punished him. He's still trying to raise money for his $50,000, uh, Dollar. So, so this is— how did you— I mean, how do you get somebody like— you're obviously becoming really big. Oh, thanks. Well, big fish in a small pond, I guess. Well, yeah, well, but you're, you know, the fact you can— I was impressed last year when you had Dennis Kucinich, again, one of my all-time heroes.

12:32 And, um, but, you know, and Kurt Weldon and Dana Rohrabacher, who came out of nowhere. I, I never knew he would, you know. Are these people— do you think they're just finally finding the courage to to talk about it? Because I don't remember them talking about it in Congress. Um, yeah, and some people are just not aware. You know, it took me 5 years. I mean, I was, uh, I swallowed the official narrative hook, line, and sinker, uh, Don. Uh, it, it was— I wanted to go into Afghanistan and Iraq and get those bastards who did this to us. Um, but, uh, what happened for me is On, um, I was home on my way back from a construction observation meeting in, in Lafayette, California, where I worked for an architecture firm in Walnut Creek.

13:24 And I heard David Ray Griffin on the radio, Bonnie Faulkner's program on Guns and Butter, Pacifica Radio. And I'm— I was just shocked, uh, to hear that, uh, you know, a 3rd building came down. Most people don't even know that a third building, uh, came down. I mean, most architects and engineers know nothing about the third worst structural failure in modern history. And I'm going, what are you talking about? He's talking about the towers and how they explosively, uh, blew up instead of collapsed, and molten metal and witnesses of explosions. This is incredible. So I said— I started at the beginning. I said, I got to find out if this is true because I'd never heard of any of this. 5 years in, and yeah, there's a Building 7. I didn't even know it was 47 stories, easily the tallest building in most of our states, about a football field away from the Twin Towers. And here it is, just standing just fine, uh, when the— after the Twin Towers came down. There was some minimal damage to it, uh, from, uh, some structural elements that striked it, struck it from the North Tower.

14:41 And, uh, but then this happens, uh, as you can see at 5:20, 7 hours later, the East Penthouse collapses in the upper left corner. And then the entire building, after 6 seconds, it does this straight down, uniformly, symmetrically into its own footprint. Now, most— I didn't see this for 5 years. That means it wasn't on television. That means the American Institute of Architects and Engineers, of which I'm one of like 90,000 members, didn't get one bulletin on this. The 3rd worst structural failure in modern history should have been the most studied failure ever because no plane hit this building, right? So here's the official narrative, Don.

15:27 What we found was that uncontrolled building fires caused an extraordinary event. The collapse of World Trade Center 7 was primarily due to fire. Fires? Well, we got to look at those fires. These are the largest fires that we have any photographic or video evidence of in the building. They're few, they're relatively small, and they're scattered throughout the building. And that is the cause of this collapse according to our government and media. And they want us to believe, uh, that those fires on floor 12 and 13 specifically caused a chain of collapse, a chain of events that caused the collapse of this building. But we never lost a steel frame fire protected structure like ever in, in the history of these of these buildings, and not since 9/11 either, when we've had much larger, longer-lasting, and hotter fires in these buildings. So we've got to get to the bottom of, of what's going on here and find out what really might have brought it down, right? Well, we could take a guess. If you look at controlled demolitions on the left, Building 7 on the right, is there any similarity? Yeah, a little bit. Is there enough similarity to warrant an investigation into the possible use of explosives, especially since the fire, the official cause of this building's collapse, has never in history brought

16:58 down a steel frame fire-protected skyscraper ever? It's not happened. So we're going to just see then if we have any of the features of controlled demolition. It turns out we have them all. It's beginning with sudden onset of destruction. Listen to Dan Rather narrate his intuition about how this building came down. What you're seeing are high shots. Now here we're going to show you a videotape of the collapse itself. Describe that. Now we go to videotape the collapse of this building. It's amazing. Amazing, incredible, pick your word. For the 3rd time today, it's reminiscent of those pictures we've all seen too much on television before when a building was deliberately destroyed by well-placed dynamite to knock it down. What, Dan, did you say deliberately destroyed by well-placed dynamite to knock it down? Well, that's what we all would think looking at this. In fact, we've never heard him say that again. We've never even seen Building 7 on mainstream media, with 2 exceptions. So yeah, it's been swept under the rug. So do we have feature number 2, a straight-down symmetrical progression?

18:18 Let's look from West Street. Yeah, pretty straight down, pretty symmetrical. Let's talk about how you achieve that. You have to take out all the core columns at once within a split second of each other, followed about a second later by the perimeter columns, and then repeat that synchronistically timed floor by floor. Do these fires have that capability? Uh, not gonna be happening. No. If a building's damaged on one side, it's gonna fall to that side, right? That's what we would expect. Yeah. In the northeast corner, and this says that fire was blazing. That's what we would have expected. So how fast does it come down? You know, also, this is fascinating.

19:01 David Chandler, physics teacher, shows us that it comes down at free fall acceleration. Wait a minute, that's as fast as a bowling ball falling out of the sky. How does the— the bowling ball has no resistance, right? This building had 40,000 tons of structural steel in it. Uh, to keep it from going anywhere. Uh, and not one of those columns gave any resistance for that period of free fall. That's incredible. Well, where did they go all of a sudden and so uniformly that we— there's 82 of them altogether, and man, they're They're, uh, they're just disappeared. Did these fires take them all out? Um, no, not gonna happen.

19:53 What could have? Well, explosions could have. Yeah, we— let's look at a few of these witnesses. This one, Daryl, a medical student, which all of these witnesses NIST denies. We were watching the building actually because it was on fire. The, uh, the bottom floors of the building were on fire. And, uh, you know, we heard this, this sound that sounded like a clap of thunder. Turned around, we were shocked to see that the building was, uh, uh, well, it looked like there was a shockwave ripping through the building and the windows all, uh, busted out. Then, you know, horrifying. Then, uh, you know, about a second later, the bottom floor caves out and, uh, the building followed after that. And the building followed after that.

20:39 That's very important set of timing events. What about Kevin McPadden, former Air Force medic? You heard explosions, like, boom. It's like a distinct sound. It's not like when the compression, like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, like floors that were dropping and collapsing. This was boom, and like you felt a rumble in the ground, like almost like you wanted to grab onto something. So to me, I knew that was an explosion. There was no doubt in my mind. And, uh, what do we— what did, uh, Bill Rosati see? I was standing like 2 blocks away and all of a sudden I just seen a big flash, and then I seen the building coming down, and I just seen people just running everywhere, chaotic-like.

21:27 Okay, that's very helpful. A flash. And what about Captain Richard Patterson of the FDNY? 1-7 let go as well and was a series of concussive explosions. And Patrick Dillon, first responder. I remember feeling that like it was like freight trains underneath the earth, shaking the earth, even shaking me. That's when we all saw Building 7 crumple in the middle, like Uh, way up at the top. It buckled. It buckled and then dropped. Very helpful. And Richard Rotanz, Deputy Director of New York's Office of Emergency Management, who worked in the building— then he had to go into that building to assess it. You could hear the building creak above us. You could hear things fall. You could hear the fire burning. You could see columns just hanging. From the upper floors, gaping holes in the floors up above us. There was an elevator car that was blown out of its shaft and was down the hall. What?

22:33 An elevator car blown out of its shaft down the hall? Did fires do that? He clarified later it was like 30 to 40 feet down the hall. That's incredible. Um, these are clearly evidence of big explosions, explosions which are corroborated by Barry Jennings, for instance, who along with Michael Hess was trying to get down from the 23rd floor where Giuliani had his bunker to manage an emergency like this. Uh, and they— this is— they were instructed to get out. So this is their experience on the way down. When we got to the 8th floor, I started walking to one side of the building That side of the building was gone.

23:20 The first explosion I heard when I was on the stairwell landing, when we made it down to the 6th floor. Then we made it back to the 8th floor, I heard some more explosions. What's the sound like? A boom, like, like an explosion. More than one? Yes. We started walking down the stairs, we made it to the 8th floor, big explosion blew us back into the 8th floor. When we get outside Police officer comes to me and says, you have to run, we have more information of bombs, so you have to run. What information of bombs? Bombs like this heard in the late morning of 9/11 in the vicinity of Building 7? Yeah, here's one of the guys. You can tell you I'm okay. All right, here, hold on. You want to call your mother or something?

24:09 Don't worry about me. 7's exploded. Wow. Well, NIST says, oh, those are just sounds of a building falling down. Well, there's no building falling down in the late morning of 9/11. Yeah, uh, there are plenty of other witnesses of explosions, but we'll get into those at the conference. Are you gonna— are you gonna talk about that? Because Barry Jennings was one of the mysterious deaths, and I believe Joe Enco was too, wasn't he? Uh, yes, he— here, well, let's listen to what Joe Enco Has to say, and then we'll talk about his untimely demise. Danny Joenko is the expert on this in Europe. What did he say?

24:52 Yes, he was, um, killed when his car sped, I don't know what speed, it hit a tree, uh, that which was like very suspicious. Michael Hastings and Barry Jennings also died before that. And, uh, yeah, Dylan Avery told me that he hired a private eye to try to find his family or something. The private eye resigned after a couple days and said never call me again. Whatever that means. And that was the day before the final NIST report came out.

25:34 So we, we need a real investigation here to find out what happened. We have 24 now, about 2, 3 dozen now, structural engineers demanding a new investigation, signed on to the petition at ae911truth.org. And that is, uh, one of those is Kamal Obaid, structural engineer. A localized failure in a steel frame building like World Trade Center 7 cannot cause a catastrophic collapse like a house of cards without a simultaneous and patterned loss of several of its columns at key locations within the building. Are fires going to be doing that? No, not today, uh, not any day. Professor Leroy Hulsey, one of the top forensic structural engineers in the country, caught wind of this and said, well, let's look at this. We've got to find out if our existing skyscrapers are vulnerable to collapse at free fall by small fires. So he did quite the study at the University of Alaska in Fairbanks, competing 2 software programs against each other, which corroborated each other's work that, um, this never happened. In fact, if this building was going to come down due to fires, it wouldn't look like this. Um, the building would have tipped over, which is intuitive, right? On the left is their final model. They said, what do we have to do to get this building to fall like it did in the

27:06 video in the middle? Uh, and they had to take out all the core columns, followed about a second later by the perimeter columns, synchronistically timed floor by floor. And then, by God, yes, it looks like a controlled demolition. Uh, NIST did a computer model on the right, the finite element analysis that they were tasked to do by Congress but failed miserably because it was a cover-up. They tried to get it to fall like the middle, but it stops after 2 seconds, begins to crumple like a beer can and tip over. So they can't even, after 7 years, try to succeed in getting their model to prove their theory, which it disproves actually, as you can see.

27:54 So NIST— I mean, the Alaska found that fire didn't cause a collapse of this building. The temperatures were not high enough to cause the weakening of the steel framing. Thermal expansion did not result in a loss of support for the beams and the girders. The collapse of this building was a global failure involving what? The near simultaneous failure of all the columns in the building, not a progressive collapse as claimed by NIST. Completely pulled the rug out from underneath the NIST report. And so that leaves the question, what brought this building down, uh, and what other evidence do we have? Because the University of Alaska didn't go here. They're structural engineers. They, they determined what didn't bring it down. Uh, they don't know what the mechanism was, but we can get a view as we look at the evidence of extreme heat provided to us not by conspiracy theorists but by the Federal Emergency Management Association, FEMA. In their appendix, they document what happened to the steel in this metallurgical examination. In the Building Performance Assessment Team report in May of 2002, what do they find? Never before observed eutectic reactions, intergranular melting capable of turning a solid steel girder into Swiss cheese like you see here in this piece of World Trade Center 7 steel.

29:26 Silver dollar-sized holes. Guess what? Fire doesn't do this to steel. We're— it takes 3,000 degrees to melt steel. Fahrenheit. We're talking much, much hotter temperatures here, thinning these beams from the World Trade Center Twin Towers to razor sharpness. Rapid oxidation, sulfidation, they say. Liquid iron— what's that? Molten iron. Sulfur formed during this hot corrosion attack. On the steel. Wow. Well, what caused this? What caused this?

30:08 These— is this extreme heat, which we can see in melted iron and steel what their temp— temperature is by their color? We're exceeding 2,500 degrees here due to the yellow and even white-hot temperatures, much hotter than that. Well, we look for— that's all evidence of ignited incendiaries. Do we have any evidence of unignited incendiaries in the World Trade Center dust? Yeah, a team of 8 international scientists led by Niels Harreit and Stephen Jones, um, they are sent independently collected samples, 7 of them, and they analyze them. They find these red-gray chips. I thought they were paint, but they are attracted to a magnet, which means that what? They have a high iron content.

31:03 So they do analysis. They get curious and do X-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy and find aluminum and iron and even manganese, which is added to thermite to become thermate. So we have this signature of thermite in the paint chips in the World Trade Center dust. What's it doing there? They get even more curious, zoomed in 50,000 times with an electron microscope, and they find these nano-sized particles of iron oxide crystals and aluminum platelets. Again, of course, the ingredients, the signature of thermite.

31:44 This is at the nanoscale. There's 1,000 times smaller than the diameter of a human hair. Well, my gosh, this is incredible. What have we— what have they uncovered? Active unreacted thermitic material incorporating nanotechnology, highly energetic and pyrotechnic or explosive materials. All the stamp— the samples they studied have these. They documented this in the peer-reviewed paper, the Bentham Open Chemical Physics Journal. Well, gosh. Um, it's never been contested with another peer-reviewed paper. That's what— how you can test somebody's conspiracy theory.

32:25 You just prove them. It hasn't been done. So we have all the key characteristic features of controlled demolition and some very uncharacteristic features here too, with the use of incendiaries, uh, which points toward clearly, unequivocally, dispositively proof of controlled demolition. A body of proof that's convinced 3,600 architects and engineers to demand a new investigation. And you can see those— all this evidence and these engineers on our website, richardgage911.org, and on ae911.org, the original website. And so we have, uh, many of them appearing in the film series ongoing. Episode 6 was just released.

33:20 Here's an— a quick peek into the series. No matter how improbable the conclusion may appear, when you've eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. We're bringing alive in the film the 60 exhibits of the 9/11 WTC evidence contained in the Lawyers Committee grand jury petition that have already been submitted to the U.S. Attorney in Manhattan to present to a special criminal jury. This historic investigation is ongoing, and there's a role for you in it.

34:07 Yes, you can help us bring the real perpetrators to justice. Through this film series, we're bringing together 2 dozen experts in their fields. They ignored any scenario involving incendiaries. Demolition work— you're going to set charges on each floor. In other words, all of the interior columns over 8 stories came down, basically lost it once. I could make out what looked like from a science fiction movie, molten lava. Okay. And he paused and said, that'll be coming down around 5 o'clock. We'll be filming these evidence presentations not only for our filings with the grand jury, also presentations to each of you.

34:54 We're inviting you to serve as virtual grand jury during each episode, and we encourage everybody to catch up with the episodes at 911c2c.org. 911, letter C, number 2. Letterc.org. And also you can see at richardgage911.org. So, uh, don't— and you can co-produce the film too, uh, for, for, um, uh, any amount. And up at $500, we'll make you an executive producer, put you on the credits, and be very grateful, uh, to you for bringing this to the grand jury in New York and elsewhere.

35:46 Uh, and John, if we have the, uh, evidence for controlled demolition of Building 7, do you think we ought to look at the Twin Towers also? Of course. Okay, you talked me into it. We have, uh, look at them. I mean, uh, upward outward arching streamers, a geometry of fireworks. Freely flying structural steel sections weighing 4 to 8 tons ejected laterally at 80 miles an hour, clocked by physicists, landing up to 600 feet in every direction.

36:26 This is not a collapse. This is something else. What are they trailing, by the way, these structural steel connections? Thick white smoke clouds. Don, Quiz, is steel flammable in office fire conditions? No. Well, don't we know that? Didn't they admit that the temperature got up to a certain amount in the building at a certain level, and yet that's not anywhere near what science tells us it has to be to melt steel? And what we've— that's right. The fires in the jet fuel only get to be 600 to 1,000 degrees. We're talking here evidence of 3,000 degrees with the use of thermite. And thermite produces what?

37:13 Not only molten iron, but aluminum oxide ash, the thick white smoke clouds. So, uh, yeah, that's the only explanation for why these structural steel sections are trailing thick white smoke clouds. So yeah, Don, we're going to look at the features of controlled demolition with regard to the Twin Towers too. So let's do it. Um, we've got, uh, we're told this is a, a pile driver, uh, driving the rest of the building down to the ground. But is that what's happening? Let's look closely. I'll make it easier for you. Look at the lower red line, the point of plane impacts. Is that upper part driving the rest of the building down to the ground, or is it destroying itself? It's telescoping in on itself. That's what's going on here. It's gone in 3 seconds. So man, that's not— if it were there, it would have— we would see it driving the rest of the building down to the ground. But we don't see it in any of the photographs, any of the videos there. If it were there, it would have crushed these few remaining core columns standing 1,000 feet in the air for about 12 seconds before they then, uh, on the— by themselves or with additional explosives are brought down.

38:39 So just look at it. Uh, one of these is a volcanic eruption, the other one is the Twin Towers. It's hard to tell which is which, right? Um, uh, clue you in, upward, outward arching streamers a geometry of fireworks freely flying solid molten objects trailed by thick white smoke clouds. That's the analogy that we're looking at here. Do we have something that can produce that? Uh, yeah, we do. 156 witnesses of explosions, and they are found by Graham McQueen, who read 12,000 pages of orally— oral audio recordings from the oral histories of the first responders.

39:31 And nobody else read these, apparently. Um, NIST certainly didn't, because he said there's no witnesses of explosions. Well, here's just a few of them. We felt the ground shake, you could see the towers sway, and then it just came down again and again. Don, you're going to hear this specific order of events. They're hearing something, they're seeing something, they're feeling something before often the towers come down. All of a sudden the ground just starts shaking. Felt like a train running under my feet. The next thing we know, we look up and the tower's collapsing. Shook my bones. Shortly before the first tower came down, I remember feeling the ground shaking, heard a terrible noise, and Then debris just started flying everywhere.

40:22 I saw flash, flash, flash at the lower level of the building, you know, like when they demolish a building. Saw a number of brief light sources being emitted from inside the building between floors 10 and 15. That's way down low in the building, right? So about 6 of these brief flashes accompanied by a crackling sound. When? Before the tower collapsed. It's very clear here. I saw low-level flashes. I saw flash, flash, flash, and then it looked like the building came down. An explosion appeared at the very top. Simultaneously, from all 4 sides, materials shot out horizontally, and then there seemed to be a momentary delay before you could see the beginning of the collapse. How specific does this fire chief, this expert witness, need to be?

41:18 There was an explosion in the South Tower, one floor under another. When it hit about the 5th floor, I figured it was a bomb because it looked like a synchronized, deliberate kind of thing. There's a lot more of those, more than 156. Yeah. So is it coming straight down? Feature number 3 of typical controlled demolition. Uh, yeah, it, it, it does later, but at first it begins to tip over. In fact, it's tipping over at 22 degrees, so there's an asymmetrical loading on the structure below. How can then we get complete symmetrical collapse all the way down each face of the building like many of those firefighters described?

42:03 Corroborating their story. What's going on here? We can get a clue by zooming in on the leading corner in this looped video. I see a dozen independent, relatively small explosions which could only have been accomplished by pre-placed explosions, not directed energy weapons. Not mini nuclear weapons, just standard pre-placed explosive controlled demolition charges. And so we also look at feature number 4: are there squibs or isolated explosive ejections coming out of the building?

42:51 Yeah, they're occurring down as far as 20 stories below the zone of destruction. 40 stories below that zone, which we're told is a gravitational collapse. But we have explosions 60 stories down below the collapse. There's no accounting for these whatsoever in the official narrative, nor these on the left, a series of independent— we're told that this is an explosion occurring down at the point of plane impacts at the bottom. But why then do we have a series of explosions halfway up, about a dozen, all at the same time, destroying the structural integrity of the rigid steel frame so that it— as even as it begins to lean to the right, it doesn't actually fall off and maintain its angular momentum and hit the ground as some solid object? No, it's basically turned into a, a, a, uh, in midair, a pile of independent structural steel pieces, and which are then laterally ejected, uh, an uncharacteristic feature of controlled demolition.

44:05 You don't want to do this in your typical controlled demolitions, impaling themselves in skyscrapers all around, destroying the Winter Gardens 600 feet away, destroying the Deutsche Bank building so that had to be taken down piece by piece. These are those sections. They are mammoth, 4 to 8 tons each. And you can see the guy climbing on the back of it, how big these are. The plane didn't have to slice, and it didn't, and it couldn't, through these steel pieces. All it had to do at 500 miles an hour We have an incredible kinetic energy developed with the tons of jet fuel in that building— as in that building, in, in that, uh, plane. And what is happening to these? They are freely flying.

45:00 This is not like a banana peeling off the side of the towers. You can see them freely flying, uh, laterally ejected like this one. About to hit Building 7. Wait a minute, what's trailing it? Are steel sections flammable in office fire and jet fuel conditions? No, not even. This can only be aluminum oxide ash from thermite trailing all of them, and there's a— they're ejected with incredible kinetic energy. Enough energy to hurl a 200-pound cannonball 3 miles.

45:41 And so that's 1,200 feet to 1,400 feet diameter about each of the towers beyond the perimeter of the World Trade Center, again destroying buildings well outside, including Building 7. Uh, there was some damage to Building 7 in the southwest corner, but NIST says that was not a significant factor in the building's collapse. By the way, another quiz, Don. Uh, if 100,000 tons of steel framing is distributed outside the tower's footprint, what's crushing the building?

46:23 Yeah, well, it's— I, I don't know. And how did the passport from the hijacker emerge in all that rubble? Unscathed. Now, the only thing that wasn't destroyed was the passport, right? Uh, you're right, good, good point there. But, uh, we, we, we can't— there's 100,000 tons, that's a, a third of the weight of the building. Yeah, that's not available to crush the building. So maybe it was the concrete. Let's look, because we're looking for concrete. I mean, 110 floors of concrete, 4 and 8 inches thick. Each an acre in size. Here's what they're made out of. They are made out of, uh, concrete poured on metal decking supported by these lightweight steel trusses, 3 feet deep. We should have seen a pile of these.

47:10 That would be 100 times 3 feet deep. That's, uh, say 300 feet high pile we're looking for. Of, of decking. Um, we don't find 50 of them. We don't find 10 of them. We don't find one of them acre-sized floor. We don't find half acre, quarter acre, 16th of an acre. No, they're gone. In a real pancaking collapse like this earthquake in Mexico, we see pancakes, right? In a real pancaking collapse Like this Bangkok, Thailand building from the Myanmar earthquake destroyed.

47:59 That was a 33-story building, but its pile is 9 times— 3 times taller than the pile of 110-story building on the left. In New York. So that's what we should have seen— a third of the height of the building in the pile in any kind of gravitational collapse. What do we see on the left? Uh, maybe 6 stories. So we're missing a lot of concrete here. Where'd it go?

48:41 You can see that— you can tell the, the height of this pile by the guys in the lower right. This is a 10-story pile. Should have been a third of the height. So the height of the tower should have been 30 stories tall at least. So where did it go? We're missing another third of the weight of this building in concrete. 90,000 tons. Ah. Here it is, Don. It's pulverized in midair. That's incredible. What, uh, all the photos, all the videos show just that. What can do that? Well, explosions can do that.

49:26 Uh, heat can do that too. Turns out at 1,500 degrees Fahrenheit, half the temperatures that we've just documented, by the way, ASTM, American Society of Testing and Materials, finds in Report 856 that white powder decomposed hydration products is what you're left with. And yeah, that's what you get. Uh, and by the way, this concrete didn't land and stay in the pile. It just distributed laterally in a 3-square-mile area. Over Lower Manhattan in a blanket 3 inches thick. By the way, yeah, second quiz: if 90,000 tons of concrete's pulverized and spread over 3 square miles from river to river, is it available to crush the building?

50:22 No, no, that's another third of the weight of the building. That's two-thirds The weight of the building is not even there to crush it, and yet all that weight was used by NIST through Zdenek Bazant of Northwestern University in Chicago to justify their theory. And it's fraudulently used to crush that building. So we— this is why we have so many architects and engineers demanding a new investigation. This is why we have the key characteristic and some very uncharacteristic features of controlled demolition, all adding up to proof. Fire doesn't count for any one of these features, let alone all 10 of them.

51:06 And again, that's why we have to get to the truth about 9/11, Don. We have a problem here, right? If, if the towers, all 3 of them, were brought down by controlled demolition, this is a very dark chapter in American history. And that's why you've been talking about it for how many years now? But maybe 20. Yeah, well, yeah, sure. I mean, it's— and it is— and R.B. Hamm was in talking about it. He— I mean, I instantly— because, you know, I've been down these roads since, uh, you know, the JFK assassination was my wheelhouse issue. But I mean, I don't, I don't trust this, and it just— it didn't look right to me. I don't have your expertise, but it looked like a movie. When I was seeing it. I said that, yeah, I don't know, I, I don't think it's supposed to look like that to me. And it didn't make any sense the entire bit.

51:51 And I've even talked about things like the jumpers, Richard. And I, I discovered in doing research myself for American Memory Hole that the first jumper happened, I think, within 3 to 5 minutes of the first impact. And I thought, what, why would people be jumping that? They, they thought there was no hope that quickly. I mean, I don't know what that means, but those are the kind of things you find in there. Is it— why was there a sense there that— because we look at other rescues in other countries, I'm sure you know, where they have, they have brought like those, you know, planes with water hoses and things like that and tried to rescue them. There was no attempt to rescue anybody that day that I know of, and it was just this sense of doom.

52:34 And why would anybody think that would happen? That had never happened before, a building that big. Yeah, it should not have happened. We got to get to the bottom of it. Yeah, yeah, that's what you're doing great work. And, and what happened afterwards? What was the result of that? The Patriot Act, Homeland Security Department, the beginning of the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq in a global war on terror that cost $6.5 trillion. We're about to do this thing in Iran. We've been doing it. Uh, it's, it's, it's a bad situation. These are called false flag events that trigger wars that the global elite, uh, drag us into through manipulations with, uh, these false flag events. I just wanted a little bit of time left we have.

53:23 I want to— I just bring up a few things, and I want to find the person in here. Uh, well, Linda Craig, first of all, had asked Do we know who took that video of the Building 7 collapse from that great angle? I don't know what great angle you're referring to. You know, the one you showed, the angle that we showed. Yeah, I just wonder if we knew who did that. Yeah, LT Oracle of Truth. You never know who's going to be in the chat room. Uh, he said that he, he owned— he's my, my company, Aramark, ran Windows Over the World, the restaurant at the top floor of the North Tower that day. 120 Souls Lost. So you never know who's going to show up in your chat room. So great to have you here, LT Workos. We would love to hear some comments from, from you. And if you don't mind sending Don an email with your email, uh, Don, I would love to speak with LT about that. Sure, LT. So my email, you guys should know, but it's author as in writer, authorjeffreys@gmail.com. But yeah, that would be great because you never know who's going to show up in here. And lots of points made in here Um, you know, people— because this, it's much like the JFK assassination— because the crime wasn't investigated, you're going to have tons of theories. And same way here. So because this wasn't really investigated, you have the— you mentioned directed energy weapons, you have, uh, the hologram, you have the, uh, no planes theories.

54:46 So you have all this stuff because it wasn't investigated. So I think I like what you know. We need to start at the premise that This is impossible. What they said happened didn't happen, so let's try to figure out what did. That's right. I try to see if I got any other questions. We had lots of people making— it was very active. Um, lots of people, big fans of yours, and glad you're here. Wonderful. Admire your work. Um, LB, my friend Vince Agnelli says even the Northridge earthquake freeway collapsed left almost all of the building intact, just pancaked down, which you mentioned about how left the freeway intact, uh, most of it.

55:32 Yeah, let's see, uh, Jackson T. Barrett says everything was dustified. What does that suggest, that everything was ground to that kind of dust? Other than the passport, of course, that We have the pulverization of, of, of 90,000 tons of concrete. That's where the dust came from— powdered concrete. That's a lot of, of, of concrete too that created from river to river that 3-inch blanket. Uh, the steel was not dustified. We saw that the steel was ejected laterally. No, it didn't land in the pile, but it was ejected laterally— 100,000 tons of steel from each building.

56:20 Yeah, it's just— I'm looking here, there's a lot of comments, but again, a lot of speculation, because, uh, this is what people are going to do. That's what Mark Lane said after, uh, you know, the JFK— and Rush to Judgment after JFK. He said, you know, when you, when you don't have a, a, an investigation, you provide lots of fodder for speculation. Yeah. And boy, that has been so true. And that's why you have all these theories, and people can call it irresponsible responsible. You're crazy, you said this. Well, the craziest theory in all these things is the official version. We know you proved that it is wrong with science. What you're seeing here is not speculation or conspiracy theory. What you're seeing is direct observations, videos, witnesses, and, and, and, and forensic evidence, uh, eyewitness testimony. Uh, it all adds up to one thing, and, and that is a controlled demolition of these 3 towers, which disproves the whole story from beginning to end. In other words, this was a planned event executed, uh, by groups of people who, uh, others have done research on and, and, and discovered lots and lots of, of evidence, uh, for involvement in.

57:34 Absolutely. So I put my corrected email in there. Um, The, uh, LT Oracle Truth, that's the guy that owned the restaurants. authorjeffreys@gmail.com, not Yahoo, Gmail. I put it in the chat there. But, uh, well, this is, this is great stuff. And again, I, I'm just impressed that, uh, you're— again, your notoriety is, is definitely growing. If you can get people like Roger Waters, is a huge name. I'm not only a rock and roll star, but now he's, uh, he's risking real thought criminal status with what he's doing here. This is, uh, you know, come out I don't know anybody else in the music world that's— Charlie Sheen in entertainment, but I— have you ever talked to Charlie Sheen? I guess he's a little too unstable. He was the first one that I know of. Yeah, he was, and, and, uh, unstable. And he did talk about 9/11, and I haven't heard him talk about 9/11. I've never talked to him myself.

58:22 Um, I haven't talked to Tucker yet. He did a 4-part series on the, uh, 9/11 truth, which, which is awesome. And, and was going to come and speak to us in May again in New York. Oh, he switched around. We're, we're excited to— yeah, and he's— and I know my audience is jaded about that. They think, look, yeah, Tucker did demonize 9/11 truthers a long time ago, but give the man credit. He said, he said he was wrong. What else do you want him to do? I don't know. Apologized. Yeah, I mean, what else? People can change their mind, you know. Think of, uh, you know, we're all brainwashed. I was for 5 years. Yeah, you're, you're, you talk about yourself. There's one more question here. Bronx Stomper says, uh, were the photos of the tower renovation with the rooms full of BB-18 fuse boxes verified? You know what he's talking about there?

59:09 It's a complex question. Um, yes, um, there were, uh, art students occupying floors of the towers up near where the planes impacted. Uh, we think that's a cover operation for a much a deeper, um, operation to plant explosives in the building, which was done with the elevator— we believe with the elevator modernization that occurred in the months prior to 9/11, and with the fireproofing upgrades that Kevin Ryan researched, uh, that occurred, uh, curiously, uh, among the floors that were hit by the planes. So We have lots of questions. Uh, the BB-18, uh, boxes visible, uh, from those art students, uh, are— may have ties to, um, uh, devices that were used that could have been used to— fuse holders in particular— that could have been used for the purpose, according to Tom Sullivan, a controlled demolition Uh, explosives loader, uh, formerly. So, okay, one, one more question, one more question, then we get it. Julia says, what about the latest Jersey girl to call out the movement? I'm not sure. I know we had the Jersey girls that I thought had disappeared.

1:00:35 Yeah, the Jersey girls came out and actually forced the Bush administration to have the 9/11 investigation, and they signed our petition, all 4 of them. Uh, and demanding a new investigation based on the evidence for explosive controlled demolition. One of them, Patty Casazza, has since, uh, been enamored with the less credible directed energy weapons theory. Okay, yeah, and that's, that's it again. That's what's going to happen. And, uh, you— so I'm— it would be great to— Ellen Mariani, I know she was very— but she died, and I, when I was researching that, I still am not sure what she died of. Actually, I always look at that kind of stuff, but, uh, she was very active. And I know when I was researching America Memory Hole, I couldn't get a hold of any of these people. They just, they would not, they wouldn't answer, even the ones that had talked before.

1:01:23 So I don't know, I, that's why I admire you getting really big names like that. So, uh, Richard Gage, this has gone too fast. I mean, I was hoping, of course, this will be up. Somebody asked about it. It'll be archived on my YouTube channel, and it'll also be on the America Unplugged YouTube and YouTube and Rumble channels both, I think. So lots of information there. You can watch it again. Richard, Richard puts it all together, you know, in a concise little less than hour format. I, I can't thank you enough. Good luck to you. And, you know, I, I probably won't get there this year, but, uh, any— give out any links or anything you want to say in closing here? Yeah, at September 10th to 13th, make sure that you share the link for this conference, Turning the Tide 9/11. So that's turningthetide911.org.

1:02:13 That's the link to the conference, uh, this September, the 25th anniversary celebration of 9/11 truth. So we are, uh, all over it, and we want you to also join us at richardgage911.org. And see the 9/11 Crime Scene to Courtroom film series. Uh, episode 6 has just been released. You can see that at 911c2c.org. If you forget all those websites, you can remember this one. It'll get you everywhere. richardgage911.org. Well, thank you, sir. You're a true American hero. I hope to see you again soon, and, uh, good luck with the conference. I know it'll be at least watching, uh, the streaming. So, uh, thanks everybody for listening to Night Protests. Good luck. And I'm soloing today, so I'll close out. No music or anything. Take care. We'll see you next week, same time. Thanks, Richard. Thanks, everybody.

1:03:09 Thanks,