#240 America Unplugged -Lake of America and the New Tariff Showdown

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Donald Jeffries, Donald Jeffries, author of Hidden

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History and Survival of the Richest, host of The Donald

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Jeffries Show. Billy Ray Valentine, Billy Ray Valentine,

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host of The Infinite Fringe podcast,

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researcher, truth seeker from the Bronx, New York.

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Tony Arterburn, Tony Arterburn, radio host, combat veteran,

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precious metals analyst, and alt historian.

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Together they take on the headlines of the week, decode the misinformation

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and plow through the mainstream propaganda,

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unauthorized, unscripted, and unintimidated.

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This is America Unplugged.

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What is going on? How's everybody doing? My name is Billy Ray Valentine, the War

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on Reality Report. This is America Unplugged.

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Hope everybody is doing well. What's going on? Listen, I was gone

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for a bit. I was out, uh, vacationing,

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uh, over at the Lake of America. It was so

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dope to go over there, such a beautiful place. I,

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I want to invite my fellow America Unplugged co-host

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to go. We could— we should go on a boys trip. We've never been on

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a boys trip. We should go on a boys trip to the Lake of America

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and have some fun. I mean, come on, we can't get any more Americana than

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that. Tony Arterburn, the wisest of all the wolves, I know you've

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never been to the Lake of America because you would have told me about this.

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Already, you know. So we need to go, we need to go there.

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I'm really disappointed because, uh, I had made the suggestion

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that we name it, uh, Lake Release the Epstein Files, and it just,

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it just fell flat. It didn't, didn't get

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any traction. I mean, it's a long title, but I thought it'd be worth it.

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Lake Release the Epstein Files is right off of Epstein Island,

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actually. That's, that's, that's where we're releasing that one. I mean, that's, that's the new,

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the new, uh, name for the body of water around Epstein Island.

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But, but, uh, Lake of America is, is right here.

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It's prime real estate, you know what I mean? I mean, nobody was using it

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before, no big deal, nobody cares, you know. So now everybody wants to go there,

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and I must tell you, I had a hell of a time. Mr. Jeffries,

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you did your fantasy football draft not too long ago.

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Did you do it in front of the calm waters of

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the Lake of America, sir? No, we were nowhere near Lake America.

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That would have been cool, but, uh, no. Well, actually, it wasn't Lake America then.

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That was a few weeks ago, so, uh, it was in the days before Lake

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America. Yeah, this was Lake Ontario, so nobody was interested.

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Yeah, nobody wanted to go there. But, but the Lake of America,

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you know, we, we will be broadcasting live from

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the Lake of America on Halloween. It's going to be amazing.

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We're gonna, we're gonna do our thing over there. Let's, let's talk a little bit

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about that. We're going to talk a little bit about, uh, uh, the tariff war

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that's been sparked, you know, again. We're doing this again.

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Uh, it's— I, I don't know what the hell going on with the world today.

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That's an Aerosmith song. Something wrong with the world today.

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Tony knows it. Yeah. Um, the War on Reality Report.

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Reality is getting crazier and crazier. What's up to everybody in the chat?

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Uh, everybody listening after the fact on the podcast.

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We sent an invitation to Ash. Ash might join us if she can.

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So let's get into it. Tony, what are you thinking?

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This is, this is nuts. I, I legit thought it was

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Um, I legit thought it was a spoof

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when I first saw it, man. Yeah, I, I really thought it was.

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And, and, and I waited because I got it through a text from someone,

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and then I was like, okay, this is bullshit, probably. So I was waiting

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for official reports, and then I'm like, oh my God, this is real. He's doing

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it again. And I understand he's trying to troll Canada as

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a result, but he signed an executive order, and, and now he's saying the big

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orange monster, the, the, the child-in-chief. He's saying

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that he's going to rename an ocean now because

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we've got a lake and we have a sea that he's already remained renamed.

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So he's going to go ahead and rename an ocean to make— he doesn't

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know whether it would be the Pacific or the Atlantic, but the Ocean of America.

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Or, you know, you would think he would get more original with these things,

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like, you know uh, Lake de Trump or something like that,

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you know. But no, it's— he's— oh, he's keeping the America theme. It's America

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First. It's for you. It's for the people of the United States

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of America. Damn it. Here we go, Tony. I mean, my quality of life has

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already gone up since we, of course, uh, switched the name over significantly.

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You know, it is interesting, um, so many people give credence to

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The Simpsons for predicting the future, and, uh, then they

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do. They do. I mean, that is a weird synchronicities that

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The Simpsons have. We— I think we can acknowledge that. Um,

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but it was really South Park that got it right, right? You know, at the

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end of the day, it's South Park now that we're— this is how the world

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ends. Um, this— it's, it's our war with the, with the Canadians

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and, uh, the cataclysm. Armageddon, ladies and gentlemen, it's not,

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it's not in Israel. It's not the building of the Third Temple. It's tariffs

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here in our own continent. And, uh, I, I don't

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know. It's so much theater, Billy. You know, the entire structure of the New World

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Order was— is built on consolidating regional economies,

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and they do that through the Trojan horse of free trade agreements. And one of

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those things that they've been working on since, uh, the fall of the Berlin Wall

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was, was NAFTA, which is the North American Free Trade

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Agreement, the linkage of Canada, Mexico, and the United

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States. And then in the mid-2000s, early 2000s, you had Condoleezza

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Rice, um, in Texas, I think at Baylor University, talking about,

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uh, the Amero and that linkage and the Trans-Texas

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Corridor, which was the giant tollway they were going to build from Mexico,

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uh, up through Texas all the way, you know, into through North America,

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uh, into Canada. So, you know, that is still a reality.

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So I'm not sure exactly what all of this is,

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if this is some sort of, um,

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creative destruction between the 2, uh,

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economies here that are stable. I mean, Mexico is not really a stable

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economy per se. It's, it's not, uh,

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it's not like a Mex— it's not like Canada has. Like, Canada has

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a, uh, a very robust, uh,

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agricultural dairy, uh, base.

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That's why they have, they have tariffs up like 230% on

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dairy products. I don't know if you knew that. Like, it they, they preach free

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trade, but they don't really actually do that when it doesn't benefit them. And I

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think most nations are like that, like that. China took

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a, uh, something from our old playbook. Um, you know, we preach free trade,

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but on things that are threatening to their base economy,

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they have high tariffs, right? And Don's

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mentioned this many times. I mean, we're, we're bastardizing what

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economic nationalism looks like. I don't even support it anymore, which is Um,

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I spent 20 years studying it and thinking that it works, and,

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and I think in theory it does, but you can't do it in a buffoonish

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way. You have to actually protect something. You can't use

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tariffs as weapons. That's not how this works. I mean, it's just an extension

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of the weaponization of the dollar. So all of this going on really

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just makes us look bad. I mean, the— where

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do you go from here? I mean, at this point, and it's, it's temporary because

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we have the midterms coming up, and I assume we're about to be entering into

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a season of subpoenas and impeachment hearings

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and investigations, the likes of which we've probably never seen

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before, uh, that will go on for infinitum,

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uh, maybe past the next 2 years. So I, I don't know,

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Billy. It's, um, literally nothing makes

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sense economically or socially or anything that we're doing policy-wise

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Uh, bigger stories, you know, you have the, uh,

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head of the CIA, John Ratcliffe, did us like a— I don't say not so

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secret because people know about it, but he flew to Moscow. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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You know, like there's stuff going on right now behind the scenes. I don't

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know if all of this is just filler, like, um,

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we're clogging up our feeds with, with bullshit

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at some level just so we'll be choked on the information. And then, you know,

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obviously we're talking about it. I, I don't think this has any strategic consequence

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other than hurting the outlook or, um,

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you know, the certainty aspect of markets. Uh, Trump certainly

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likes to take away all certainty of markets, which is how markets survive. So I

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don't know what to tell you. I mean, it's, it's, it's a

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mess, Tone. It's, it's a total mess. And, uh, I think,

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I think the mistake— well, maybe it's not a mistake, but I, I think what

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we do here in the alt media— well, not that we're that anymore, but you

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know what I'm trying to talk about, the people in the bubble that we're in,

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right? Uh, which we seek for explanations for all of this,

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right? And, and we look for the deeper meaning and, and the,

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the super, uh, underlined reasons

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for things that are going on. And so we're trying to find a

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legit logical explanation for some of these things.

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And I, I think— and I, I stop at, at, at the most obvious one—

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these people are freaking nuts. And they're completely incompetent

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and they have no idea what they're doing and they're driven by lies

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and they're driven by misinformation and disinformation. And this is why

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they're doing what they're doing, you know, um, in my opinion,

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you know, um, so, so there is that. Also, you mentioned Ratcliffe

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going over to Moscow and, and they keep saying, oh, it's a secret meeting,

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a secret meeting, a secret— dude, there are— there is footage

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of the plane landing. Like, how secret was this, you know? So it's like everybody's

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reading a script. Secret meeting. It's a secret, the secret, a secret,

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um, voyage to Moscow. No, there was nothing secret about it.

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Zero, right? And we can talk a little bit more about that, but I want

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to get, um, Don's, uh, perspective on

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the Lake of America and the tariffs, uh,

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with, with, uh, Canada. And Canada has retaliated.

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I am sorry to all my Canadian, uh, brothers and sisters

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I mean, this probably will affect us just as bad,

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if not worse, you know. Um, so I mean,

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sorry for everyone here that we have to deal with this nonsense,

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uh, but, uh, but here we are. What's up, Don? Yeah,

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well, I think as Tony kind of alluded to, you know, I, I,

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I was, uh, I was excited. Uh,

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one of the many things I liked about Trump when he first started running was

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that he talked about the terrible trade deals and he talked protectionism.

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I'm a protectionist, or I thought I was, uh, but he's doing it ass backwards.

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As you said, you know, he's— you have to bring industry back first,

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then you can explore tariffs. But he did it backwards.

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He's going tariffs first, industries— it's like, you know, the Lewis Carroll

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from Alice in Wonderland, you know, uh, uh,

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you call it, uh, sentence first, verdict afterwards.

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That's exactly what he's doing. He's, you know, terrorists are— so the

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tariffs are nonsensical, and you get people arguing over it. It's senseless. What happened to

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industry? Where are the factories? What happened to, you know, to the 100%

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tax on all the firms that, that went offshore and

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to force them back? He's done nothing like that. But you'll have his, his people

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say, no, he's building a factory here. I, I don't see anything. I don't know

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what he's talking about. Go try to find a factory job in America. They don't

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exist. Maybe you can go to, you know, Mexico or somewhere, wherever they built their

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factories, make $10 a day or something. But, uh, so it's horrible. But I think,

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you know, when you look at The, the Lake of America thing is the

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latest, uh, nonsensical thing he's done. If you look at all these crazy things

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Trump is doing, which are nothing that he ran on and don't serve any purpose

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at all, they're just distraction. And, you know, like, like putting all

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the gold in the White House, that kind of stuff, the painting the reflection pool,

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these things that right or left just are scratching their heads. It makes no sense.

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So I'm convinced now that'll be the Democrats' main theme when they

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run the next time, they're going to clean up Trump's mess. And they're—

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and the mess will be getting the reflecting pool back to normal, taking all the

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gold off the walls in the White House, renaming the Gulf of Mexico

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and Lake Ontario, all the ridiculous stuff he did, which is all pointless.

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It's kind of busy work for them or whatever. But I, I can't pretend

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to know anything he's doing now. Uh, it, it, it's nothing

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he does makes any sense. And so, you know, if he, if he lucks into

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saying something right or doing something right, I'll be shocked at this point. But,

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uh, He's running out of time. But if you get the meter, and I'm on

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X all the time now, if you get the people that are so loyal to

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him, they are living in a different world. And, you know,

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they, they, they, they believe that he's accomplishing all

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these great things. And again, they get excited about the H-1B visa program, which I've

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been talking about for years. I, I was kind of victimized by it,

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you know, back in 2018. That's— and it was, it was well before that.

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And so this is old news. Trump ran on it in 2016.

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It's senseless. We, you know, Americans should be doing these jobs. We got to abolish

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it. And of course he got into office and increased

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the number of visa workers. It's incredibly stupid. And it's a slight—

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as we know, they're now— and they're acting like this is new. I was talking

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and writing about this years ago. You have people at 7-Eleven that

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are visa workers, as if that's a skilled position, that Americans

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can't be cashiers at a store. And tons of examples

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of stuff like that. Those are the jobs Americans won't do according to the right.

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So they're acting like this is a new scandal. I, I don't think Trump

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will do it. They're doing allegedly something, but until they abolish the

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pardon, I won't believe it. So Trump is— what did Alex Jones used to

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say? All hat and no cattle. He just epitomizes that.

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Yeah. Ashley, what are your thoughts? Uh, I know that you're planning a trip

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to the Lake of America soon. You got some merch?

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Yes, we're gonna be— well, you know, actually the merch is sponsored

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by Wise Wolf Studios, so we're going to be getting our website up

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and rolling, so make sure you do that. We're going to be actually, you know,

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Billy— I don't really appreciate Billy talking about

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a guy's trip, okay? We need to be more inclusive. So this is going to

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be for our bachelorettes. That's who we're going to really focus

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on, try to catch that market with the vacation scene up

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there. That's, uh, that's an interesting, uh, angle. I hadn't thought

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about that. Um, there's so many possibilities now. We We had, you know,

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we were facing an energy crisis, a currency crisis,

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a foreign policy crisis, a crisis of government, a constitutional

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crisis, um, all these crises. But now that they've renamed the

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lake, I mean, I just feel good, you know.

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I don't think anything's wrong anymore. America's back. And that's

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how you fix tariffs. I mean, that's how you fix economic trade, right? You,

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you just rename things.

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I did, I did want to chime in on that, that this is creating— and

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I guess it may be very obvious, but there are companies that

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employ a lot of people in the United States and they also employ a lot

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of people in Canada, and sometimes they have to go back and forth. Like,

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in my wheelhouse of what I know in manufacturing, like in the paper industry

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for example, is that they have some paper

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manufacturing in Canada, some paper manufacturing in the United States,

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and they will sell to each other within plants. So this is going to be

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putting the squeeze on not only companies that are international that are working in both,

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but also the actual people who work here,

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right? Like, their plants, their profit margins are going to be shrinking because

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of these tariffs if this actually ends up going through. So,

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and, and I think the meme idea of this really

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is— and you have mentioned this earlier, Tony— but it's like distracting from the fact

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that this, if this actually goes through, this is a really serious problem

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for regular people here in the United States. This isn't just like a 50% export

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tax on maple syrup, you know? Yeah. Well,

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I, you know, the, the Canadians, I worked with the Canadian military and

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I have to, my hat's off to them. They once saved me, um,

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not just from embarrassment, possibly getting blown up, but, um,

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you know, we, now that this was like, uh, 2002,

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so this is before there was a moratorium

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internationally on cluster bombs. And I was in Afghanistan

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and we had dropped a lot of cluster bombs. Uh, they were littered everywhere and

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we got off, uh, off course. We were driving, making— that's what you do when

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you go to the most heavily mined country in the world. You make new roads

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and maps. I don't know if you knew that actually, but that was one of

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the things I had to do was go, go, go explore because you definitely want

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to drive around in the most heavily mined country in the world. And we found

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some, uh, fields of, um, you know, these little yellow pipe

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looking— those are unexploded ordnance. Those are cluster bombs. And, uh,

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I remember the sergeant I had at the time freaked out, stopped the vehicles.

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We ended up having to call the Canadians, and the Canadian commander—

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they took it like 3 hours. They finally came down in this big armored vehicle,

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and the guy got out and looked around, and he did the same thing I

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said, which was just drive out or back up,

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you know. And he just basically said, you just want to back up.

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And I thought, well, it took the Canadians, uh, it took their rationality

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Uh, and their professionalism. And I, I think about

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that, and they built great facilities too. Like, uh, they actually

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had working showers. Uh, they were a lot more cleanly

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than, uh, a lot of the American grunts and stuff. I, I appreciated—

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they had good meals. You could sneak over, maybe get something from the, from the

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Canadians. So I always appreciated them. Uh, and that kind of reminds me,

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I guess we're gonna— they're gonna have to be the adult at this point

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again in my life. I'm gonna have to see that on an international scale.

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All right, I missed it. You got your headphones back on? Yes, can you

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hear me? I hear you fine. All right, beautiful, beautiful. Sorry about that, I had

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to take off for a second. Uh, Ashley's here, and I know you guys already

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know that because she was talking and doing her thing. Ashley, thank you for joining

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us today. It was always nice to have your perspective.

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Um, did we wrap up the Lake of America

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talk? Are we done with that? Did you guys move on? What did

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you guys do? Yeah, I mean, we determined that they will find

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a flying saucer at the bottom of Lake America. That will be the next talking

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point. It will— there's some— there will be an anomaly found on a scan,

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and we're gonna have to get to the, to the bottom of the lake.

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Fantastic. Other than that, I think we're good. Well, it's a big problem.

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Um, uh, let's see if, uh, if we do find UFOs down there to make

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it even worse, right? Um, Who knows, there will be, uh,

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aliens of America. We're going to rename them. We have to deport them like Milo.

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What's up? We'll have to deport them just like Milo if we find any

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illegal extraterrestrial alien, you know. Then we'll have to, we'll have to, you know,

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look to India to import some kind of visa workers to find the UFO because

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Americans can't do that. They're not skilled. We'll have to insource it, Don. We do

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insourcing, not just outsourcing. Remember that.

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Here's the thing about that, you know, and I know that that's the, the,

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the the cool thing amongst the quote-unquote conservative circles.

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I'm not calling it actual conservatism, but, you know, what's going on now,

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you know. And, uh, and MAGA is, you know, to harp on H-1B

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visas and all this other stuff. Like, uh,

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um, in reality, this is a good thing for the United States.

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We, we need to continue to, to bring in the best

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talent from all over the world. Um, because if we don't do

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it, they're gonna do it. And you know,

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we don't have opportunities for our own citizens. I was saying, when you're gone,

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we don't. I mean, young people tell me all the time. I mean, you might

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not see it, but I don't see it because I'm old, really old. But I

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mean, you have, uh, people that are— the visa worker program has

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been abused, and the Republicans are acting like this is new news. I was talking

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about this a decade ago. They've abused the process. They use— 7-Eleven

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cashiers are visa workers sometimes, as if Americans aren't

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skilled enough to be cashiers. They have tons of examples of that, of working

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in stores, crappy jobs that Americans wouldn't want necessarily,

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but they hire visa workers for that. It's not— I saw in IT,

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I worked with tons of Indians and tons of them, and I don't have a

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real high opinion of American workers, you know. I have nobody badmouth America more than

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I do. But the Indians are not more skilled at IT.

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That's BS. Yo, it's ridiculous.

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I saw it firsthand. This is what is

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done. This is what is done to us,

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right? This is a perfect example of what's been— of what's happening to

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Americans. Yeah. Um,

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H-1B workers are not—

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but this is a generalization here. That we're making,

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right? That they're not— that they're better than— nobody said they were better than Americans,

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that we're only bringing in people from,

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from India. If there are exceptional people

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over there that are doing great things

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in whatever their field is and we bring them over here,

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it is a net benefit for America.

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Because if we don't do it, China will.

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China is— they're all— China won't do it. They're kind of harsh Chinese.

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Okay, you can continue to believe that until you— it

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manifests, because people need to see it to believe it, right? Because China has already

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jumped all over a lot of the USAID stuff that was cut off by,

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by this administration on, on the same basis of stuff.

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Oh no, we don't need this, we don't need to be doing this, we don't

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need to be doing that. China has already moved in there. We'll do it,

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we'll do it, you know. So, um, that's, that's what— and,

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and a lot of this stuff is like, oh well, we, we don't want these

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people in here, they're, they're brown and they, they don't assimilate to

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American culture and all of that stuff. It's a bunch of nonsense. There is,

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there is room for everyone. If there are

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exceptional Americans that are doing the job, they'll get the job. Is, is it

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a problem? Um, are there areas

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where this can be fixed? Absolutely. You're right, there are definitely areas—

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was there some type of corruption in it? Probably, right? Can we, can we fix

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the prop— the, the program? Absolutely. Do we do away

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with the program because we don't want brown people here? No, no,

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it's a problem. We want these people here. We don't want them in other countries.

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That's how we continue to be America first.

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But, you know, don't, don't listen to me, right?

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It's going to happen. When we continue

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to cut these things off, when we continue to isolate ourselves from

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the world stage, you will see how it affects your pockets.

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You will see how it affects American quote-unquote exceptionalism.

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You can nod your head all you want, but it is the truth.

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I was there. I was there 50 years ago. That happened, and I am here

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now. No, but I was there 50 years ago. I saw the workforce

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before the ancient people made more money. They had better benefits before

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all the immigration. It affected wages. I saw it myself.

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You would not believe the benefits we had as blue-collar workers back then.

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And I think that's probably a moot point. Like, we're not slowing down any

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of this. I mean, the legal naturalization process

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of our immigration policy is unprecedented in American

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history. I mean, since— again, since the end of the Soviet Union,

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even before that with the Immigration Act of 1965,

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we opened the floodgates, and it's, it's not even on par

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statistically remotely like the great waves of immigration that we

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had at the beginning of the 20th century. What— that's where you got the term

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like melting pot, which was mainly Eurocentric. We're talking

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about at least a million a year,

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uh, just in legal immigration. Um, and even the,

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the new head of the Department of Homeland Security was, was touting

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that. I mean, he was just interviewed and Regardless of what you see with the,

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the ICE raids, which I think are a lot of a

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psychological operation too, and there's something weird about that, or maybe

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there's a precedence being set for internal policing or federalized police or something

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like that, it has very little to do with immigration in my opinion because

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the numbers and the statistics don't change, right? I think you can go and look

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at the, the website NumbersUSA, which is like, it's just a scientific

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look. They do immigration using the scale looking at a jar of gumballs.

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And if you actually go look at that video and like just understand like

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how massive immigration already is in the

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United States, that it's not even on— it's again, it's not on par even

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with where we— what numbers we were bringing in, um,

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you know, 100 years ago. So I

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think it's probably a moot point. There's always— even if there

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is a lull, there will be another explosion. This is the where America's

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been placed in the global economy. And we, we've, we've been slotted for that.

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And so I ideologically, I think we should

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have, uh, especially with wages being stagnant

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the way they have been the past 30 and 40 years, especially the last 10,

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it would behoove us not to do that to, um, to American-born citizens.

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We, we'd have to keep the trickle of a new population we

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need to slow that. I do think best and brightest— and Billy, you bring up

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a point— like scientists, engineers, architects, all those type of things,

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people that can help build, or people that are in the tech industry.

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Okay, I'm not opposed to that, um, just, just off

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of sheer, you know, economic strength and other things. But it has to

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be, um, someone who is coming here to build

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something, right? And I, I don't— yeah, and I think if you look

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at the actual statistics and numbers from where we are, you know,

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immigration post-1990, it's not really focusing on

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that. The H-1Bs, as we saw with Disney, you know,

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Disney imported their own workers and had the people that were the

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Americans that were there train their own replacements, which is like in a Darwinian,

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like, weird humiliation ritual. No, it isn't.

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And speaking of that, when I was at my fantasy football draft, I, you know,

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I still see some of these guys I used to work with in IT.

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One of the guys is in his mid to late 50s, and he

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told me they're being laid off. They're laying off the rest of them, and they're

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going to have to train their replacements who will be from India. Now, that guy's

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been there 30 years. There's no way somebody from India is

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coming in and going to do his job any better than he's doing it,

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but he'll do it cheaper. And that's the point. They— this is all about cheap

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labor. It's not about brown people or anything else. They want cheap

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labor. Every one of those visa workers— and again, I worked a

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I saw hundreds of these people over the years when I was in IT.

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I never saw anyone that I said, you know, that guy's doing something

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that we had to have him here because no American can do it.

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No Americans in this data center can do it. Never saw it.

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Maybe they exist. I don't know where they're at. But I do know what they

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saw— they would come in and cheaper. So when they laid off all the American

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workers at my data center and all the other data centers across the United States

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Uh, when they did that, they hired them for the new workers from

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India at half the price. Plus they don't have the same benefits. They're willing

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to do that, but that's the problem. It's the same reason at the bottom of

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the industry, cutting your grass or doing your roof or all this stuff, and the

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people come from Mexico. You know, I tell people that you think

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we didn't used to do that? You think before we had immigrants, well,

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who's going to cut the grass? Who do you think cut the grass before?

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Who worked on the roofs before? Just that they,

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they— maybe not the grass because it used to be teenagers, but construction. Construction workers

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used to make good money. I knew lots of people that did that. They were

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well paid. It was hard work. It's not the same now. It's lowered wages

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and it's like— but people say, oh yeah, you're just prejudiced against immigrants. No,

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they're being exploited. And maybe their standards of living is going up a little bit,

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but our standard of living is falling and we don't need

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it. We can't provide for our own kind. Half of America makes less than

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$28,000 a year. Half. It has less than 1% of the collective

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wealth, and you want to bring in people from other countries

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to get some of the few jobs that Americans are denied? There are no opportunities.

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Talk to some— I don't know if any are in the chatter. I hear from

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people all the time not being able to find jobs, good jobs. It's all

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crap out there. There's no future. There are no careers except

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for that top 20%. So they're bringing over people who maybe this

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looks good to them. But it doesn't look good to people. As Ross Perot said

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in 1992, we're going to be the first generation whose children have a lower

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standard of living than we do. And our children, they have

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children, their, their children will have a lower standard of living. That's not the way

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it's supposed to work. Until that point, every generation had

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a better standard of living than their parents, and that's something really wrong with that.

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So I'm gonna throw it to Ashley in a sec. So a perfect example

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of, uh, of what's going on here is your, your 7-Eleven

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theory, right? They're working cashier jobs

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at 7-Eleven. It's, you know, it's— this is largely

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overblown, all right? If, if there are any of those workers brought

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in, they're working in corporate for the most part, right? So is there an

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instance where maybe that's a thing? Probably. And they

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take it and blow it up like it's a huge thing.

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This is what this is about. This is what this is about. So when

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we talk about these things, we really need to— maybe we'll take a whole

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episode and break down— we can break down the statistics and all of that and

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talk about it honestly. But we can't go to outrage

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porn where it's like, oh look, they're taking the cashier jobs,

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because it's simply not true in scale.

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Can you find an instance in which this is

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the case, what Donna says, yes, you can. I'm almost positive you can.

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But scale-wise, is it really what's going on?

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No, it's not. And to Tony's point, we do need

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people here that are going to build things. And our— has

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it been abused to a point? I believe it has. We need

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to fix that, right? We need to fix that. But that doesn't mean

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that there aren't people here that are coming to build things, because all of our

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ancestors Unless you're a Native American, and you know what type of Native

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American I'm talking about. All of our ancestors came here to

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build something. They came here for a better life.

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Everyone is from somewhere else. I think I'm American.

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You're American because you're— somebody came here maybe,

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you know, um, years and years

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and years ago. Regardless of that, they came from somewhere

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else. That tradition continues. Of course, we need to be

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selective about who comes into the country, right? We need to be a little bit

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more strict about that stuff. Biden did no favors for anyone,

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right, trying to advocate for immigration here.

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But when we cut ourselves off to the rest of the world, it is a

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problem. And that is what is being advocated

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by Don. That is what's being advocated by Jeff

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Rance. And all of these people. And they're not doing it because

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it's like, oh, it's cheap labor. Don is— I know Don,

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right? And he wrote Survival of the Richest. I don't think Don

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has a racist bone in his body, personally, right?

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But they're not doing it because of that. You go over to Jeff Renz,

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they don't want these people here. They're white freaking nationalists.

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I don't know why you continue to do that show, Don. Personally, but they

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don't want these people here. And that is the overarching,

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um, uh, thing that binds everything together.

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It's not, oh my God, these people are being exploited here in the United States.

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That is nonsense. These people— not— it's not nonsense, it's a real thing.

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But the fact that people don't want these people here because

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they're being exploited is nonsense. Okay,

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in the beginning of the Trump administration, so many of these people got deported.

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How many, how many Americans went and did the field jobs that the

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Mexicans were doing? All we saw was, was footage of,

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of the fields empty and people trying to figure out how they were going

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to staff their jobs. How many Americans went over

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there and did that? It's a different situation here.

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I'm not saying it's a good one, but what's the solution,

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right? And that's it. Let's not kid ourselves by saying, oh, it's that,

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oh, they're being— so many of these Americans, of these people, these immigrants are being

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exploited. And we want what's best for them. No, it's not what it

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is. It's a change of demographic that, that keeps

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getting talked about. It's the Great Replacement that keeps getting talked

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about, and that has nothing to do with exploitation of

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these people, is we don't want them here. Let's be intellectually honest

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about the arguments that we're making. Ashley, what's up?

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This is not an area that I'm super well-versed in. One of

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the things that I would say that I find interesting to juxtapose

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against bringing people in is during the Clinton era.

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Once again, I'll take it back to manufacturing, and I'm not an expert

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on that either, but this was one of the things that we had. Um,

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and I talked to Don about this this week, the, the fact that

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you used to be able to work a blue-collar job like in the furniture factory

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and provide for your family. So overall, that's just a

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huge change that has happened from that time until now. But this was a time

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when I knew so many people that were making their living in furniture

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factories. And then all of a sudden you have the dreaded mass

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layoff. And then it seemed to move in cycles where you

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would, you know, they would be hiring some people back and then there would be

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mass layoffs. And this— people dreaded this because they needed the money.

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And of course there's like a lot of, uh, strict rules and guidelines when you're

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on unemployment in order to try to find something else, but you also have the

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pressure of time So there was a huge effort to

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export manufacturing jobs, like high-quality, uh,

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good-paying manufacturing jobs here in the United States as well.

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And, you know, I'm not saying that that necessarily is exactly

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what we're talking about here. I just find it an interesting juxtaposition against

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what we're talking about now and what happened then,

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you know. But as far as that goes, the H-1B Uh,

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that is not really something that I've spent a lot of time studying,

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right? Well, it's a 2-front problem too, because you got the loss

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of, of living wage jobs. I think that's probably a term you might be

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looking for there, living wage. If you go back, you know, 1950s,

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1960s, um, where it started to really decline in the '70s,

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it was the opening of our markets in a way that was

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departed from American strategy and

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tradition from the founding of the country. The 2nd act out of Congress

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was the Tariff Act. This was an economic nationalist country, and that

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we were the manufacturing marvel of mankind. You call it

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the arsenal of democracy. You can go back and look at that. I mean,

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the— what we made in both world wars, and, uh,

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you know, how much wealth we had at the end of those wars, uh,

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because we stayed out of them the longest of any major power, and that we'd

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made things. It's not just that. There is the issue

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with the currency, the, you know, the debasement of the currency

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through taking us off the gold standard and the loss

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of purchasing power, those jobs leaving, plus the fact

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that the jobs that remain in a consumption economy,

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you're now in competition with, as Don has

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pointed out, I mean, someone that can do the same job just

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for less. And that is the threat, or at least the

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philosophy of why you would have an H-1B visa.

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So it is, it's a, it's entangled

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in a lot of different issues that are facing this country, which is a single,

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which is a singular problem just for the United States of America. It's like this

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isn't really happening. Uh, maybe Europe is closer to what we

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have than any other, you know, what, you know, industrialized nation around the world.

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Um, most other nations like India is for the Indians,

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you know, China's for the Chinese. And, you know, we're a different kind

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of country, as Billy pointed out. I mean, it's— there is a good argument for

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a, a nation of immigrants. The issue is it has to have a centralized

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culture of some kind. Exactly. And if that is being— if

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the accelerating point to which we're,

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um, if you go look at— there was a, there was a great book written

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in, uh, I think it's the late '90s, Don, you would know this, called Bowling

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Alone. The guy did like a lot of searches for how communities

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work when there's, there's more diversity. You, you, like, LA was

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considered like the rudest city in America, and because it was the most diverse

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people, that's just the way things work. Like, if you go to Japan,

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uh, you know, you know, Charlie Robinson recently went to Japan, I think it was

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last year, and talked about how clean it was and like how people just

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work differently. There's a different sort of collective,

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uh, culture and I'm all about, like, I,

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I, I travel a lot and I appreciate the other cultures

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and the food and other things like that. I mean, so I don't want a

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white nationalist country, just so we're clear. Like, that would be, that would

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be really boring. Like, I would, it would just not something I

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would advocate. I think that's, that's a low IQ thing.

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Um, but we, it has to be some sort of semblance of,

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of order to things.

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Well, you, you have to, you have to have, you have to have some kind

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of foundational principles to have a culture. We don't have a culture now because we

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have so many different clashing cultures. We have basically a ghetto culture. I write

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about that all the time because we've all adopted ghetto culture, and that's, it's become

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mainstream culture now. It's, it's low-class culture.

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And, you know, we revel in not speaking English correctly.

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We revel in doing stupid things for clicks and making

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dumb videos. That's what we do. So it's, and this,

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yeah, most most of my concern is because of, uh, if, if immigrants,

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if they were purple and from another planet or something, if they all came here

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and somehow they elevated pay and made things better for everyone,

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then I would be proud. But the problem is they,

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regardless, they're not coming in it like they're not in— they're not being asked

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not to. They're not purposely saying, I'm not going to assimilate.

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The government, for odd reasons, made it possible for them to do so.

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So It wasn't illegal immigrants that put up signs

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all over Florida and Texas in Spanish and put— and they had bilingual ballots

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and all that. English as a second language in schools, things we never saw before.

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That was done for a reason. Why? Because they want

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to divide us. And if you have a group of people not speaking the same

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language especially, and if you have huge cultural issues— now

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with Muslims, I don't— you know, a lot of that is Zionist propaganda. But in,

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in some— I think recently, didn't they pass, uh, Tony might know that It was

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a, uh, I think a local legislature or something

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that passed a law allowing animal sacrifice because

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that was their religion. You have those kind of clashing things that don't,

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you know, that we can't possibly equate with what we know.

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And you had that, of course, a couple years ago in the stories about the

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Haitian immigrants eating dogs and cats supposedly and all that stuff going

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on. But because the cultures do different things. I,

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I worked with people from Haiti and Trinidad. I mean, they believe in zombies and

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it's cool to talk to them. But, you know, it's— those are the kind of

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things that you have to have some foundational

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principles. And you, even if you take away all the immigrants, because we're so

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divided left and right, we have no foundational principles among white

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Americans now. There's no— not everybody believes in God. Tons of people

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don't believe it. Not everybody believes— understands when life begins. All lives

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matter. All these— we, we have great moral issues we don't

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agree on. So when you throw people in that purposely are— they're not— they

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don't want them speaking the same language because again, it's easier to divide and conquer

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that way. This is all about— it goes back to the 1965 Act somebody mentioned

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in the, uh, the chat, where there was 1965 Immigration Act, which until

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1965, all immigration, 90-plus percent legally,

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had to come from Europe. They flipped it 180

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degrees and said from that point on, 90-plus come

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from other areas, other than Europe. Now you

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tell me why a bunch of white men decided to do that. There wasn't some

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kind of conspiratorial explanation. That made no sense. They weren't getting pressure

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from anybody to do that. So you can see the cultural ramifications and you can

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see the economic ramifications because, you know, immigration is

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just one part of it. But, um, Ashley mentioned the outsourcing, and then all

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this kind of goes together. It all happened at the same time. We— there's

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a deindustrialization of America. There's a massive influx of legal and

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illegal immigration and visa workers, all that stuff,

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to compete with Americans for fewer and fewer

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good jobs. There's no future in any of these things. People don't

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get pay raises anymore. I used to get 2 raises a year as a blue-collar

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worker. Nobody does that anymore. I had tons of benefits and

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I was low class, but they don't have it

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now. They don't have it in better jobs. I had a private pension.

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People used to all have that. Now everybody has to live on Social Security.

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All that's been eliminated. It's not just because of immigration, but that fits

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right in with it, with the outsourcing and the deindustrialization,

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the visa workers, the CEO salaries that are, you know,

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these, these, uh, bonuses that I wrote about in Survival of the Richest,

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where they get tax-free bonuses, they're not even taxed on it, which were unheard

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of before probably the 1980s.

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So it's all together the same kind of things, but adds up to a huge

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mess. And I, I can, I cannot look at any of this stuff and agree

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with it because it's all wrong and it's all contributed to the situation we're in.

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Well, according to the National Bureau of Economic

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Research, and we've done this before but we will do it again because it bears

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repeating, right? Uh, immigrants own roughly 20,

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21% to 24% of all businesses in the United

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States. Overall rates, immigrants are about 60% more

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likely to start businesses than U.S.-born citizens.

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Um, and, uh, higher growth in tech. Immigrants and their children

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founded over, over 40% of Fortune 500 companies,

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you know, here in the United States. Listen, there is a contribution that

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is being given that is, uh, uh, undermined by

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this information war, by, by this rage

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porn and fear porn that's been fed to us.

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By all of these people that want us to act in a particular way and

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be at each other's throats. Okay, there is

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a contribution being made here. Everybody wants to talk

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about the bad stuff, and to say that there is no American culture is laughable

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to me. Okay, first of all, um,

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I am the son of, of an immigrant. My father's

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Puerto Rican. My father has 2 jobs. My mother has 2 jobs. I currently

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have 2 jobs, 2, and I'm trying

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to add a third, right? I'm trying to get to work.

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We, we're doing our thing here.

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To say that we don't contribute

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is a, uh, first off, it's, it's false. I, I never said anything

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like that at all. It's largely offensive. It's offensive to

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say that we don't contribute here. I never said anything like that at all.

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And, and, but this is the overall arching thing that goes on. And somebody asked

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if I listen to Jeff. Yes, unfortunately I listen to Jeff Rentsch.

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He is a white nationalist, brother. Go listen. If, if you don't think he's a

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white nationalist, then you're not listening. He's a white nationalist. The guy has a freaking

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problem. And I've been listening to that guy for years. He has a huge audience

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and he never— he lets me say whatever I want. He treats me well.

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I don't know. And he also has Nazis on there, doesn't he? Doesn't he?

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I think he has— he doesn't have who he wants. He has Nazis on there.

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He's allowed to have who he wants. Okay, all right, he's allowed to have Nazis,

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but he has Nazis is the point. Okay, I, I don't care.

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I'm not saying that you do care. Matter of fact, he has Nazis on there

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regardless. Um, so stepping away from

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this on, on, on the basis of, of, uh,

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other people coming from other countries of different cultures, stepping away from

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the benefits that it brings in is a giant problem for the United States

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of America if you want to keep keep your, uh,

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style, your, um, your style

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of life, if you, if you want to keep that the way it is,

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it's, it's a big problem. And a lot of this stuff that we're mentioning here,

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the, the, the, the outsourcing and the, the money

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issues, we have to take into account what AI is doing to

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all of this, you know. And, and that's another thing, like, they keep

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telling us, what's the immigrants, the immigrants, the immigrants? No, but it's AI.

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That's what's ultimately going to hurt the, the, the world, the population

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in general. They're— who's going to have jobs when AI has taken all the jobs?

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And that is the real threat. And I talk about that too, but you're talking

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about the immigrants that own businesses and stuff, 20-something. Again,

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what are they paying? Are they doing any better than the American business?

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Workers are not making as much money. That's the main issue I'm talking about.

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So if, if immigration was bestowing us with blessings and people

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are making even what they used to make. In today's dollars, what should the minimum

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wage be? $30 an hour or something if you go to 1960,

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1970s money, something like that, $25, $30. Obviously,

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it's not the case. So, and financially speak,

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economically, it has not been a boom for 80% of the people or more,

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the people that live paycheck to paycheck, that don't have $500 in savings in the

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bank. So, I'm throwing that all in together because it all works together

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if The up— the upside, the immigration, and you, you're working

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2 jobs, your parents working 2 jobs. I don't— is that what we should be

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striving? George W. Bush interviewed that woman and said, only in America,

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like he thought it was a great thing. I don't think it's a great thing

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that people should have to work 2 jobs. Should be able to live off of

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one job. I don't think it's a great thing either, but we're painted as lazy

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and that we don't contribute anything into the, into the country. Oh, nobody's— absolutely,

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absolutely. Let's not, let's not mince words.

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We, we are painted as lazy. And that we don't contribute

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anything to the country and we shouldn't be here. Okay, and that's what— that's the

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point I was trying to make. Regardless of that, um,

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I, I— and I'm not saying you guys are making that point. I'm saying

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in general here, this is what's going on. So the point

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I'm trying to make is there is, um, um, a benefit

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to having immigrants in this country. Everyone here at

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one point or another came from an immigrant that came to this country.

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That's just the way it is. Whether you wanted to admit it to yourself or

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not, I don't know. I don't know what to do about that. And to say

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that there's no American culture and American culture is hood and ghetto,

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I don't understand that, okay? There's certainly an American culture,

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and it was made up by all the other cultures that came here, and it

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melted together. Some people don't want to admit that to themselves.

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Some people don't like that. That's not my problem, okay? This is

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what happened. And, and America's biggest export is

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their culture. Go around the world,

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people like American music, American sports,

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American food. It's our culture.

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That's the— so to say that America doesn't have a culture is also wrong,

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in my opinion. Okay, we don't have a lot of time.

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Actually, I'm going to give you— what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up?

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Well, I think it was Oscar Wilde that said that, uh, America It's the—

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oh, it's the only, uh, uh, nation that

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went from barbarism to decadence with no civilization in between.

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Uh, we, we, yeah, we, we made, we made some sort of leap there.

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Um, but my favorite snapshot of, of immigration in America, or modern

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immigration, is the rooftop Koreans from the 1992 riots. Uh,

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Mr. Anderson got me a t-shirt as a gift with that picture. That's a great

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iconic picture of them all up on, on their rooftop of

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the liquor store with shotguns protecting their property.

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Uh, I appreciate that. And I think a lot of these arguments are just—

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they devolve because we're not really talking about the same thing, or the, the modern

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narrative can get really stupid. So I appreciate, you know, I think

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it's a good something to lay out. I've become less interested in it as time

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goes on. I'm more interested in, can we preserve the Bill of Rights?

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Do we have any sort of semblance of a free economy? Is a

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way to curtail corruption inside of those who, you know, the halls of government?

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Is there even possible anymore? What sort of country are we

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at this point? These are like existential questions because policy

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certainly is almost masturbatory that we even go over it anymore.

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I don't know if it's— policy can even be affected. Hell, we need a robust,

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uh, workforce to install all the flock cameras, okay?

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We're going to need— we're going to need people working around the clock to get

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all these flock cameras up so we can be surveilled in our police state dystopia.

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Ashley, go ahead. Yeah,

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I think that, um, you know, it has been an interesting conversation and

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food for thought. And I do think that it kind of depends on your area.

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Like, I live in North Carolina, so there's a huge merging

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of Mexican culture with, like, you know,

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other cultures here in North Carolina. Um, you know, we have a lot of

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white people, a lot of Black people, and a lot of Mexicans. And that seems

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to work really well here. Um,

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and, and I feel like people, for the

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most part, I think they get along, you know. Um, but I do think that

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the, the conversation has been interesting, and I, I do agree with Tony that there's

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a lot of other— and all of you— that the points have been made that

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there's a lot of other factors that are contributing to this. And overall,

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the, the thing that I have been trying to be the most

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mindful of lately is beware the division narrative,

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because that is what I think— that we get into hyperbole,

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especially online, and that can drive

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us to think like— to be hyperbolic in our thinking or very

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black and white in our thinking. And I think that that contributes

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to the division with all of us.

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And I think that that is the main thing that they don't want. They don't

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want us being on the same page about things. And it's not just immigration,

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it's about every single issue that you can possibly imagine

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in this information war that people are being divided over and

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are, um, you know, really getting kind of mentally

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put into these far groups based on whatever

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it is. So, uh, whether that's like what we had talked about,

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uh, last week, you know, with Lindsay Clancy— everybody

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has an opinion on that case. And everybody has an opinion on every

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single thing. And I think that that's because we're constantly being fed propaganda from

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the algorithm in order to really facilitate that division.

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But then back to what Donnie's saying, like, ultimately,

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well, I think we have a real American crisis, and especially with

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the whatever is happening in the Middle East. And I learned this week they

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want to be called something else,

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like the, the P— the PC thing is not to call it the Middle

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East anymore, but, um, the Gulf

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States, whatever is happening there. And if we potentially are headed off an energy cliff,

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then that is a problem. Like, that's one of the biggest

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problems. And I feel like a lot of people are just like,

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whatever, I don't care about Iran. And I— so

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I'm just like, keep your eye on the ball. But it's hard to do that.

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Yeah, absolutely. I think you're 100% right. Um, and, and that is

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what we've tried to highlight here on America Unplugged. And sometimes we get,

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uh, you know, caught up in the minutia of things like things like this.

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But overall, it's, it's all manipulation.

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It's— they're trying to get us at— and it's at every issue, like, like Ashley

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said, man. And, and check your algorithm, check where you get your news,

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because that's the first, the first, uh, part of this. Like, at a

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very basic level, if you're getting your news from a place like

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rents.com and you're not spreading out anywhere else,

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you got a problem. You got a problem. Look at— all right, my guy here,

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uh, uh, Flat— what is it, Flatlander? I think

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it's Flatlander508888. He says, I'd rather listen to Rents than

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BRV anytime. No problem, brother, right? It's fine with me. Uh,

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never heard any Nazi on the show. All right, brother,

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um, I, I don't know what you've been listening to. For all of these

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years. But, uh, David Duke, Don Black, uh,

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you know, to say the least, uh, tell me what they are.

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And, and then, uh, how many Holocaust deniers have they

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had on there? I mean, it's, it's, it's normal

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to tune in at any time and hear them talking about Holocaust denial,

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okay? It's normal at any times and to hear them talking

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about the Jews, the Jews, the Jews, the Jews, the Jews. And one more thing,

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the Jews. All right, so anyway,

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go ahead. Well, you, you can hear that on most of alt

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media now. Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson, they're, they're saying it in a more polite way.

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But again, Holocaust denial is, is just a,

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a way of saying World War II, uh, revisionism, and we ought

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to be able to question everything. So I don't, I don't— and I think that's

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why Rents— is Rents more concerned with about that than I would be,

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and to exclusion of others? Yeah, maybe so. But, and David

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Duke I gotta tell you, David Duke is apparently a fan of mine, so his

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people have been trying to contact me. So, uh, you know, but I don't think

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David Duke's a Nazi, you know. He's, uh, you know, I don't know what he

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is. Well, he was a lot, but so was Robert Byrd,

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so was Hugo Black on the Supreme Court. And,

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uh, you know, they overcame that from the fact that he was, and he's on

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Jeff Renz. That's my point. He continues to think these

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things. What he's saying now, what he was saying back in the '80s and '90s

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That's what everybody in the alt media is saying now. They're, they're not saying anything—

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David Duke didn't say anything different than what they're saying.

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And that's why, that's why I'm out.

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That, that what you just said right there, that's why I am out.

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Want nothing to do with that. Never want anything to

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do with that. Never wanted anything to do with that. I'm out.

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I don't, I don't want— I, I want to have real conversations about

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real issues that don't involve hate,

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I'm out. So I don't want that. I want you to be out, Don.

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You're my boy. I don't want you to be on Jeff Rents. I listen to

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you on Jeff Rents. Yeah, whenever I can on Mondays, you know. And, and I'd

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rather pull you out of there because that's a pit of vipers.

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It's, it's— and it's just shit radio, to be honest. Um,

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all right, Tony Arterburn, the wisest of all the wolves. What's up,

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Ashley? Hang out with me for a little bit while I, while I shout everybody

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out. Cool. Bringing the heat today, young man.

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You know, I've been gone for a bit and, and I rejuvenated at the Lake

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of America, you know. So when I came here, I'm like, I'm ready to go.

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What's up, buddy? The healing waters of the Lake of America.

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Once it's rebranded, it's, it's, it has a certain energy to it,

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doesn't it? It's like redoing Coke in the '80s, you know.

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Is Billy gonna buy some of our merch, Tony? I, I've got

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him signed on. He's gonna— it's a subscription. It's a— we do a kind of

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a surprise mystery package, and you can get all sorts of

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merch now, uh, that Ashley and I are putting together for Wise

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Wolf and, and Ardaburn Radio and Paratroother and all

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that. And, and Lake of America merch coming soon. And I love it.

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The, the only stipulation is that Billy has to do influencer videos

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on TikTok, and I mean the entire unpacking,

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and I mean nails. Yep,

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I love to really show off that merch, and I think that's gonna make

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it move. I was, I was telling, I was telling Tony earlier that I got

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you guys coffee. I got you some coffee too, Don. I'm gonna send it to

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you from Puerto Rico. Okay. Yeah, uh, it's supposed to be

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a, a thing. I don't drink coffee, but I got it for you guys.

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Um, all right, Tony, tell them where they can find you,

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brother. Come You can find me at tony.gold is my website,

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uh, Ardorburn Radio Transmission, ParaTruther Podcast, and coming soon,

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I just sent, uh, Ashley the new intro for,

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uh, the Wise Wolf Gold and Crypto Show, which she's gonna co-host with me.

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We're gonna do a really different kind of macro financial show

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on Mondays. At least that's the, that's the preliminary

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outline. So I can't wait. Stay tuned for that. Yeah, I'm, I am,

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uh, I recruited her before anybody else snatched her up, so Very

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proud of myself. Fantastic. I can't wait, man. I, I legit can't wait

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because I know it's gonna be a must-listen-to radio. So I

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have something else to listen to on Mondays, you know. So I'll listen to Democracy

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Now and then you guys. It's gonna be freaking dope. I can't wait. And,

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and it's, it's hard, uh, especially coming from the space that we

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come from, that we currently inhabit. Although we are independent media, we are not

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alt media, but it's hard to find something to listen to that, that's really good

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and has actual facts, you know, and, and can, you know,

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it's, it's not buried in, in this information.

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So I, I can't wait, uh, to, to listen to you guys do what you

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do. I'm very happy about that. Ashley, tell them about Nights. Tell them about anything

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that you're doing today. What's up? Yeah, we have Nights of the Storm coming up

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at 2 PM, and I believe— I think that Jason Barker is not

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going to be there today because he is celebrating his anniversary with his wife.

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So congratulations to them.

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And oh,

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her mic cut out. You might— you cut out, Ash.

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Ash, you muted yourself somehow. Yeah, a little bit muted. Boom.

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Can you hear me? Is my sound okay? So that's great.

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Anyway, Karen and I are holding down the fort, and last night on Fool Me

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Twice, we did a very long, uh, Time Storms

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episode. So if you're into the woo-woo, check out the Fool Me Twice

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YouTube or Rumble channel for Um, that kind of thing.

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And then I spoke with Don this past week on, uh,

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the Think Change Repeat show. So you can find all my links on, uh,

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Linktree. Think Change Repeat, right?

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Fantastic. Um, so do that. Don Jeffries, the legendary—

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you know I love you, Don. You know I love you. Yeah,

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I, I love them. I'm a free speech purist. I can disagree civilly

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with anybody, you know. All right, what's up? Tell the people where they can find

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you and what you're doing. Go ahead, buddy. Uh, well, I'm every— I'm banned or

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shadowbanned everywhere but Substack. donaldjeffries.substack.com. I protest.

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X is @donjeffries. Uh, RB Ham, I will be on his show

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again tonight. It's pretty much a Saturday night ritual, 10 PM Eastern with RB Ham.

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We'll be discussing, I think, 9/11. Thanks for all the kind words, Angel Blue.

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And somebody asked me where I was yesterday. My son's birthday, uh,

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was— we were celebrating yesterday, so that's why I didn't do I protest. All right,

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fantastic. Hold on everybody, don't, don't leave right now. Ashley's gonna join me,

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uh, for the shoutouts, uh, at the end of the show. Um, but I,

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I want to talk about, uh, uh, the death of

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a friend, Ron Patton, who passed away, uh, this week.

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Yeah, yeah, from cancer. He's the longtime producer

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and, uh, I want to say book— he did everything for Ground Zero,

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uh, radio with Clyde Lewis. I, I worked— yes, yes, he did. Yeah.

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I worked there for about a year, um, well, maybe longer than

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that actually, on 2 different occasions. Last time I spoke to,

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to Ron, it was during the relaunch of, of Ground Zero

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Plus, and he, he invited me to come back on, and I did for a

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time. Uh, technical difficulties and a couple of other things allowed me,

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you know, I, I, I didn't continue. Uh,

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but it was a, a, a punch to the gut to

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see that come up, and, and, and the first, um,

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instinct of mine was to text Ron. It was weird.

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Like, they're like, yo, Ron, Ron, Pat, Wayne McCroy

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shared the news with me. He's like, I thought you'd like to know.

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And as soon as I read it, I picked, you know, I just went to

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my contacts to text Ron, like somehow he was gonna

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text me back. I'm like, oh shit, man, he, he's passed away.

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I I didn't get to know him as much as I would have

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liked, but, um, in the interactions I did

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have with him, he was a very sweet man, a very accommodating—

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he wanted the best for everybody. He wanted to help me any way he could,

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you know, and he always extended himself to me. Uh, Clyde Lewis

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is the same. He's, he's always been nice to me, always had good things to

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say about me. Um, I, I, I really like Clyde,

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and I really liked Ron. Um, so rest in peace,

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rest in peace, brother. Uh, God bless you,

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man. It's, it's gonna suck not having

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you around. He, he's a quality human being as far as I know.

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Um, and, um, I know the whole Ground Zero family is in mourning

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right now. Shouts to Mr. Gates. Um,

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and, uh, you know, um, Clyde isn't, isn't doing

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very well health-wise here, guys. All right, so send

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them your well wishes, uh, and, and just know that anybody

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can go at any time, man. It's crazy. It's crazy.

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Like, it— but, uh, God bless Ron. Tone, I know you had some

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interactions with him, and then I'm gonna go to Don, and then we're getting out

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of here. Go ahead, Tone. Yeah, I just really— I didn't see that coming.

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I didn't hear any news prior to that. So, right, um, yeah,

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just some prayers for his family. And it's always tough to lose somebody that

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you worked with and Um, I was over on, uh, the Ground Zero Radio,

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um, aftermath. You know, we were together for a while,

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almost like a— I think about a year. About a year. Yeah. So yeah,

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just sad news there. Yeah, man. Uh, Don, go ahead, bud.

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Yeah, I was a guest on Clyde Lewis's show several times, and Ron

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would always be the one to contact you. And I saw he was sick on,

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uh, Facebook, but yeah, I thought Clyde Lewis was the one that was, you know,

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in danger earlier. He was very sick, but, uh, he came through

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it and, uh, apparently Ron didn't. So yeah, sorry to hear that. Certainly sorry

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to hear when anybody goes. So I didn't know that he passed away, but I

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had heard him talking about, uh, online on Facebook.

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All right, tell your people that you love them. You don't know when the last

01:02:42.610 --> 01:02:45.450
time it's going to be. Guys, if you guys, uh, wanna bow out, go ahead.

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I'm gonna hang with Ashley for a little bit and then we're getting out.

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Yeah, I gotta run, guys. Okay, guys, be good. Bye-bye. Later, take it easy.

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All right, Ashley. You never had any interactions with Ron, did you?

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No, I didn't. I didn't know those guys, unfortunately. Clive didn't come

01:03:00.073 --> 01:03:03.292
onto my radar until after he already wasn't doing as much

01:03:03.308 --> 01:03:06.397
content as he had been before. Right, right, right, right. Well,

01:03:07.044 --> 01:03:10.242
quality people, you know, but good people, um,

01:03:10.839 --> 01:03:14.115
all around, as far as I, as far as I can tell. Any,

01:03:14.374 --> 01:03:17.569
any, uh, any problems I had with,

01:03:17.698 --> 01:03:21.170
with, with Aftermath had nothing to do with either of him,

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you know. Um, so it's, uh, it sucked. It sucked to see that.

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Um, and, uh, I wanted to make sure we mentioned it. I'm glad it,

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it came back in my mind towards the end. Rest in peace, buddy.

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Um, Tony, you, you gonna, you gonna hang out? No, I mean,

01:03:37.170 --> 01:03:39.990
I can, uh, I can sit here for a couple of minutes. I've got it

01:03:40.490 --> 01:03:43.570
here, so I'm like, are you gonna hang out? All right, let me— let's just

01:03:44.070 --> 01:03:46.150
shout out the people. You want to shout out Rumble with me, bro? I'm gonna

01:03:46.650 --> 01:03:50.541
shout out people here first. Let's do it. Pistol is in the chat. What's going

01:03:50.734 --> 01:03:53.303
on? Yo, Twisted always has something to say.

01:03:54.330 --> 01:03:56.338
He's a funny guy. Um,

01:03:57.381 --> 01:04:00.705
You're a Daisy, what's up? I'm your Huckleberry. How you doing, You're a Daisy?

01:04:00.769 --> 01:04:04.270
Thank you for tuning in. Another— you had comment of,

01:04:05.249 --> 01:04:08.492
of the, of the day with the straighter her moose and Melania.

01:04:08.541 --> 01:04:11.736
That, that was hilarious. Um, I kept it up for as long as I could

01:04:11.752 --> 01:04:14.659
and then I took it down. Uh, what else do we have, Ashley?

01:04:14.723 --> 01:04:18.032
You want to say something to people? My cat Dexter is here,

01:04:18.417 --> 01:04:21.565
who loves Don. Say what's up to my cat Dexter. We love cats.

01:04:22.834 --> 01:04:26.127
Yes, we, we're a very cat-friendly group here. All of us

01:04:26.627 --> 01:04:29.404
have at least one cat in our, in our space,

01:04:29.677 --> 01:04:32.841
right? Right, right. We love, we love cats here,

01:04:32.905 --> 01:04:35.507
so we love you by default. Um,

01:04:36.246 --> 01:04:40.165
let me see, I'm your Daisy. What do we got here? I especially love

01:04:40.181 --> 01:04:43.232
my black cat Pumpkin. Yes, fantastic. Oh,

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I, I gotta run, guys. Later. My appointment at the shops here. I'll be,

01:04:46.797 --> 01:04:50.218
I'll be in the back. Tony, Tony got his, his cat.

01:04:50.635 --> 01:04:54.312
Tony's cat walked into his business and

01:04:54.409 --> 01:04:57.910
Tony kept it. Yeah, well, that's how you know, right?

01:04:58.022 --> 01:05:01.699
That's the, that's the cat distribution system at work,

01:05:01.860 --> 01:05:05.537
as it should be, right? And when it presents you with opportunity,

01:05:05.874 --> 01:05:08.765
you say yes. You say yes. You do not turn down the cats.

01:05:09.247 --> 01:05:12.007
No, you know, so, and then he told me, he was like, I'm keeping it.

01:05:12.055 --> 01:05:15.442
I'm like, yes, yes, you must keep it. Yeah, it lives

01:05:15.538 --> 01:05:18.812
in Texas. I get the, uh, the fun, uh,

01:05:19.117 --> 01:05:22.905
pictures from you sometimes, Billy, and of the store manager, which is the bodega

01:05:23.405 --> 01:05:26.982
cat, which I love. And there's actually a page on X that

01:05:27.482 --> 01:05:30.609
is called Bodega Cats. So people— yeah, it's great. It's,

01:05:30.673 --> 01:05:33.787
it's part of New York culture, part of American

01:05:34.220 --> 01:05:37.464
culture. By default. We do have a culture. And, uh, and,

01:05:38.074 --> 01:05:41.350
uh, when I walk around New York City, anybody that knows anything about New York,

01:05:41.431 --> 01:05:44.980
all of these bodegas have cats, right? Because they get rid of the rats,

01:05:45.445 --> 01:05:49.203
you know. So, um, so I take pictures of, of the managers,

01:05:49.299 --> 01:05:51.676
which is what we call them here, and, and I send them to Ash.

01:05:51.805 --> 01:05:54.775
I'm like, yo, Ash, look at the next— look at the manager. I love it.

01:05:55.241 --> 01:05:58.774
I love it. And one, one quick thing, uh, Billy, I know we gotta wrap

01:05:59.274 --> 01:06:02.853
up, but for some reason this cat that had been at a Yankees

01:06:02.885 --> 01:06:06.191
game went viral, although it happened many years before,

01:06:06.271 --> 01:06:09.463
so I was trying to find out what happened to the cat, right? And,

01:06:09.848 --> 01:06:12.927
and I still don't really know. I saw one page that said the cat was

01:06:13.427 --> 01:06:17.610
adopted out, but otherwise I, I don't know what actually happened. But in

01:06:17.867 --> 01:06:21.620
looking into that, I discovered that the Bronx actually has a really

01:06:21.716 --> 01:06:25.709
robust system for caring for volunteers caring

01:06:25.822 --> 01:06:29.350
for the community cats, which I love to see. We do our

01:06:29.850 --> 01:06:33.423
thing out here. There's a, a lady out here that we, we help monetarily,

01:06:33.439 --> 01:06:37.180
but she takes care of everything, uh, that she goes around the neighborhood and literally

01:06:37.212 --> 01:06:40.953
feeds the cats wherever they are. I went around with her one time,

01:06:41.451 --> 01:06:44.871
um, and it's amazing how many cats are

01:06:44.984 --> 01:06:48.420
out here, you know, living on the streets. And they come to her.

01:06:48.468 --> 01:06:51.888
She's the cat lady. Like, she, she shows up, they all come out. Like,

01:06:52.242 --> 01:06:55.116
I don't know if you remember the commercials for Cats at the Winter Garden Theater,

01:06:55.132 --> 01:06:59.018
you know, and they all come out like— that's exactly what happens,

01:06:59.114 --> 01:07:02.904
you know. I love that. And, and they— she provides healthcare

01:07:03.404 --> 01:07:06.903
for them. They get neutered, the whole deal. It's amazing. Yeah, that's amazing. And as

01:07:06.984 --> 01:07:10.550
you know, I had a little, um, an issue with a neighbor

01:07:10.935 --> 01:07:14.212
at my former place that I was very upset with because there

01:07:14.712 --> 01:07:18.131
was a couple of us that were trying to feed the community

01:07:18.147 --> 01:07:21.424
cats and she ended up getting, you know,

01:07:21.520 --> 01:07:25.151
animal control involved and called them pests

01:07:25.311 --> 01:07:28.331
or nuisance or whatever. So, um, It's very,

01:07:28.444 --> 01:07:32.042
very sad, but they, they are, you know, they are guardians

01:07:32.542 --> 01:07:35.400
of us in a way. All right, no, I, I totally agree. Kenny Powers is

01:07:35.432 --> 01:07:38.600
in the chat. Kenny Powers for life. I'm not going to read what you just

01:07:39.100 --> 01:07:42.997
said, but, um, I read it. I see it, I see it, and, and it's

01:07:43.497 --> 01:07:46.660
funny. Um, you're something else, bro.

01:07:47.145 --> 01:07:50.277
Uh, Bronx Stomper is in the chat. Say what's up to Bronx Stomper for me,

01:07:50.293 --> 01:07:53.845
Ash. What's up? Hey there, Derek, how you doing? What's up, D?

01:07:54.198 --> 01:07:57.270
What's going on? One of these days, Bronx Stompers,

01:07:57.350 --> 01:08:00.600
you should come on America Unplugged. It's okay if, if,

01:08:00.826 --> 01:08:03.396
if you come at me for some stuff. I'd love to have you on as

01:08:03.429 --> 01:08:06.537
a guest at some point. Come on and sit down with me and Tony and

01:08:06.569 --> 01:08:10.336
Don. Angel Blue, how are you? Wolf,

01:08:10.578 --> 01:08:13.460
uh, White Wolf is in the chat. Oh my gosh, so what do we owe

01:08:13.960 --> 01:08:14.629
the honor? Uh,

01:08:14.856 --> 01:08:18.332
NMQ8HM is

01:08:18.445 --> 01:08:22.179
in the chat. Thank you for coming back and listening. How are you? How are

01:08:22.195 --> 01:08:25.334
you doing? What else do we got here? Let me see. I know there's others.

01:08:25.447 --> 01:08:29.349
Chris Graves, God bless you. How are you, buddy? Good to see you.

01:08:30.187 --> 01:08:34.834
Uh, James— is that James? James Yonan?

01:08:35.272 --> 01:08:37.914
I think it's James Yonan. What's up, buddy? How are you? Thank you for tuning

01:08:38.012 --> 01:08:41.365
in. Uh, Thomas Clayton Powell is here. How are

01:08:41.865 --> 01:08:45.065
you? No cat owner ever knows where their cat is at

01:08:45.145 --> 01:08:48.157
any given time. That's kind of true. That's 100%

01:08:48.657 --> 01:08:51.868
true. Last night I finished Fool Me Twice and I was doing a— I call

01:08:52.368 --> 01:08:55.788
it a critter audit. And I had to try to find everybody. I could not

01:08:56.288 --> 01:09:00.030
find my main, uh, my big guy here, Tommy Kitten. And I had

01:09:00.530 --> 01:09:04.030
to break out the food. I looked everywhere, all the closets, all the things,

01:09:04.062 --> 01:09:07.195
because I thought he was trapped and he was just sleeping in a,

01:09:07.275 --> 01:09:10.906
in a hiding spot. So, yo, you're a daisy.

01:09:10.971 --> 01:09:14.413
Of course China did not celebrate International Dog I don't know why

01:09:14.913 --> 01:09:18.465
I read that. You're, you're Daisy. You're okay.

01:09:18.771 --> 01:09:21.322
God bless you too. Okay, what else do we have? Let me see.

01:09:23.286 --> 01:09:26.344
Uh, Mechanic Jams, what's up? How you doing? Good to see you.

01:09:27.083 --> 01:09:30.378
Um, my cat Dexter, we saw already. We saw— I think we—

01:09:30.458 --> 01:09:35.413
I think it's a lot of repeat offenders now. I said what's up to Twisted.

01:09:35.477 --> 01:09:37.580
Who's over on Rumble? Do you have access to Rumble?

01:09:39.537 --> 01:09:41.863
I do not have Rumble pulled up right now. Let me pull it up and

01:09:41.879 --> 01:09:44.798
say what's up to them real quick before we get out of here. RB Ham,

01:09:45.007 --> 01:09:48.055
what's up, what's up? Talking about was somebody vaxxed. Oh,

01:09:48.360 --> 01:09:50.830
uh, Ron, I don't know, bro. I don't know if he was or wasn't.

01:09:50.878 --> 01:09:54.440
I'm assuming he wasn't. Ron Patton, dude, you know, um, I don't,

01:09:54.456 --> 01:09:56.541
I don't think he came anywhere close to,

01:09:57.600 --> 01:10:00.920
to a vaccine. Uh, I don't know though, I have no idea. Um,

01:10:01.193 --> 01:10:03.904
Hilly Billy Banjo, how are you? Rest in peace, Ron.

01:10:04.081 --> 01:10:08.029
Absolutely, it was a gut punch. To the community and anybody that,

01:10:08.350 --> 01:10:11.401
that, um, interacted with him. Bartolo,

01:10:12.123 --> 01:10:15.367
what's up Bartolo? How are you? Greetings and blessings. Thank you for tuning in.

01:10:16.122 --> 01:10:18.899
And, and we want you to know, you know, whether you are right now— man

01:10:19.012 --> 01:10:22.721
is in the chat, what's going on? Great show, thanks. I appreciate that. We want

01:10:23.221 --> 01:10:25.788
you to know whether you agree or disagree, you, you talk shit about me or

01:10:26.288 --> 01:10:28.999
not, we're happy that you are here. Liz the Iron Maiden, how are you?

01:10:29.689 --> 01:10:32.243
Greetings. I'm always happy to see you. Um,

01:10:33.222 --> 01:10:37.431
and thank you for, for trying to promote things over here. Um, so there's,

01:10:37.575 --> 01:10:40.980
you know, plenty of people in the chat that, that, uh, have a different view

01:10:41.253 --> 01:10:44.530
of, of my immigration stance, you know, and that's, that's fine,

01:10:44.787 --> 01:10:46.956
you know, and we want that. But that's, that's the point of the show.

01:10:47.534 --> 01:10:50.216
I want you to know that we're not going to give the same thing.

01:10:50.264 --> 01:10:53.461
If you want to listen to things that are, you know, that,

01:10:53.477 --> 01:10:56.721
that fit your paradigm and, and everybody's agreeing and all that other stuff,

01:10:56.769 --> 01:10:59.415
go, go elsewhere. You want to go listen to Jeff Rentsch and listen to neo-Nazis,

01:10:59.735 --> 01:11:02.940
go do that. I'm not stopping you, you know. But, um, that's not what

01:11:03.440 --> 01:11:06.065
we're doing here on America Unplugged. And for everybody that tunes in week after week

01:11:06.565 --> 01:11:10.151
after week— we have 179 people tuned in right now across platforms,

01:11:10.167 --> 01:11:13.116
not including, um, Rumble.

01:11:13.436 --> 01:11:16.497
And I'm going to Rumble, I'm coming to you right now. Uh, we thank you.

01:11:16.721 --> 01:11:20.375
Thank you for everything you do. Thank you for tuning in. If you can't stand

01:11:20.407 --> 01:11:23.259
me, thank you for putting up with me. I, I appreciate it.

01:11:23.612 --> 01:11:26.497
Gorilla Underground tomorrow is going to be a doozy. You want to— you want to

01:11:26.997 --> 01:11:29.831
hear some disagreements? You want to hear some arguments? It's going to happen tomorrow.

01:11:30.023 --> 01:11:32.956
Sebs is coming on with me and we're arguing Candace Owens.

01:11:33.710 --> 01:11:37.621
That's going to be a good one. She went out

01:11:38.121 --> 01:11:41.179
of her way, Ashley, okay, on vacation,

01:11:41.980 --> 01:11:45.539
all right, to text me and tell me how wrong

01:11:45.571 --> 01:11:48.969
I was about the Candace Owens debate. And I don't even know how

01:11:49.097 --> 01:11:51.581
she found out. She's probably listening to me or saw a tweet that I did

01:11:52.081 --> 01:11:54.754
or or whatever. And she was like, that's all I have to say, thank you,

01:11:54.770 --> 01:11:58.279
goodbye. You know, you would have sent her the same

01:11:58.311 --> 01:12:01.484
tweet or the same message as well if you heard something.

01:12:01.740 --> 01:12:05.105
Even if you were on vacation, you would have done the same thing. I would

01:12:05.605 --> 01:12:09.463
not, Ashley. I would not do such things, in particular not to Seb's,

01:12:09.511 --> 01:12:12.155
because I don't want the heat, I don't want the smoke. But, but I,

01:12:12.395 --> 01:12:15.456
I want it tomorrow actually, because it'll make for good radio. But, uh, oh yeah,

01:12:15.856 --> 01:12:20.264
tune in tomorrow, uh, 7 PM Eastern. We will start Gorilla Underground and Sebs

01:12:20.764 --> 01:12:22.518
is going to come on at 8. It's going to be a discussion, so that

01:12:23.018 --> 01:12:25.045
should be fun. All right, let me see who else we got here. I don't

01:12:25.077 --> 01:12:28.329
want to miss anybody today. Same repeat offenders, so if

01:12:28.393 --> 01:12:29.777
I miss— if I missed somebody,

01:12:32.013 --> 01:12:35.154
um, BRV is a Hasan Piker fan. Actually, I'm not. I don't know too much

01:12:35.654 --> 01:12:39.205
about Hasan Piker, but I don't like his face. I know that's not

01:12:39.705 --> 01:12:42.665
a good reason not to like somebody, but, um, I don't know too much about

01:12:43.165 --> 01:12:45.267
him. I don't— I don't listen to him, so it is— it is what what

01:12:45.767 --> 01:12:48.448
it is. Uh, I need to smoke more weed, uh,

01:12:48.754 --> 01:12:52.321
Hillbilly Banjo says. I don't smoke weed at all, so maybe I have a point.

01:12:52.547 --> 01:12:55.677
Uh, UYY1984, how are you doing?

01:12:59.159 --> 01:13:01.735
Uh, uh, let me see what else, what else, what else. All right, let me

01:13:02.235 --> 01:13:05.954
go over to Rumble. You wanna, you wanna run some, uh, some cover for

01:13:05.986 --> 01:13:11.774
me, Ashley, until I get everybody up on Rumble? Sure, I will. And Hopefully,

01:13:12.191 --> 01:13:14.648
uh, you were able to get a Tommy Kitten sighting there.

01:13:15.484 --> 01:13:19.129
And, uh, normally I do for my shows, I will pull up

01:13:19.258 --> 01:13:21.940
and try to have all the chats running so I can keep track of it.

01:13:22.004 --> 01:13:26.051
But I take— because I stress out so much about that while

01:13:26.179 --> 01:13:29.841
I'm doing America Unplugged, I usually don't have the chat up. So I don't

01:13:29.873 --> 01:13:33.422
intentionally miss saying hello to anybody, just as an FYI,

01:13:33.567 --> 01:13:36.940
but I, um, I just take a break and let Billy handle

01:13:37.440 --> 01:13:40.312
all that. Uh, the stressful work of keeping up with the track,

01:13:40.473 --> 01:13:43.927
with the chat. None of us do. None of us want to ever miss anybody.

01:13:43.991 --> 01:13:46.273
And typically I have Rumble up, I just didn't have it up this time.

01:13:46.401 --> 01:13:48.667
I wasn't even supposed to be on the show today because I'm just home.

01:13:49.309 --> 01:13:51.318
So I was like, okay, I can, I can go on the show. So I

01:13:51.398 --> 01:13:55.945
did. All right, Misfit1904 Tommy

01:13:55.961 --> 01:13:59.182
Cat, he says, what's up buddy, how you doing? Um, I'm gonna come visit you

01:13:59.682 --> 01:14:03.352
guys at some point, man. I'm, I'm, I'm coming on the show 6 Uh,

01:14:03.416 --> 01:14:06.190
what's up? Shouts to Six. You know, he keeps, uh, sending,

01:14:07.424 --> 01:14:10.839
um, links. I'm just not around on Saturday nights, but at some point

01:14:10.871 --> 01:14:14.286
I will be, so I'll come around. Tara Patra Wild, how are you?

01:14:14.414 --> 01:14:17.748
God bless you. Greetings and blessings. Johnny Boy is

01:14:17.860 --> 01:14:21.243
in the chat. Uh, I know that's your boy. You want to say what's up

01:14:21.743 --> 01:14:24.481
to Johnny real quick? Yeah, hello to, to all those guys.

01:14:24.594 --> 01:14:28.409
Tom and, uh, Tara Preta Wild and Little Johnny.

01:14:29.146 --> 01:14:32.786
Uh, yeah, see them quite often, so happy to see them here.

01:14:33.106 --> 01:14:36.665
Say hello. Misfit1904, keep going, BRV. I dig it,

01:14:36.681 --> 01:14:40.513
I love it. Thank you, buddy. Uh, and, and a message to, to John.

01:14:41.266 --> 01:14:44.617
Johnny, how you doing, bro? How you feeling about your vote

01:14:45.117 --> 01:14:49.250
nowadays? You gave me a lot of shit. It's the only reason I'm fucking pointing

01:14:49.266 --> 01:14:52.537
you out. But how you feeling about this, huh? At least it's not Kamala Harris,

01:14:52.569 --> 01:14:55.871
huh? You know, at least, at least it's not Kamala Harris.

01:14:55.936 --> 01:15:00.050
We're renaming fucking bodies of water at this point. How do

01:15:00.550 --> 01:15:04.230
you feel about it, buddy? Anyway, I love you, brother. Come up here, I'll buy

01:15:04.730 --> 01:15:07.990
you a pizza. Uh, Harps338, what's going on,

01:15:08.490 --> 01:15:12.090
Harps? How you doing? Australia doesn't exist. Ashley knows Australia doesn't exist. Ashley,

01:15:12.590 --> 01:15:15.410
you know this, right? I mean, this whole myth about Australia, I'm done with this

01:15:15.910 --> 01:15:18.310
shit. I told her with this shit a long time ago, it doesn't exist,

01:15:18.810 --> 01:15:22.710
it's never existed. And Harps keeps pushing this narrative that Australia is

01:15:23.210 --> 01:15:27.070
a place. Fuck out of here. What's up? It's a division narrative, you know.

01:15:27.761 --> 01:15:31.149
I totally agree. Uh, Do Not Obey, what's going on?

01:15:31.197 --> 01:15:34.055
I appreciate you, thank you for being here. Harps, we appreciate you too, and we

01:15:34.087 --> 01:15:37.539
love— we love Australia. What's going on? Jason Barker, greetings and blessings to

01:15:38.039 --> 01:15:41.248
you. Happy anniversary. You don't see too much of that. It's important to try to

01:15:41.748 --> 01:15:44.861
keep this together. Very nice. Uh, congratulations, sir. Uh,

01:15:45.101 --> 01:15:48.329
who else do we have? The Oracle of Truth is in the house.

01:15:48.393 --> 01:15:51.846
God bless you, seeing you around here. I've seen you around

01:15:51.878 --> 01:15:55.138
these parts. Truth Refugee is in the house. God bless

01:15:55.638 --> 01:15:58.838
you, hope you're doing well. Uh, Patty Wax, Patty Wax,

01:15:58.854 --> 01:16:02.291
Patty Wax, 1, 2, 3. I just came up with that on

01:16:02.323 --> 01:16:05.292
the fly. Uh, next week I'll have the other half for you. I don't,

01:16:05.324 --> 01:16:07.405
I don't know, I don't know where that's going, but it just felt right.

01:16:08.034 --> 01:16:11.516
Uh, um, Bride Mac, what's going on? How are

01:16:12.016 --> 01:16:14.499
you? Who else we got? I don't know, I don't know.

01:16:16.210 --> 01:16:19.344
Um, that's it. I think I won't let me— it won't let me scroll any

01:16:19.376 --> 01:16:22.725
further for some reason. Yeah, yeah, after a certain time, like if

01:16:22.741 --> 01:16:26.700
you just log in, it doesn't— it like maximizes how far

01:16:26.748 --> 01:16:30.402
back you can go for some reason. Oh, that's it. So my apologies

01:16:30.434 --> 01:16:33.783
to anybody that I missed. I promise I'll do a better job next

01:16:33.799 --> 01:16:37.133
week. 57 people over on Rumble. Ashley, tell the people

01:16:37.165 --> 01:16:40.129
where they can find you. Tell them about all your shows and everything you've got

01:16:40.629 --> 01:16:43.863
going on. What's going on? Yeah, so it's been a little

01:16:43.880 --> 01:16:47.823
bit crazy because I have had the opportunity to come on America Unplugged Uh,

01:16:48.144 --> 01:16:51.244
quite often, which I'm very grateful for and honored

01:16:51.437 --> 01:16:55.903
to have that invite, doing Knights of the Storm on Saturday. And then sometimes

01:16:55.999 --> 01:16:59.389
I fill in for Tony on, uh, his Thursday show.

01:17:00.032 --> 01:17:03.164
We have the, uh, the Wise Wolf Golden Crypto Show

01:17:03.245 --> 01:17:06.827
coming up. Then I'm doing my show Think Change Repeat on

01:17:06.939 --> 01:17:10.441
Thursday night. And then we, uh,

01:17:10.458 --> 01:17:13.542
my friend Sean and I are doing Fool Me Twice, where we do kind of

01:17:14.042 --> 01:17:18.066
like hidden history some paranormal stuff. We have a cryptid

01:17:18.403 --> 01:17:22.106
episode that we're planning, so I think that we may want to ask

01:17:22.187 --> 01:17:25.233
Billy to come on, uh, with us for that if he,

01:17:25.778 --> 01:17:29.450
you know, has the, uh, schedule availability. But it's been really busy,

01:17:29.562 --> 01:17:32.833
but, um, a lot of fun. I'm learning a lot,

01:17:32.993 --> 01:17:35.382
and I'm just happy to have these opportunities.

01:17:35.815 --> 01:17:39.310
Fantastic. We are happy to have you. Thank you.

01:17:39.503 --> 01:17:42.789
We're getting up out of here in a second. Um, Kenny Powers, deadass, let's make

01:17:43.289 --> 01:17:46.160
that happen. I didn't know you were Central Jersey. Um, and they got great pizza

01:17:46.660 --> 01:17:49.160
over in Jersey. I'll bring Track with me. Let's make it happen. I'm not kidding.

01:17:49.340 --> 01:17:53.360
That'd be dope. Um, one, one more thing.

01:17:53.440 --> 01:17:56.460
Uh, damn it, man, I saw the comment and now I lost it.

01:17:57.360 --> 01:18:00.880
I don't know who— oh, here it is. Boom. All right, let me address

01:18:01.380 --> 01:18:04.440
this real quick before we get out of here. Um, and I get this a

01:18:04.940 --> 01:18:07.560
lot, and that's why I want to address it. BRV, it's not the topic,

01:18:08.060 --> 01:18:11.327
it's the fact that you don't know when to move on. Do you tell Tony

01:18:11.827 --> 01:18:15.982
to move on from economic news? Do you? Do you tell him

01:18:16.015 --> 01:18:19.817
stop beating a dead horse? Too much economic news.

01:18:19.994 --> 01:18:23.285
Gold— stop talking about gold, Tony. Do you tell him that?

01:18:24.915 --> 01:18:28.157
No, you don't. Do you go to other, other podcasters

01:18:28.657 --> 01:18:32.115
and tell them to move on? What am I doing? What am I saying that's

01:18:32.180 --> 01:18:35.477
triggering you and asking you to tell me

01:18:35.977 --> 01:18:39.938
to move on from something because people have centralized shows. People in,

01:18:40.051 --> 01:18:43.665
in the alt media— name anybody in the alt media, they've been talking about the

01:18:44.165 --> 01:18:46.655
fucking New World Order for 10, 15 years. You tell them to move on?

01:18:48.610 --> 01:18:51.781
Hmm, no, you don't. No, you don't. So just keep that in mind,

01:18:51.797 --> 01:18:55.371
all right? I'm talking about this piece of filth that we have in the White

01:18:55.387 --> 01:18:59.188
House that's freaking killing us right now. It's current. I moved on from

01:18:59.205 --> 01:19:02.687
Joe Biden because he's no longer in the White House. It's this

01:19:03.187 --> 01:19:06.628
guy that's hurting us right now. So that's why I'm talking about him. And once

01:19:07.128 --> 01:19:10.035
he's gone, I'm done with him. But he's not gone yet,

01:19:10.843 --> 01:19:14.013
right? But I, I feel like, you know, people bring that up all the time.

01:19:14.078 --> 01:19:15.990
It's like, oh, you don't, you don't move on, you're beating a dead horse,

01:19:16.054 --> 01:19:19.815
beating a dead horse. Well, really? You tell Don that he's

01:19:19.831 --> 01:19:22.887
beating a dead horse over, over H-1B visas?

01:19:24.040 --> 01:19:26.475
Because he brings it up all the time. He said himself he's been talking about

01:19:26.975 --> 01:19:30.342
it for, for years, for 15 years. He lived 10 years. He said, do you

01:19:30.842 --> 01:19:34.683
tell him move on, stop talking about that? No, you don't. So that's

01:19:35.183 --> 01:19:38.669
why I wanted to bring that up. I do appreciate you though, tune in every

01:19:38.701 --> 01:19:42.591
week. Thank you. I, I legit do. I, I legit appreciate

01:19:42.623 --> 01:19:45.743
everybody. Okay, Ashley, thank you so much. You're such

01:19:46.243 --> 01:19:49.333
a great sport. Um, I just decided— I told Tone today, I was like,

01:19:49.366 --> 01:19:52.471
let's, let's invite Ashley if she wants to come on. If she doesn't, it's fine,

01:19:52.681 --> 01:19:55.860
you know. But, um, I, I just wanted to see if

01:19:56.360 --> 01:19:59.002
you had availability, and, and you did, and you're here, and I appreciate you.

01:19:59.627 --> 01:20:02.977
Um, yeah, thank you. She's doing 8,000 things. Ashley's busy in

01:20:03.073 --> 01:20:05.574
all— in, in the alt— in the, in the independent media,

01:20:06.199 --> 01:20:08.957
and she dabbles in the alt media too, but she, she's doing her own thing.

01:20:09.726 --> 01:20:13.669
And I, I think it's, uh, it's, it's, it's always good programming. It's honest

01:20:14.169 --> 01:20:18.126
programming. And Ashley is not going to

01:20:18.158 --> 01:20:21.412
give you something, uh, you know, that, that she's not thinking.

01:20:21.604 --> 01:20:24.971
If she, if she believes something, she's going to tell you that she believes it

01:20:25.035 --> 01:20:28.135
and that she She might not have anything to back that up. She's very clear

01:20:29.694 --> 01:20:32.330
about what's going on. So I'm sorry. Go ahead, Ashley. Well, I was just going

01:20:32.830 --> 01:20:36.491
to say that's one of the things I think that in our conversations has influenced

01:20:36.556 --> 01:20:39.817
me to at the very least be more clear that

01:20:40.299 --> 01:20:44.058
like this may be anointed conspiracy theory. And I'm

01:20:44.155 --> 01:20:47.468
going to tell you that it probably is, but it's just my line

01:20:47.968 --> 01:20:51.413
of thinking. Or whenever there's more documentation

01:20:51.510 --> 01:20:55.231
or especially some of the stuff that goes back a very long time. You know,

01:20:55.664 --> 01:20:59.320
we talk about the, um, the, the documentation

01:20:59.432 --> 01:21:02.896
that is in a certain book or precedent that has been set, that kind

01:21:03.396 --> 01:21:06.087
of thing. But I have tried to distinguish the,

01:21:06.969 --> 01:21:10.417
you know, whenever I'm being speculative or not,

01:21:10.722 --> 01:21:14.603
and, uh, and trying to realize—

01:21:15.103 --> 01:21:16.736
because this is one of the things that you and I have talked about quite

01:21:17.236 --> 01:21:20.825
a bit— as far as, uh, your thoughts are not your

01:21:21.325 --> 01:21:25.386
own. And that was one of the things that really started clicking with me about

01:21:25.418 --> 01:21:29.080
the algorithmic manipulation and us kind of being herded into these

01:21:29.674 --> 01:21:32.983
dysfunctional, in some cases, um,

01:21:33.769 --> 01:21:37.062
subcultures and being in an echo

01:21:37.562 --> 01:21:40.981
chamber of that. And then, and not actually thinking outside of the echo chamber and

01:21:41.077 --> 01:21:44.386
why we're there. So I really have been trying to, to think

01:21:44.530 --> 01:21:48.064
through this stuff and be more careful with kind

01:21:48.564 --> 01:21:52.015
of how I think about things, thinking about things that I'm being shown from

01:21:52.063 --> 01:21:55.355
the algorithm, things that are trending in, like you said, in the

01:21:55.435 --> 01:21:58.824
alt media. And which part of the alt media is it? The, like, the higher-ups,

01:21:58.888 --> 01:22:02.293
like a Tucker or Candace, or is it some people that

01:22:02.793 --> 01:22:06.003
are more in this space or whatever? I'm just trying to do better about that

01:22:06.196 --> 01:22:09.826
and, uh, be more accurate. It's tough. It's not easy.

01:22:09.922 --> 01:22:13.230
It's not easy. And it's a, it's a responsibility that we bear

01:22:13.343 --> 01:22:16.504
here by doing this. You know, and, uh, I thought I

01:22:17.004 --> 01:22:18.814
knew what I was doing before, and I was like, man, shit, you know.

01:22:19.601 --> 01:22:22.873
So I take it very— a lot more seriously now, you know, and,

01:22:22.906 --> 01:22:25.280
and try to be specific with words. And I'm still— I still have a long

01:22:25.312 --> 01:22:28.505
way to go, a long way to go. Um, I enjoy broadcasting. Thank you for

01:22:28.521 --> 01:22:32.275
tuning in. We have, uh, um, we have guests lined up

01:22:32.291 --> 01:22:35.243
throughout September. We have some guests in October.

01:22:35.804 --> 01:22:38.628
Um, I, I am going to take a couple of weeks off in September because

01:22:39.128 --> 01:22:43.043
I have stuff to do, but I in the, in the, in the weeks that

01:22:43.107 --> 01:22:46.575
I am, uh, operational, we have guests. We have, we have a

01:22:47.075 --> 01:22:50.445
show at Guerrilla Underground. We, we're, we're move— trying to move it forward. We're gonna—

01:22:51.376 --> 01:22:55.085
I'm excited about talking to new people and some old people too,

01:22:55.406 --> 01:22:58.537
you know. It's— so we do have that, and, and we'll, we'll share links and

01:22:59.037 --> 01:23:01.604
do everything here. Ashley, we appreciate you. Um, uh,

01:23:02.070 --> 01:23:05.297
Barry from London, from what I'm assuming is London, Londium.

01:23:06.370 --> 01:23:09.877
Uh, either that's a misspelling or he was trying to— or

01:23:10.377 --> 01:23:13.788
she was trying to, uh, draw on

01:23:13.820 --> 01:23:17.203
the ancient Roman, uh, name for London.

01:23:17.670 --> 01:23:20.521
So what's up over there, man? That's one of my favorite places in the world

01:23:21.021 --> 01:23:24.337
that I've never been to. I'm, I'm dying to get over there at some point.

01:23:24.645 --> 01:23:28.042
Um, I, I think I was from London in a past

01:23:28.542 --> 01:23:31.699
life. I, I love English bulldogs, my favorite

01:23:32.199 --> 01:23:35.671
dogs. The British Bulldogs are my favorite tag team of all time. I love

01:23:36.171 --> 01:23:39.512
rainy weather. I love the fog, uh, Big Ben.

01:23:40.974 --> 01:23:44.128
What about tea, Billy? We know you don't drink coffee. Do you at

01:23:44.628 --> 01:23:49.360
least drink tea? I don't drink tea. Unbelievable. I do like ginger

01:23:49.860 --> 01:23:52.920
lemon tea. I can drink that, but I need to drink

01:23:53.420 --> 01:23:56.820
it more often, so I will. Okay. Um, and anybody else that tuned in

01:23:57.078 --> 01:24:00.643
that we missed, my apologies. I, I am very, very Sorry.

01:24:00.852 --> 01:24:03.838
Um, but tune in to Guerrilla Underground, 7 PM Eastern tomorrow night.

01:24:04.673 --> 01:24:07.900
Uh, we're gonna talk about cognitive liberty, we're gonna talk about,

01:24:08.527 --> 01:24:11.738
um, mass surveillance, and of course Candace

01:24:12.238 --> 01:24:16.410
Owens and, uh, what's this buffoon's name? Andrew— Andrew

01:24:16.910 --> 01:24:19.991
whatever his name is. Uh, Andrew Wilson. And,

01:24:20.248 --> 01:24:23.780
and the debate along with Sebs. She will be joining us, at least— at

01:24:24.280 --> 01:24:26.703
least she's scheduled to join us. She wrote me the other day just to tell

01:24:27.203 --> 01:24:30.139
me she was gonna whoop my ass. Um, that was a couple of days ago,

01:24:30.155 --> 01:24:33.254
so I'm assuming she's still in. Uh, so let's see what develops.

01:24:33.350 --> 01:24:36.224
All right, let's get up out of here. Greetings and blessings to all of you.

01:24:36.320 --> 01:24:40.158
We appreciate you. 200 strong here, very nice. Like to see those numbers

01:24:40.658 --> 01:24:44.124
continue. They don't always stay that way, so thank you for everyone. Appreciate you.

01:24:44.188 --> 01:24:48.555
173 strong over on my X. I don't know what Elon Musk did to

01:24:48.924 --> 01:24:52.103
lift the ban that I have for temporary early, but I appreciate you guys.

01:24:52.520 --> 01:24:56.260
Tune into the Guerrilla Underground tomorrow, 1 PM Eastern, right here and over on

01:24:56.292 --> 01:24:59.935
YouTube as well. And of course, you can go over at Guerrilla Underground Podcast

01:24:59.983 --> 01:25:03.305
on Apple Podcast. You're gonna find it there too. Ashley, we love

01:25:03.353 --> 01:25:06.419
you. Thank you so much. You're fantastic. Um, of course, a de

01:25:06.919 --> 01:25:09.709
facto member of America Unplugged at this point, and she's going to be, uh,

01:25:10.254 --> 01:25:13.448
hosting a show with Tony Ardaburn. Um, good,

01:25:13.561 --> 01:25:17.075
good stuff all around. Big news coming for Guerrilla Underground and America Unplugged.

01:25:17.493 --> 01:25:20.757
In the coming months. So stay tuned. We love you all. Thank you for tuning

01:25:20.774 --> 01:25:23.330
in. We're gonna burn the place down. You want to burn it down, um,

01:25:23.507 --> 01:25:27.221
Ash? Let's burn it down. Let's burn it down. No music. We're still

01:25:27.721 --> 01:25:30.068
on the air. We're still on the air. We're still on the air. We're still

01:25:30.116 --> 01:25:30.260
on the air.