#240 America Unplugged -Lake of America and the New Tariff Showdown

0:01 Donald Jeffries, Donald Jeffries, author of Hidden History and Survival of the Richest, host of The Donald Jeffries Show. Billy Ray Valentine, Billy Ray Valentine, host of The Infinite Fringe podcast, researcher, truth seeker from the Bronx, New York. Tony Arterburn, Tony Arterburn, radio host, combat veteran, precious metals analyst, and alt historian. Together they take on the headlines of the week, decode the misinformation and plow through the mainstream propaganda, unauthorized, unscripted, and unintimidated. This is America Unplugged.

0:46 What is going on? How's everybody doing? My name is Billy Ray Valentine, the War on Reality Report. This is America Unplugged. Hope everybody is doing well. What's going on? Listen, I was gone for a bit. I was out, uh, vacationing, uh, over at the Lake of America. It was so dope to go over there, such a beautiful place. I, I want to invite my fellow America Unplugged co-host to go. We could— we should go on a boys trip. We've never been on a boys trip. We should go on a boys trip to the Lake of America and have some fun. I mean, come on, we can't get any more Americana than that. Tony Arterburn, the wisest of all the wolves, I know you've never been to the Lake of America because you would have told me about this. Already, you know. So we need to go, we need to go there.

1:29 I'm really disappointed because, uh, I had made the suggestion that we name it, uh, Lake Release the Epstein Files, and it just, it just fell flat. It didn't, didn't get any traction. I mean, it's a long title, but I thought it'd be worth it. Lake Release the Epstein Files is right off of Epstein Island, actually. That's, that's, that's where we're releasing that one. I mean, that's, that's the new, the new, uh, name for the body of water around Epstein Island. But, but, uh, Lake of America is, is right here. It's prime real estate, you know what I mean? I mean, nobody was using it before, no big deal, nobody cares, you know. So now everybody wants to go there, and I must tell you, I had a hell of a time. Mr. Jeffries, you did your fantasy football draft not too long ago.

2:13 Did you do it in front of the calm waters of the Lake of America, sir? No, we were nowhere near Lake America. That would have been cool, but, uh, no. Well, actually, it wasn't Lake America then. That was a few weeks ago, so, uh, it was in the days before Lake America. Yeah, this was Lake Ontario, so nobody was interested. Yeah, nobody wanted to go there. But, but the Lake of America, you know, we, we will be broadcasting live from the Lake of America on Halloween. It's going to be amazing. We're gonna, we're gonna do our thing over there. Let's, let's talk a little bit about that. We're going to talk a little bit about, uh, uh, the tariff war that's been sparked, you know, again. We're doing this again. Uh, it's— I, I don't know what the hell going on with the world today.

2:55 That's an Aerosmith song. Something wrong with the world today. Tony knows it. Yeah. Um, the War on Reality Report. Reality is getting crazier and crazier. What's up to everybody in the chat? Uh, everybody listening after the fact on the podcast. We sent an invitation to Ash. Ash might join us if she can. So let's get into it. Tony, what are you thinking? This is, this is nuts. I, I legit thought it was Um, I legit thought it was a spoof when I first saw it, man. Yeah, I, I really thought it was. And, and, and I waited because I got it through a text from someone, and then I was like, okay, this is bullshit, probably. So I was waiting for official reports, and then I'm like, oh my God, this is real. He's doing it again. And I understand he's trying to troll Canada as a result, but he signed an executive order, and, and now he's saying the big orange monster, the, the, the child-in-chief. He's saying that he's going to rename an ocean now because we've got a lake and we have a sea that he's already remained renamed.

4:00 So he's going to go ahead and rename an ocean to make— he doesn't know whether it would be the Pacific or the Atlantic, but the Ocean of America. Or, you know, you would think he would get more original with these things, like, you know uh, Lake de Trump or something like that, you know. But no, it's— he's— oh, he's keeping the America theme. It's America First. It's for you. It's for the people of the United States of America. Damn it. Here we go, Tony. I mean, my quality of life has already gone up since we, of course, uh, switched the name over significantly. You know, it is interesting, um, so many people give credence to The Simpsons for predicting the future, and, uh, then they do. They do. I mean, that is a weird synchronicities that The Simpsons have. We— I think we can acknowledge that. Um, but it was really South Park that got it right, right? You know, at the end of the day, it's South Park now that we're— this is how the world ends. Um, this— it's, it's our war with the, with the Canadians and, uh, the cataclysm. Armageddon, ladies and gentlemen, it's not, it's not in Israel. It's not the building of the Third Temple. It's tariffs here in our own continent. And, uh, I, I don't know. It's so much theater, Billy. You know, the entire structure of the New World Order was— is built on consolidating regional economies, and they do that through the Trojan horse of free trade agreements. And one of those things that they've been working on since, uh, the fall of the Berlin Wall was, was NAFTA, which is the North American Free Trade Agreement, the linkage of Canada, Mexico, and the United

5:30 States. And then in the mid-2000s, early 2000s, you had Condoleezza Rice, um, in Texas, I think at Baylor University, talking about, uh, the Amero and that linkage and the Trans-Texas Corridor, which was the giant tollway they were going to build from Mexico, uh, up through Texas all the way, you know, into through North America, uh, into Canada. So, you know, that is still a reality. So I'm not sure exactly what all of this is, if this is some sort of, um, creative destruction between the 2, uh, economies here that are stable. I mean, Mexico is not really a stable economy per se. It's, it's not, uh, it's not like a Mex— it's not like Canada has. Like, Canada has a, uh, a very robust, uh, agricultural dairy, uh, base.

6:23 That's why they have, they have tariffs up like 230% on dairy products. I don't know if you knew that. Like, it they, they preach free trade, but they don't really actually do that when it doesn't benefit them. And I think most nations are like that, like that. China took a, uh, something from our old playbook. Um, you know, we preach free trade, but on things that are threatening to their base economy, they have high tariffs, right? And Don's mentioned this many times. I mean, we're, we're bastardizing what economic nationalism looks like. I don't even support it anymore, which is Um, I spent 20 years studying it and thinking that it works, and, and I think in theory it does, but you can't do it in a buffoonish way. You have to actually protect something. You can't use tariffs as weapons. That's not how this works. I mean, it's just an extension of the weaponization of the dollar. So all of this going on really just makes us look bad. I mean, the— where do you go from here? I mean, at this point, and it's, it's temporary because we have the midterms coming up, and I assume we're about to be entering into a season of subpoenas and impeachment hearings and investigations, the likes of which we've probably never seen before, uh, that will go on for infinitum, uh, maybe past the next 2 years. So I, I don't know, Billy. It's, um, literally nothing makes sense economically or socially or anything that we're doing policy-wise Uh, bigger stories, you know, you have the, uh,

7:56 head of the CIA, John Ratcliffe, did us like a— I don't say not so secret because people know about it, but he flew to Moscow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, like there's stuff going on right now behind the scenes. I don't know if all of this is just filler, like, um, we're clogging up our feeds with, with bullshit at some level just so we'll be choked on the information. And then, you know, obviously we're talking about it. I, I don't think this has any strategic consequence other than hurting the outlook or, um, you know, the certainty aspect of markets. Uh, Trump certainly likes to take away all certainty of markets, which is how markets survive. So I don't know what to tell you. I mean, it's, it's, it's a mess, Tone. It's, it's a total mess. And, uh, I think, I think the mistake— well, maybe it's not a mistake, but I, I think what we do here in the alt media— well, not that we're that anymore, but you know what I'm trying to talk about, the people in the bubble that we're in, right? Uh, which we seek for explanations for all of this, right? And, and we look for the deeper meaning and, and the, the super, uh, underlined reasons for things that are going on. And so we're trying to find a legit logical explanation for some of these things.

9:11 And I, I think— and I, I stop at, at, at the most obvious one— these people are freaking nuts. And they're completely incompetent and they have no idea what they're doing and they're driven by lies and they're driven by misinformation and disinformation. And this is why they're doing what they're doing, you know, um, in my opinion, you know, um, so, so there is that. Also, you mentioned Ratcliffe going over to Moscow and, and they keep saying, oh, it's a secret meeting, a secret meeting, a secret— dude, there are— there is footage of the plane landing. Like, how secret was this, you know? So it's like everybody's reading a script. Secret meeting. It's a secret, the secret, a secret, um, voyage to Moscow. No, there was nothing secret about it.

9:52 Zero, right? And we can talk a little bit more about that, but I want to get, um, Don's, uh, perspective on the Lake of America and the tariffs, uh, with, with, uh, Canada. And Canada has retaliated. I am sorry to all my Canadian, uh, brothers and sisters I mean, this probably will affect us just as bad, if not worse, you know. Um, so I mean, sorry for everyone here that we have to deal with this nonsense, uh, but, uh, but here we are. What's up, Don? Yeah, well, I think as Tony kind of alluded to, you know, I, I, I was, uh, I was excited. Uh, one of the many things I liked about Trump when he first started running was that he talked about the terrible trade deals and he talked protectionism.

10:38 I'm a protectionist, or I thought I was, uh, but he's doing it ass backwards. As you said, you know, he's— you have to bring industry back first, then you can explore tariffs. But he did it backwards. He's going tariffs first, industries— it's like, you know, the Lewis Carroll from Alice in Wonderland, you know, uh, uh, you call it, uh, sentence first, verdict afterwards. That's exactly what he's doing. He's, you know, terrorists are— so the tariffs are nonsensical, and you get people arguing over it. It's senseless. What happened to industry? Where are the factories? What happened to, you know, to the 100% tax on all the firms that, that went offshore and to force them back? He's done nothing like that. But you'll have his, his people say, no, he's building a factory here. I, I don't see anything. I don't know what he's talking about. Go try to find a factory job in America. They don't exist. Maybe you can go to, you know, Mexico or somewhere, wherever they built their factories, make $10 a day or something. But, uh, so it's horrible. But I think, you know, when you look at The, the Lake of America thing is the latest, uh, nonsensical thing he's done. If you look at all these crazy things Trump is doing, which are nothing that he ran on and don't serve any purpose at all, they're just distraction. And, you know, like, like putting all the gold in the White House, that kind of stuff, the painting the reflection pool, these things that right or left just are scratching their heads. It makes no sense.

11:58 So I'm convinced now that'll be the Democrats' main theme when they run the next time, they're going to clean up Trump's mess. And they're— and the mess will be getting the reflecting pool back to normal, taking all the gold off the walls in the White House, renaming the Gulf of Mexico and Lake Ontario, all the ridiculous stuff he did, which is all pointless. It's kind of busy work for them or whatever. But I, I can't pretend to know anything he's doing now. Uh, it, it, it's nothing he does makes any sense. And so, you know, if he, if he lucks into saying something right or doing something right, I'll be shocked at this point. But, uh, He's running out of time. But if you get the meter, and I'm on X all the time now, if you get the people that are so loyal to him, they are living in a different world. And, you know, they, they, they, they believe that he's accomplishing all these great things. And again, they get excited about the H-1B visa program, which I've been talking about for years. I, I was kind of victimized by it, you know, back in 2018. That's— and it was, it was well before that.

12:57 And so this is old news. Trump ran on it in 2016. It's senseless. We, you know, Americans should be doing these jobs. We got to abolish it. And of course he got into office and increased the number of visa workers. It's incredibly stupid. And it's a slight— as we know, they're now— and they're acting like this is new. I was talking and writing about this years ago. You have people at 7-Eleven that are visa workers, as if that's a skilled position, that Americans can't be cashiers at a store. And tons of examples of stuff like that. Those are the jobs Americans won't do according to the right. So they're acting like this is a new scandal. I, I don't think Trump will do it. They're doing allegedly something, but until they abolish the pardon, I won't believe it. So Trump is— what did Alex Jones used to say? All hat and no cattle. He just epitomizes that.

13:46 Yeah. Ashley, what are your thoughts? Uh, I know that you're planning a trip to the Lake of America soon. You got some merch? Yes, we're gonna be— well, you know, actually the merch is sponsored by Wise Wolf Studios, so we're going to be getting our website up and rolling, so make sure you do that. We're going to be actually, you know, Billy— I don't really appreciate Billy talking about a guy's trip, okay? We need to be more inclusive. So this is going to be for our bachelorettes. That's who we're going to really focus on, try to catch that market with the vacation scene up there. That's, uh, that's an interesting, uh, angle. I hadn't thought about that. Um, there's so many possibilities now. We We had, you know, we were facing an energy crisis, a currency crisis, a foreign policy crisis, a crisis of government, a constitutional crisis, um, all these crises. But now that they've renamed the lake, I mean, I just feel good, you know.

14:42 I don't think anything's wrong anymore. America's back. And that's how you fix tariffs. I mean, that's how you fix economic trade, right? You, you just rename things. I did, I did want to chime in on that, that this is creating— and I guess it may be very obvious, but there are companies that employ a lot of people in the United States and they also employ a lot of people in Canada, and sometimes they have to go back and forth. Like, in my wheelhouse of what I know in manufacturing, like in the paper industry for example, is that they have some paper manufacturing in Canada, some paper manufacturing in the United States, and they will sell to each other within plants. So this is going to be putting the squeeze on not only companies that are international that are working in both, but also the actual people who work here, right? Like, their plants, their profit margins are going to be shrinking because of these tariffs if this actually ends up going through. So, and, and I think the meme idea of this really is— and you have mentioned this earlier, Tony— but it's like distracting from the fact that this, if this actually goes through, this is a really serious problem for regular people here in the United States. This isn't just like a 50% export tax on maple syrup, you know? Yeah. Well, I, you know, the, the Canadians, I worked with the Canadian military and I have to, my hat's off to them. They once saved me, um, not just from embarrassment, possibly getting blown up, but, um,

16:15 you know, we, now that this was like, uh, 2002, so this is before there was a moratorium internationally on cluster bombs. And I was in Afghanistan and we had dropped a lot of cluster bombs. Uh, they were littered everywhere and we got off, uh, off course. We were driving, making— that's what you do when you go to the most heavily mined country in the world. You make new roads and maps. I don't know if you knew that actually, but that was one of the things I had to do was go, go, go explore because you definitely want to drive around in the most heavily mined country in the world. And we found some, uh, fields of, um, you know, these little yellow pipe looking— those are unexploded ordnance. Those are cluster bombs. And, uh, I remember the sergeant I had at the time freaked out, stopped the vehicles.

16:57 We ended up having to call the Canadians, and the Canadian commander— they took it like 3 hours. They finally came down in this big armored vehicle, and the guy got out and looked around, and he did the same thing I said, which was just drive out or back up, you know. And he just basically said, you just want to back up. And I thought, well, it took the Canadians, uh, it took their rationality Uh, and their professionalism. And I, I think about that, and they built great facilities too. Like, uh, they actually had working showers. Uh, they were a lot more cleanly than, uh, a lot of the American grunts and stuff. I, I appreciated— they had good meals. You could sneak over, maybe get something from the, from the Canadians. So I always appreciated them. Uh, and that kind of reminds me, I guess we're gonna— they're gonna have to be the adult at this point again in my life. I'm gonna have to see that on an international scale.

17:51 All right, I missed it. You got your headphones back on? Yes, can you hear me? I hear you fine. All right, beautiful, beautiful. Sorry about that, I had to take off for a second. Uh, Ashley's here, and I know you guys already know that because she was talking and doing her thing. Ashley, thank you for joining us today. It was always nice to have your perspective. Um, did we wrap up the Lake of America talk? Are we done with that? Did you guys move on? What did you guys do? Yeah, I mean, we determined that they will find a flying saucer at the bottom of Lake America. That will be the next talking point. It will— there's some— there will be an anomaly found on a scan, and we're gonna have to get to the, to the bottom of the lake. Fantastic. Other than that, I think we're good. Well, it's a big problem.

18:35 Um, uh, let's see if, uh, if we do find UFOs down there to make it even worse, right? Um, Who knows, there will be, uh, aliens of America. We're going to rename them. We have to deport them like Milo. What's up? We'll have to deport them just like Milo if we find any illegal extraterrestrial alien, you know. Then we'll have to, we'll have to, you know, look to India to import some kind of visa workers to find the UFO because Americans can't do that. They're not skilled. We'll have to insource it, Don. We do insourcing, not just outsourcing. Remember that. Here's the thing about that, you know, and I know that that's the, the, the the cool thing amongst the quote-unquote conservative circles. I'm not calling it actual conservatism, but, you know, what's going on now, you know. And, uh, and MAGA is, you know, to harp on H-1B visas and all this other stuff. Like, uh, um, in reality, this is a good thing for the United States.

19:29 We, we need to continue to, to bring in the best talent from all over the world. Um, because if we don't do it, they're gonna do it. And you know, we don't have opportunities for our own citizens. I was saying, when you're gone, we don't. I mean, young people tell me all the time. I mean, you might not see it, but I don't see it because I'm old, really old. But I mean, you have, uh, people that are— the visa worker program has been abused, and the Republicans are acting like this is new news. I was talking about this a decade ago. They've abused the process. They use— 7-Eleven cashiers are visa workers sometimes, as if Americans aren't skilled enough to be cashiers. They have tons of examples of that, of working in stores, crappy jobs that Americans wouldn't want necessarily, but they hire visa workers for that. It's not— I saw in IT, I worked with tons of Indians and tons of them, and I don't have a real high opinion of American workers, you know. I have nobody badmouth America more than I do. But the Indians are not more skilled at IT.

20:32 That's BS. Yo, it's ridiculous. I saw it firsthand. This is what is done. This is what is done to us, right? This is a perfect example of what's been— of what's happening to Americans. Yeah. Um, H-1B workers are not— but this is a generalization here. That we're making, right? That they're not— that they're better than— nobody said they were better than Americans, that we're only bringing in people from, from India. If there are exceptional people over there that are doing great things in whatever their field is and we bring them over here, it is a net benefit for America.

21:17 Because if we don't do it, China will. China is— they're all— China won't do it. They're kind of harsh Chinese. Okay, you can continue to believe that until you— it manifests, because people need to see it to believe it, right? Because China has already jumped all over a lot of the USAID stuff that was cut off by, by this administration on, on the same basis of stuff. Oh no, we don't need this, we don't need to be doing this, we don't need to be doing that. China has already moved in there. We'll do it, we'll do it, you know. So, um, that's, that's what— and, and a lot of this stuff is like, oh well, we, we don't want these people in here, they're, they're brown and they, they don't assimilate to American culture and all of that stuff. It's a bunch of nonsense. There is, there is room for everyone. If there are exceptional Americans that are doing the job, they'll get the job. Is, is it a problem? Um, are there areas where this can be fixed? Absolutely. You're right, there are definitely areas— was there some type of corruption in it? Probably, right? Can we, can we fix the prop— the, the program? Absolutely. Do we do away with the program because we don't want brown people here? No, no, it's a problem. We want these people here. We don't want them in other countries.

22:33 That's how we continue to be America first. But, you know, don't, don't listen to me, right? It's going to happen. When we continue to cut these things off, when we continue to isolate ourselves from the world stage, you will see how it affects your pockets. You will see how it affects American quote-unquote exceptionalism. You can nod your head all you want, but it is the truth. I was there. I was there 50 years ago. That happened, and I am here now. No, but I was there 50 years ago. I saw the workforce before the ancient people made more money. They had better benefits before all the immigration. It affected wages. I saw it myself.

23:15 You would not believe the benefits we had as blue-collar workers back then. And I think that's probably a moot point. Like, we're not slowing down any of this. I mean, the legal naturalization process of our immigration policy is unprecedented in American history. I mean, since— again, since the end of the Soviet Union, even before that with the Immigration Act of 1965, we opened the floodgates, and it's, it's not even on par statistically remotely like the great waves of immigration that we had at the beginning of the 20th century. What— that's where you got the term like melting pot, which was mainly Eurocentric. We're talking about at least a million a year, uh, just in legal immigration. Um, and even the, the new head of the Department of Homeland Security was, was touting that. I mean, he was just interviewed and Regardless of what you see with the, the ICE raids, which I think are a lot of a psychological operation too, and there's something weird about that, or maybe there's a precedence being set for internal policing or federalized police or something like that, it has very little to do with immigration in my opinion because the numbers and the statistics don't change, right? I think you can go and look at the, the website NumbersUSA, which is like, it's just a scientific look. They do immigration using the scale looking at a jar of gumballs.

24:35 And if you actually go look at that video and like just understand like how massive immigration already is in the United States, that it's not even on— it's again, it's not on par even with where we— what numbers we were bringing in, um, you know, 100 years ago. So I think it's probably a moot point. There's always— even if there is a lull, there will be another explosion. This is the where America's been placed in the global economy. And we, we've, we've been slotted for that. And so I ideologically, I think we should have, uh, especially with wages being stagnant the way they have been the past 30 and 40 years, especially the last 10, it would behoove us not to do that to, um, to American-born citizens.

25:22 We, we'd have to keep the trickle of a new population we need to slow that. I do think best and brightest— and Billy, you bring up a point— like scientists, engineers, architects, all those type of things, people that can help build, or people that are in the tech industry. Okay, I'm not opposed to that, um, just, just off of sheer, you know, economic strength and other things. But it has to be, um, someone who is coming here to build something, right? And I, I don't— yeah, and I think if you look at the actual statistics and numbers from where we are, you know, immigration post-1990, it's not really focusing on that. The H-1Bs, as we saw with Disney, you know, Disney imported their own workers and had the people that were the Americans that were there train their own replacements, which is like in a Darwinian, like, weird humiliation ritual. No, it isn't.

26:15 And speaking of that, when I was at my fantasy football draft, I, you know, I still see some of these guys I used to work with in IT. One of the guys is in his mid to late 50s, and he told me they're being laid off. They're laying off the rest of them, and they're going to have to train their replacements who will be from India. Now, that guy's been there 30 years. There's no way somebody from India is coming in and going to do his job any better than he's doing it, but he'll do it cheaper. And that's the point. They— this is all about cheap labor. It's not about brown people or anything else. They want cheap labor. Every one of those visa workers— and again, I worked a I saw hundreds of these people over the years when I was in IT. I never saw anyone that I said, you know, that guy's doing something that we had to have him here because no American can do it.

26:57 No Americans in this data center can do it. Never saw it. Maybe they exist. I don't know where they're at. But I do know what they saw— they would come in and cheaper. So when they laid off all the American workers at my data center and all the other data centers across the United States Uh, when they did that, they hired them for the new workers from India at half the price. Plus they don't have the same benefits. They're willing to do that, but that's the problem. It's the same reason at the bottom of the industry, cutting your grass or doing your roof or all this stuff, and the people come from Mexico. You know, I tell people that you think we didn't used to do that? You think before we had immigrants, well, who's going to cut the grass? Who do you think cut the grass before? Who worked on the roofs before? Just that they, they— maybe not the grass because it used to be teenagers, but construction. Construction workers used to make good money. I knew lots of people that did that. They were well paid. It was hard work. It's not the same now. It's lowered wages and it's like— but people say, oh yeah, you're just prejudiced against immigrants. No, they're being exploited. And maybe their standards of living is going up a little bit, but our standard of living is falling and we don't need it. We can't provide for our own kind. Half of America makes less than $28,000 a year. Half. It has less than 1% of the collective wealth, and you want to bring in people from other countries to get some of the few jobs that Americans are denied? There are no opportunities.

28:18 Talk to some— I don't know if any are in the chatter. I hear from people all the time not being able to find jobs, good jobs. It's all crap out there. There's no future. There are no careers except for that top 20%. So they're bringing over people who maybe this looks good to them. But it doesn't look good to people. As Ross Perot said in 1992, we're going to be the first generation whose children have a lower standard of living than we do. And our children, they have children, their, their children will have a lower standard of living. That's not the way it's supposed to work. Until that point, every generation had a better standard of living than their parents, and that's something really wrong with that. So I'm gonna throw it to Ashley in a sec. So a perfect example of, uh, of what's going on here is your, your 7-Eleven theory, right? They're working cashier jobs at 7-Eleven. It's, you know, it's— this is largely overblown, all right? If, if there are any of those workers brought in, they're working in corporate for the most part, right? So is there an instance where maybe that's a thing? Probably. And they take it and blow it up like it's a huge thing.

29:26 This is what this is about. This is what this is about. So when we talk about these things, we really need to— maybe we'll take a whole episode and break down— we can break down the statistics and all of that and talk about it honestly. But we can't go to outrage porn where it's like, oh look, they're taking the cashier jobs, because it's simply not true in scale. Can you find an instance in which this is the case, what Donna says, yes, you can. I'm almost positive you can. But scale-wise, is it really what's going on? No, it's not. And to Tony's point, we do need people here that are going to build things. And our— has it been abused to a point? I believe it has. We need to fix that, right? We need to fix that. But that doesn't mean that there aren't people here that are coming to build things, because all of our ancestors Unless you're a Native American, and you know what type of Native American I'm talking about. All of our ancestors came here to build something. They came here for a better life.

30:32 Everyone is from somewhere else. I think I'm American. You're American because you're— somebody came here maybe, you know, um, years and years and years ago. Regardless of that, they came from somewhere else. That tradition continues. Of course, we need to be selective about who comes into the country, right? We need to be a little bit more strict about that stuff. Biden did no favors for anyone, right, trying to advocate for immigration here. But when we cut ourselves off to the rest of the world, it is a problem. And that is what is being advocated by Don. That is what's being advocated by Jeff Rance. And all of these people. And they're not doing it because it's like, oh, it's cheap labor. Don is— I know Don, right? And he wrote Survival of the Richest. I don't think Don has a racist bone in his body, personally, right?

31:30 But they're not doing it because of that. You go over to Jeff Renz, they don't want these people here. They're white freaking nationalists. I don't know why you continue to do that show, Don. Personally, but they don't want these people here. And that is the overarching, um, uh, thing that binds everything together. It's not, oh my God, these people are being exploited here in the United States. That is nonsense. These people— not— it's not nonsense, it's a real thing. But the fact that people don't want these people here because they're being exploited is nonsense. Okay, in the beginning of the Trump administration, so many of these people got deported. How many, how many Americans went and did the field jobs that the Mexicans were doing? All we saw was, was footage of, of the fields empty and people trying to figure out how they were going to staff their jobs. How many Americans went over there and did that? It's a different situation here.

32:27 I'm not saying it's a good one, but what's the solution, right? And that's it. Let's not kid ourselves by saying, oh, it's that, oh, they're being— so many of these Americans, of these people, these immigrants are being exploited. And we want what's best for them. No, it's not what it is. It's a change of demographic that, that keeps getting talked about. It's the Great Replacement that keeps getting talked about, and that has nothing to do with exploitation of these people, is we don't want them here. Let's be intellectually honest about the arguments that we're making. Ashley, what's up? This is not an area that I'm super well-versed in. One of the things that I would say that I find interesting to juxtapose against bringing people in is during the Clinton era.

33:17 Once again, I'll take it back to manufacturing, and I'm not an expert on that either, but this was one of the things that we had. Um, and I talked to Don about this this week, the, the fact that you used to be able to work a blue-collar job like in the furniture factory and provide for your family. So overall, that's just a huge change that has happened from that time until now. But this was a time when I knew so many people that were making their living in furniture factories. And then all of a sudden you have the dreaded mass layoff. And then it seemed to move in cycles where you would, you know, they would be hiring some people back and then there would be mass layoffs. And this— people dreaded this because they needed the money.

33:59 And of course there's like a lot of, uh, strict rules and guidelines when you're on unemployment in order to try to find something else, but you also have the pressure of time So there was a huge effort to export manufacturing jobs, like high-quality, uh, good-paying manufacturing jobs here in the United States as well. And, you know, I'm not saying that that necessarily is exactly what we're talking about here. I just find it an interesting juxtaposition against what we're talking about now and what happened then, you know. But as far as that goes, the H-1B Uh, that is not really something that I've spent a lot of time studying, right? Well, it's a 2-front problem too, because you got the loss of, of living wage jobs. I think that's probably a term you might be looking for there, living wage. If you go back, you know, 1950s, 1960s, um, where it started to really decline in the '70s, it was the opening of our markets in a way that was departed from American strategy and tradition from the founding of the country. The 2nd act out of Congress was the Tariff Act. This was an economic nationalist country, and that we were the manufacturing marvel of mankind. You call it the arsenal of democracy. You can go back and look at that. I mean, the— what we made in both world wars, and, uh, you know, how much wealth we had at the end of those wars, uh, because we stayed out of them the longest of any major power, and that we'd made things. It's not just that. There is the issue with the currency, the, you know, the debasement of the currency

35:33 through taking us off the gold standard and the loss of purchasing power, those jobs leaving, plus the fact that the jobs that remain in a consumption economy, you're now in competition with, as Don has pointed out, I mean, someone that can do the same job just for less. And that is the threat, or at least the philosophy of why you would have an H-1B visa. So it is, it's a, it's entangled in a lot of different issues that are facing this country, which is a single, which is a singular problem just for the United States of America. It's like this isn't really happening. Uh, maybe Europe is closer to what we have than any other, you know, what, you know, industrialized nation around the world.

36:19 Um, most other nations like India is for the Indians, you know, China's for the Chinese. And, you know, we're a different kind of country, as Billy pointed out. I mean, it's— there is a good argument for a, a nation of immigrants. The issue is it has to have a centralized culture of some kind. Exactly. And if that is being— if the accelerating point to which we're, um, if you go look at— there was a, there was a great book written in, uh, I think it's the late '90s, Don, you would know this, called Bowling Alone. The guy did like a lot of searches for how communities work when there's, there's more diversity. You, you, like, LA was considered like the rudest city in America, and because it was the most diverse people, that's just the way things work. Like, if you go to Japan, uh, you know, you know, Charlie Robinson recently went to Japan, I think it was last year, and talked about how clean it was and like how people just work differently. There's a different sort of collective, uh, culture and I'm all about, like, I, I, I travel a lot and I appreciate the other cultures and the food and other things like that. I mean, so I don't want a white nationalist country, just so we're clear. Like, that would be, that would be really boring. Like, I would, it would just not something I would advocate. I think that's, that's a low IQ thing.

37:38 Um, but we, it has to be some sort of semblance of, of order to things. Well, you, you have to, you have to have, you have to have some kind of foundational principles to have a culture. We don't have a culture now because we have so many different clashing cultures. We have basically a ghetto culture. I write about that all the time because we've all adopted ghetto culture, and that's, it's become mainstream culture now. It's, it's low-class culture. And, you know, we revel in not speaking English correctly. We revel in doing stupid things for clicks and making dumb videos. That's what we do. So it's, and this, yeah, most most of my concern is because of, uh, if, if immigrants, if they were purple and from another planet or something, if they all came here and somehow they elevated pay and made things better for everyone, then I would be proud. But the problem is they, regardless, they're not coming in it like they're not in— they're not being asked not to. They're not purposely saying, I'm not going to assimilate.

38:38 The government, for odd reasons, made it possible for them to do so. So It wasn't illegal immigrants that put up signs all over Florida and Texas in Spanish and put— and they had bilingual ballots and all that. English as a second language in schools, things we never saw before. That was done for a reason. Why? Because they want to divide us. And if you have a group of people not speaking the same language especially, and if you have huge cultural issues— now with Muslims, I don't— you know, a lot of that is Zionist propaganda. But in, in some— I think recently, didn't they pass, uh, Tony might know that It was a, uh, I think a local legislature or something that passed a law allowing animal sacrifice because that was their religion. You have those kind of clashing things that don't, you know, that we can't possibly equate with what we know.

39:27 And you had that, of course, a couple years ago in the stories about the Haitian immigrants eating dogs and cats supposedly and all that stuff going on. But because the cultures do different things. I, I worked with people from Haiti and Trinidad. I mean, they believe in zombies and it's cool to talk to them. But, you know, it's— those are the kind of things that you have to have some foundational principles. And you, even if you take away all the immigrants, because we're so divided left and right, we have no foundational principles among white Americans now. There's no— not everybody believes in God. Tons of people don't believe it. Not everybody believes— understands when life begins. All lives matter. All these— we, we have great moral issues we don't agree on. So when you throw people in that purposely are— they're not— they don't want them speaking the same language because again, it's easier to divide and conquer that way. This is all about— it goes back to the 1965 Act somebody mentioned in the, uh, the chat, where there was 1965 Immigration Act, which until 1965, all immigration, 90-plus percent legally, had to come from Europe. They flipped it 180 degrees and said from that point on, 90-plus come from other areas, other than Europe. Now you tell me why a bunch of white men decided to do that. There wasn't some kind of conspiratorial explanation. That made no sense. They weren't getting pressure from anybody to do that. So you can see the cultural ramifications and you can see the economic ramifications because, you know, immigration is just one part of it. But, um, Ashley mentioned the outsourcing, and then all this kind of goes together. It all happened at the same time. We— there's

41:00 a deindustrialization of America. There's a massive influx of legal and illegal immigration and visa workers, all that stuff, to compete with Americans for fewer and fewer good jobs. There's no future in any of these things. People don't get pay raises anymore. I used to get 2 raises a year as a blue-collar worker. Nobody does that anymore. I had tons of benefits and I was low class, but they don't have it now. They don't have it in better jobs. I had a private pension. People used to all have that. Now everybody has to live on Social Security. All that's been eliminated. It's not just because of immigration, but that fits right in with it, with the outsourcing and the deindustrialization, the visa workers, the CEO salaries that are, you know, these, these, uh, bonuses that I wrote about in Survival of the Richest, where they get tax-free bonuses, they're not even taxed on it, which were unheard of before probably the 1980s.

41:54 So it's all together the same kind of things, but adds up to a huge mess. And I, I can, I cannot look at any of this stuff and agree with it because it's all wrong and it's all contributed to the situation we're in. Well, according to the National Bureau of Economic Research, and we've done this before but we will do it again because it bears repeating, right? Uh, immigrants own roughly 20, 21% to 24% of all businesses in the United States. Overall rates, immigrants are about 60% more likely to start businesses than U.S.-born citizens. Um, and, uh, higher growth in tech. Immigrants and their children founded over, over 40% of Fortune 500 companies, you know, here in the United States. Listen, there is a contribution that is being given that is, uh, uh, undermined by this information war, by, by this rage porn and fear porn that's been fed to us.

42:55 By all of these people that want us to act in a particular way and be at each other's throats. Okay, there is a contribution being made here. Everybody wants to talk about the bad stuff, and to say that there is no American culture is laughable to me. Okay, first of all, um, I am the son of, of an immigrant. My father's Puerto Rican. My father has 2 jobs. My mother has 2 jobs. I currently have 2 jobs, 2, and I'm trying to add a third, right? I'm trying to get to work. We, we're doing our thing here. To say that we don't contribute is a, uh, first off, it's, it's false. I, I never said anything like that at all. It's largely offensive. It's offensive to say that we don't contribute here. I never said anything like that at all.

43:48 And, and, but this is the overall arching thing that goes on. And somebody asked if I listen to Jeff. Yes, unfortunately I listen to Jeff Rentsch. He is a white nationalist, brother. Go listen. If, if you don't think he's a white nationalist, then you're not listening. He's a white nationalist. The guy has a freaking problem. And I've been listening to that guy for years. He has a huge audience and he never— he lets me say whatever I want. He treats me well. I don't know. And he also has Nazis on there, doesn't he? Doesn't he? I think he has— he doesn't have who he wants. He has Nazis on there. He's allowed to have who he wants. Okay, all right, he's allowed to have Nazis, but he has Nazis is the point. Okay, I, I don't care. I'm not saying that you do care. Matter of fact, he has Nazis on there regardless. Um, so stepping away from this on, on, on the basis of, of, uh, other people coming from other countries of different cultures, stepping away from the benefits that it brings in is a giant problem for the United States of America if you want to keep keep your, uh, style, your, um, your style of life, if you, if you want to keep that the way it is, it's, it's a big problem. And a lot of this stuff that we're mentioning here, the, the, the, the outsourcing and the, the money issues, we have to take into account what AI is doing to all of this, you know. And, and that's another thing, like, they keep telling us, what's the immigrants, the immigrants, the immigrants? No, but it's AI.

45:13 That's what's ultimately going to hurt the, the, the world, the population in general. They're— who's going to have jobs when AI has taken all the jobs? And that is the real threat. And I talk about that too, but you're talking about the immigrants that own businesses and stuff, 20-something. Again, what are they paying? Are they doing any better than the American business? Workers are not making as much money. That's the main issue I'm talking about. So if, if immigration was bestowing us with blessings and people are making even what they used to make. In today's dollars, what should the minimum wage be? $30 an hour or something if you go to 1960, 1970s money, something like that, $25, $30. Obviously, it's not the case. So, and financially speak, economically, it has not been a boom for 80% of the people or more, the people that live paycheck to paycheck, that don't have $500 in savings in the bank. So, I'm throwing that all in together because it all works together if The up— the upside, the immigration, and you, you're working 2 jobs, your parents working 2 jobs. I don't— is that what we should be striving? George W. Bush interviewed that woman and said, only in America, like he thought it was a great thing. I don't think it's a great thing that people should have to work 2 jobs. Should be able to live off of one job. I don't think it's a great thing either, but we're painted as lazy and that we don't contribute anything into the, into the country. Oh, nobody's— absolutely, absolutely. Let's not, let's not mince words.

46:30 We, we are painted as lazy. And that we don't contribute anything to the country and we shouldn't be here. Okay, and that's what— that's the point I was trying to make. Regardless of that, um, I, I— and I'm not saying you guys are making that point. I'm saying in general here, this is what's going on. So the point I'm trying to make is there is, um, um, a benefit to having immigrants in this country. Everyone here at one point or another came from an immigrant that came to this country. That's just the way it is. Whether you wanted to admit it to yourself or not, I don't know. I don't know what to do about that. And to say that there's no American culture and American culture is hood and ghetto, I don't understand that, okay? There's certainly an American culture, and it was made up by all the other cultures that came here, and it melted together. Some people don't want to admit that to themselves.

47:19 Some people don't like that. That's not my problem, okay? This is what happened. And, and America's biggest export is their culture. Go around the world, people like American music, American sports, American food. It's our culture. That's the— so to say that America doesn't have a culture is also wrong, in my opinion. Okay, we don't have a lot of time. Actually, I'm going to give you— what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up? Well, I think it was Oscar Wilde that said that, uh, America It's the— oh, it's the only, uh, uh, nation that went from barbarism to decadence with no civilization in between. Uh, we, we, yeah, we, we made, we made some sort of leap there.

48:02 Um, but my favorite snapshot of, of immigration in America, or modern immigration, is the rooftop Koreans from the 1992 riots. Uh, Mr. Anderson got me a t-shirt as a gift with that picture. That's a great iconic picture of them all up on, on their rooftop of the liquor store with shotguns protecting their property. Uh, I appreciate that. And I think a lot of these arguments are just— they devolve because we're not really talking about the same thing, or the, the modern narrative can get really stupid. So I appreciate, you know, I think it's a good something to lay out. I've become less interested in it as time goes on. I'm more interested in, can we preserve the Bill of Rights? Do we have any sort of semblance of a free economy? Is a way to curtail corruption inside of those who, you know, the halls of government?

48:49 Is there even possible anymore? What sort of country are we at this point? These are like existential questions because policy certainly is almost masturbatory that we even go over it anymore. I don't know if it's— policy can even be affected. Hell, we need a robust, uh, workforce to install all the flock cameras, okay? We're going to need— we're going to need people working around the clock to get all these flock cameras up so we can be surveilled in our police state dystopia. Ashley, go ahead. Yeah, I think that, um, you know, it has been an interesting conversation and food for thought. And I do think that it kind of depends on your area. Like, I live in North Carolina, so there's a huge merging of Mexican culture with, like, you know, other cultures here in North Carolina. Um, you know, we have a lot of white people, a lot of Black people, and a lot of Mexicans. And that seems to work really well here. Um, and, and I feel like people, for the most part, I think they get along, you know. Um, but I do think that the, the conversation has been interesting, and I, I do agree with Tony that there's a lot of other— and all of you— that the points have been made that there's a lot of other factors that are contributing to this. And overall, the, the thing that I have been trying to be the most mindful of lately is beware the division narrative, because that is what I think— that we get into hyperbole, especially online, and that can drive

50:19 us to think like— to be hyperbolic in our thinking or very black and white in our thinking. And I think that that contributes to the division with all of us. And I think that that is the main thing that they don't want. They don't want us being on the same page about things. And it's not just immigration, it's about every single issue that you can possibly imagine in this information war that people are being divided over and are, um, you know, really getting kind of mentally put into these far groups based on whatever it is. So, uh, whether that's like what we had talked about, uh, last week, you know, with Lindsay Clancy— everybody has an opinion on that case. And everybody has an opinion on every single thing. And I think that that's because we're constantly being fed propaganda from the algorithm in order to really facilitate that division.

51:15 But then back to what Donnie's saying, like, ultimately, well, I think we have a real American crisis, and especially with the whatever is happening in the Middle East. And I learned this week they want to be called something else, like the, the P— the PC thing is not to call it the Middle East anymore, but, um, the Gulf States, whatever is happening there. And if we potentially are headed off an energy cliff, then that is a problem. Like, that's one of the biggest problems. And I feel like a lot of people are just like, whatever, I don't care about Iran. And I— so I'm just like, keep your eye on the ball. But it's hard to do that.

51:57 Yeah, absolutely. I think you're 100% right. Um, and, and that is what we've tried to highlight here on America Unplugged. And sometimes we get, uh, you know, caught up in the minutia of things like things like this. But overall, it's, it's all manipulation. It's— they're trying to get us at— and it's at every issue, like, like Ashley said, man. And, and check your algorithm, check where you get your news, because that's the first, the first, uh, part of this. Like, at a very basic level, if you're getting your news from a place like rents.com and you're not spreading out anywhere else, you got a problem. You got a problem. Look at— all right, my guy here, uh, uh, Flat— what is it, Flatlander? I think it's Flatlander508888. He says, I'd rather listen to Rents than BRV anytime. No problem, brother, right? It's fine with me. Uh, never heard any Nazi on the show. All right, brother, um, I, I don't know what you've been listening to. For all of these years. But, uh, David Duke, Don Black, uh, you know, to say the least, uh, tell me what they are.

53:01 And, and then, uh, how many Holocaust deniers have they had on there? I mean, it's, it's, it's normal to tune in at any time and hear them talking about Holocaust denial, okay? It's normal at any times and to hear them talking about the Jews, the Jews, the Jews, the Jews, the Jews. And one more thing, the Jews. All right, so anyway, go ahead. Well, you, you can hear that on most of alt media now. Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson, they're, they're saying it in a more polite way. But again, Holocaust denial is, is just a, a way of saying World War II, uh, revisionism, and we ought to be able to question everything. So I don't, I don't— and I think that's why Rents— is Rents more concerned with about that than I would be, and to exclusion of others? Yeah, maybe so. But, and David Duke I gotta tell you, David Duke is apparently a fan of mine, so his people have been trying to contact me. So, uh, you know, but I don't think David Duke's a Nazi, you know. He's, uh, you know, I don't know what he is. Well, he was a lot, but so was Robert Byrd, so was Hugo Black on the Supreme Court. And, uh, you know, they overcame that from the fact that he was, and he's on Jeff Renz. That's my point. He continues to think these things. What he's saying now, what he was saying back in the '80s and '90s That's what everybody in the alt media is saying now. They're, they're not saying anything— David Duke didn't say anything different than what they're saying.

54:24 And that's why, that's why I'm out. That, that what you just said right there, that's why I am out. Want nothing to do with that. Never want anything to do with that. Never wanted anything to do with that. I'm out. I don't, I don't want— I, I want to have real conversations about real issues that don't involve hate, I'm out. So I don't want that. I want you to be out, Don. You're my boy. I don't want you to be on Jeff Rents. I listen to you on Jeff Rents. Yeah, whenever I can on Mondays, you know. And, and I'd rather pull you out of there because that's a pit of vipers. It's, it's— and it's just shit radio, to be honest. Um, all right, Tony Arterburn, the wisest of all the wolves. What's up, Ashley? Hang out with me for a little bit while I, while I shout everybody out. Cool. Bringing the heat today, young man.

55:15 You know, I've been gone for a bit and, and I rejuvenated at the Lake of America, you know. So when I came here, I'm like, I'm ready to go. What's up, buddy? The healing waters of the Lake of America. Once it's rebranded, it's, it's, it has a certain energy to it, doesn't it? It's like redoing Coke in the '80s, you know. Is Billy gonna buy some of our merch, Tony? I, I've got him signed on. He's gonna— it's a subscription. It's a— we do a kind of a surprise mystery package, and you can get all sorts of merch now, uh, that Ashley and I are putting together for Wise Wolf and, and Ardaburn Radio and Paratroother and all that. And, and Lake of America merch coming soon. And I love it.

55:56 The, the only stipulation is that Billy has to do influencer videos on TikTok, and I mean the entire unpacking, and I mean nails. Yep, I love to really show off that merch, and I think that's gonna make it move. I was, I was telling, I was telling Tony earlier that I got you guys coffee. I got you some coffee too, Don. I'm gonna send it to you from Puerto Rico. Okay. Yeah, uh, it's supposed to be a, a thing. I don't drink coffee, but I got it for you guys. Um, all right, Tony, tell them where they can find you, brother. Come You can find me at tony.gold is my website, uh, Ardorburn Radio Transmission, ParaTruther Podcast, and coming soon, I just sent, uh, Ashley the new intro for, uh, the Wise Wolf Gold and Crypto Show, which she's gonna co-host with me.

56:42 We're gonna do a really different kind of macro financial show on Mondays. At least that's the, that's the preliminary outline. So I can't wait. Stay tuned for that. Yeah, I'm, I am, uh, I recruited her before anybody else snatched her up, so Very proud of myself. Fantastic. I can't wait, man. I, I legit can't wait because I know it's gonna be a must-listen-to radio. So I have something else to listen to on Mondays, you know. So I'll listen to Democracy Now and then you guys. It's gonna be freaking dope. I can't wait. And, and it's, it's hard, uh, especially coming from the space that we come from, that we currently inhabit. Although we are independent media, we are not alt media, but it's hard to find something to listen to that, that's really good and has actual facts, you know, and, and can, you know, it's, it's not buried in, in this information.

57:33 So I, I can't wait, uh, to, to listen to you guys do what you do. I'm very happy about that. Ashley, tell them about Nights. Tell them about anything that you're doing today. What's up? Yeah, we have Nights of the Storm coming up at 2 PM, and I believe— I think that Jason Barker is not going to be there today because he is celebrating his anniversary with his wife. So congratulations to them. And oh, her mic cut out. You might— you cut out, Ash. Ash, you muted yourself somehow. Yeah, a little bit muted. Boom. Can you hear me? Is my sound okay? So that's great. Anyway, Karen and I are holding down the fort, and last night on Fool Me Twice, we did a very long, uh, Time Storms episode. So if you're into the woo-woo, check out the Fool Me Twice YouTube or Rumble channel for Um, that kind of thing.

58:22 And then I spoke with Don this past week on, uh, the Think Change Repeat show. So you can find all my links on, uh, Linktree. Think Change Repeat, right? Fantastic. Um, so do that. Don Jeffries, the legendary— you know I love you, Don. You know I love you. Yeah, I, I love them. I'm a free speech purist. I can disagree civilly with anybody, you know. All right, what's up? Tell the people where they can find you and what you're doing. Go ahead, buddy. Uh, well, I'm every— I'm banned or shadowbanned everywhere but Substack. donaldjeffries.substack.com. I protest. X is @donjeffries. Uh, RB Ham, I will be on his show again tonight. It's pretty much a Saturday night ritual, 10 PM Eastern with RB Ham.

59:03 We'll be discussing, I think, 9/11. Thanks for all the kind words, Angel Blue. And somebody asked me where I was yesterday. My son's birthday, uh, was— we were celebrating yesterday, so that's why I didn't do I protest. All right, fantastic. Hold on everybody, don't, don't leave right now. Ashley's gonna join me, uh, for the shoutouts, uh, at the end of the show. Um, but I, I want to talk about, uh, uh, the death of a friend, Ron Patton, who passed away, uh, this week. Yeah, yeah, from cancer. He's the longtime producer and, uh, I want to say book— he did everything for Ground Zero, uh, radio with Clyde Lewis. I, I worked— yes, yes, he did. Yeah. I worked there for about a year, um, well, maybe longer than that actually, on 2 different occasions. Last time I spoke to, to Ron, it was during the relaunch of, of Ground Zero Plus, and he, he invited me to come back on, and I did for a time. Uh, technical difficulties and a couple of other things allowed me, you know, I, I, I didn't continue. Uh, but it was a, a, a punch to the gut to see that come up, and, and, and the first, um, instinct of mine was to text Ron. It was weird.

1:00:16 Like, they're like, yo, Ron, Ron, Pat, Wayne McCroy shared the news with me. He's like, I thought you'd like to know. And as soon as I read it, I picked, you know, I just went to my contacts to text Ron, like somehow he was gonna text me back. I'm like, oh shit, man, he, he's passed away. I I didn't get to know him as much as I would have liked, but, um, in the interactions I did have with him, he was a very sweet man, a very accommodating— he wanted the best for everybody. He wanted to help me any way he could, you know, and he always extended himself to me. Uh, Clyde Lewis is the same. He's, he's always been nice to me, always had good things to say about me. Um, I, I, I really like Clyde, and I really liked Ron. Um, so rest in peace, rest in peace, brother. Uh, God bless you, man. It's, it's gonna suck not having you around. He, he's a quality human being as far as I know.

1:01:17 Um, and, um, I know the whole Ground Zero family is in mourning right now. Shouts to Mr. Gates. Um, and, uh, you know, um, Clyde isn't, isn't doing very well health-wise here, guys. All right, so send them your well wishes, uh, and, and just know that anybody can go at any time, man. It's crazy. It's crazy. Like, it— but, uh, God bless Ron. Tone, I know you had some interactions with him, and then I'm gonna go to Don, and then we're getting out of here. Go ahead, Tone. Yeah, I just really— I didn't see that coming. I didn't hear any news prior to that. So, right, um, yeah, just some prayers for his family. And it's always tough to lose somebody that you worked with and Um, I was over on, uh, the Ground Zero Radio, um, aftermath. You know, we were together for a while, almost like a— I think about a year. About a year. Yeah. So yeah, just sad news there. Yeah, man. Uh, Don, go ahead, bud.

1:02:12 Yeah, I was a guest on Clyde Lewis's show several times, and Ron would always be the one to contact you. And I saw he was sick on, uh, Facebook, but yeah, I thought Clyde Lewis was the one that was, you know, in danger earlier. He was very sick, but, uh, he came through it and, uh, apparently Ron didn't. So yeah, sorry to hear that. Certainly sorry to hear when anybody goes. So I didn't know that he passed away, but I had heard him talking about, uh, online on Facebook. All right, tell your people that you love them. You don't know when the last time it's going to be. Guys, if you guys, uh, wanna bow out, go ahead. I'm gonna hang with Ashley for a little bit and then we're getting out. Yeah, I gotta run, guys. Okay, guys, be good. Bye-bye. Later, take it easy. All right, Ashley. You never had any interactions with Ron, did you?

1:02:56 No, I didn't. I didn't know those guys, unfortunately. Clive didn't come onto my radar until after he already wasn't doing as much content as he had been before. Right, right, right, right. Well, quality people, you know, but good people, um, all around, as far as I, as far as I can tell. Any, any, uh, any problems I had with, with, with Aftermath had nothing to do with either of him, you know. Um, so it's, uh, it sucked. It sucked to see that. Um, and, uh, I wanted to make sure we mentioned it. I'm glad it, it came back in my mind towards the end. Rest in peace, buddy. Um, Tony, you, you gonna, you gonna hang out? No, I mean, I can, uh, I can sit here for a couple of minutes. I've got it here, so I'm like, are you gonna hang out? All right, let me— let's just shout out the people. You want to shout out Rumble with me, bro? I'm gonna shout out people here first. Let's do it. Pistol is in the chat. What's going on? Yo, Twisted always has something to say.

1:03:54 He's a funny guy. Um, You're a Daisy, what's up? I'm your Huckleberry. How you doing, You're a Daisy? Thank you for tuning in. Another— you had comment of, of the, of the day with the straighter her moose and Melania. That, that was hilarious. Um, I kept it up for as long as I could and then I took it down. Uh, what else do we have, Ashley? You want to say something to people? My cat Dexter is here, who loves Don. Say what's up to my cat Dexter. We love cats. Yes, we, we're a very cat-friendly group here. All of us have at least one cat in our, in our space, right? Right, right. We love, we love cats here, so we love you by default. Um, let me see, I'm your Daisy. What do we got here? I especially love my black cat Pumpkin. Yes, fantastic. Oh, I, I gotta run, guys. Later. My appointment at the shops here. I'll be, I'll be in the back. Tony, Tony got his, his cat.

1:04:50 Tony's cat walked into his business and Tony kept it. Yeah, well, that's how you know, right? That's the, that's the cat distribution system at work, as it should be, right? And when it presents you with opportunity, you say yes. You say yes. You do not turn down the cats. No, you know, so, and then he told me, he was like, I'm keeping it. I'm like, yes, yes, you must keep it. Yeah, it lives in Texas. I get the, uh, the fun, uh, pictures from you sometimes, Billy, and of the store manager, which is the bodega cat, which I love. And there's actually a page on X that is called Bodega Cats. So people— yeah, it's great. It's, it's part of New York culture, part of American culture. By default. We do have a culture. And, uh, and, uh, when I walk around New York City, anybody that knows anything about New York, all of these bodegas have cats, right? Because they get rid of the rats, you know. So, um, so I take pictures of, of the managers, which is what we call them here, and, and I send them to Ash.

1:05:51 I'm like, yo, Ash, look at the next— look at the manager. I love it. I love it. And one, one quick thing, uh, Billy, I know we gotta wrap up, but for some reason this cat that had been at a Yankees game went viral, although it happened many years before, so I was trying to find out what happened to the cat, right? And, and I still don't really know. I saw one page that said the cat was adopted out, but otherwise I, I don't know what actually happened. But in looking into that, I discovered that the Bronx actually has a really robust system for caring for volunteers caring for the community cats, which I love to see. We do our thing out here. There's a, a lady out here that we, we help monetarily, but she takes care of everything, uh, that she goes around the neighborhood and literally feeds the cats wherever they are. I went around with her one time, um, and it's amazing how many cats are out here, you know, living on the streets. And they come to her.

1:06:48 She's the cat lady. Like, she, she shows up, they all come out. Like, I don't know if you remember the commercials for Cats at the Winter Garden Theater, you know, and they all come out like— that's exactly what happens, you know. I love that. And, and they— she provides healthcare for them. They get neutered, the whole deal. It's amazing. Yeah, that's amazing. And as you know, I had a little, um, an issue with a neighbor at my former place that I was very upset with because there was a couple of us that were trying to feed the community cats and she ended up getting, you know, animal control involved and called them pests or nuisance or whatever. So, um, It's very, very sad, but they, they are, you know, they are guardians of us in a way. All right, no, I, I totally agree. Kenny Powers is in the chat. Kenny Powers for life. I'm not going to read what you just said, but, um, I read it. I see it, I see it, and, and it's funny. Um, you're something else, bro.

1:07:47 Uh, Bronx Stomper is in the chat. Say what's up to Bronx Stomper for me, Ash. What's up? Hey there, Derek, how you doing? What's up, D? What's going on? One of these days, Bronx Stompers, you should come on America Unplugged. It's okay if, if, if you come at me for some stuff. I'd love to have you on as a guest at some point. Come on and sit down with me and Tony and Don. Angel Blue, how are you? Wolf, uh, White Wolf is in the chat. Oh my gosh, so what do we owe the honor? Uh, NMQ8HM is in the chat. Thank you for coming back and listening. How are you? How are you doing? What else do we got here? Let me see. I know there's others. Chris Graves, God bless you. How are you, buddy? Good to see you.

1:08:30 Uh, James— is that James? James Yonan? I think it's James Yonan. What's up, buddy? How are you? Thank you for tuning in. Uh, Thomas Clayton Powell is here. How are you? No cat owner ever knows where their cat is at any given time. That's kind of true. That's 100% true. Last night I finished Fool Me Twice and I was doing a— I call it a critter audit. And I had to try to find everybody. I could not find my main, uh, my big guy here, Tommy Kitten. And I had to break out the food. I looked everywhere, all the closets, all the things, because I thought he was trapped and he was just sleeping in a, in a hiding spot. So, yo, you're a daisy.

1:09:10 Of course China did not celebrate International Dog I don't know why I read that. You're, you're Daisy. You're okay. God bless you too. Okay, what else do we have? Let me see. Uh, Mechanic Jams, what's up? How you doing? Good to see you. Um, my cat Dexter, we saw already. We saw— I think we— I think it's a lot of repeat offenders now. I said what's up to Twisted. Who's over on Rumble? Do you have access to Rumble? I do not have Rumble pulled up right now. Let me pull it up and say what's up to them real quick before we get out of here. RB Ham, what's up, what's up? Talking about was somebody vaxxed. Oh, uh, Ron, I don't know, bro. I don't know if he was or wasn't. I'm assuming he wasn't. Ron Patton, dude, you know, um, I don't, I don't think he came anywhere close to, to a vaccine. Uh, I don't know though, I have no idea. Um, Hilly Billy Banjo, how are you? Rest in peace, Ron.

1:10:04 Absolutely, it was a gut punch. To the community and anybody that, that, um, interacted with him. Bartolo, what's up Bartolo? How are you? Greetings and blessings. Thank you for tuning in. And, and we want you to know, you know, whether you are right now— man is in the chat, what's going on? Great show, thanks. I appreciate that. We want you to know whether you agree or disagree, you, you talk shit about me or not, we're happy that you are here. Liz the Iron Maiden, how are you? Greetings. I'm always happy to see you. Um, and thank you for, for trying to promote things over here. Um, so there's, you know, plenty of people in the chat that, that, uh, have a different view of, of my immigration stance, you know, and that's, that's fine, you know, and we want that. But that's, that's the point of the show.

1:10:47 I want you to know that we're not going to give the same thing. If you want to listen to things that are, you know, that, that fit your paradigm and, and everybody's agreeing and all that other stuff, go, go elsewhere. You want to go listen to Jeff Rentsch and listen to neo-Nazis, go do that. I'm not stopping you, you know. But, um, that's not what we're doing here on America Unplugged. And for everybody that tunes in week after week after week— we have 179 people tuned in right now across platforms, not including, um, Rumble. And I'm going to Rumble, I'm coming to you right now. Uh, we thank you. Thank you for everything you do. Thank you for tuning in. If you can't stand me, thank you for putting up with me. I, I appreciate it. Gorilla Underground tomorrow is going to be a doozy. You want to— you want to hear some disagreements? You want to hear some arguments? It's going to happen tomorrow.

1:11:30 Sebs is coming on with me and we're arguing Candace Owens. That's going to be a good one. She went out of her way, Ashley, okay, on vacation, all right, to text me and tell me how wrong I was about the Candace Owens debate. And I don't even know how she found out. She's probably listening to me or saw a tweet that I did or or whatever. And she was like, that's all I have to say, thank you, goodbye. You know, you would have sent her the same tweet or the same message as well if you heard something. Even if you were on vacation, you would have done the same thing. I would not, Ashley. I would not do such things, in particular not to Seb's, because I don't want the heat, I don't want the smoke. But, but I, I want it tomorrow actually, because it'll make for good radio. But, uh, oh yeah, tune in tomorrow, uh, 7 PM Eastern. We will start Gorilla Underground and Sebs is going to come on at 8. It's going to be a discussion, so that should be fun. All right, let me see who else we got here. I don't want to miss anybody today. Same repeat offenders, so if I miss— if I missed somebody, um, BRV is a Hasan Piker fan. Actually, I'm not. I don't know too much about Hasan Piker, but I don't like his face. I know that's not a good reason not to like somebody, but, um, I don't know too much about him. I don't— I don't listen to him, so it is— it is what what it is. Uh, I need to smoke more weed, uh, Hillbilly Banjo says. I don't smoke weed at all, so maybe I have a point.

1:12:52 Uh, UYY1984, how are you doing? Uh, uh, let me see what else, what else, what else. All right, let me go over to Rumble. You wanna, you wanna run some, uh, some cover for me, Ashley, until I get everybody up on Rumble? Sure, I will. And Hopefully, uh, you were able to get a Tommy Kitten sighting there. And, uh, normally I do for my shows, I will pull up and try to have all the chats running so I can keep track of it. But I take— because I stress out so much about that while I'm doing America Unplugged, I usually don't have the chat up. So I don't intentionally miss saying hello to anybody, just as an FYI, but I, um, I just take a break and let Billy handle all that. Uh, the stressful work of keeping up with the track, with the chat. None of us do. None of us want to ever miss anybody.

1:13:43 And typically I have Rumble up, I just didn't have it up this time. I wasn't even supposed to be on the show today because I'm just home. So I was like, okay, I can, I can go on the show. So I did. All right, Misfit1904 Tommy Cat, he says, what's up buddy, how you doing? Um, I'm gonna come visit you guys at some point, man. I'm, I'm, I'm coming on the show 6 Uh, what's up? Shouts to Six. You know, he keeps, uh, sending, um, links. I'm just not around on Saturday nights, but at some point I will be, so I'll come around. Tara Patra Wild, how are you? God bless you. Greetings and blessings. Johnny Boy is in the chat. Uh, I know that's your boy. You want to say what's up to Johnny real quick? Yeah, hello to, to all those guys.

1:14:24 Tom and, uh, Tara Preta Wild and Little Johnny. Uh, yeah, see them quite often, so happy to see them here. Say hello. Misfit1904, keep going, BRV. I dig it, I love it. Thank you, buddy. Uh, and, and a message to, to John. Johnny, how you doing, bro? How you feeling about your vote nowadays? You gave me a lot of shit. It's the only reason I'm fucking pointing you out. But how you feeling about this, huh? At least it's not Kamala Harris, huh? You know, at least, at least it's not Kamala Harris. We're renaming fucking bodies of water at this point. How do you feel about it, buddy? Anyway, I love you, brother. Come up here, I'll buy you a pizza. Uh, Harps338, what's going on, Harps? How you doing? Australia doesn't exist. Ashley knows Australia doesn't exist. Ashley, you know this, right? I mean, this whole myth about Australia, I'm done with this shit. I told her with this shit a long time ago, it doesn't exist, it's never existed. And Harps keeps pushing this narrative that Australia is a place. Fuck out of here. What's up? It's a division narrative, you know.

1:15:27 I totally agree. Uh, Do Not Obey, what's going on? I appreciate you, thank you for being here. Harps, we appreciate you too, and we love— we love Australia. What's going on? Jason Barker, greetings and blessings to you. Happy anniversary. You don't see too much of that. It's important to try to keep this together. Very nice. Uh, congratulations, sir. Uh, who else do we have? The Oracle of Truth is in the house. God bless you, seeing you around here. I've seen you around these parts. Truth Refugee is in the house. God bless you, hope you're doing well. Uh, Patty Wax, Patty Wax, Patty Wax, 1, 2, 3. I just came up with that on the fly. Uh, next week I'll have the other half for you. I don't, I don't know, I don't know where that's going, but it just felt right.

1:16:08 Uh, um, Bride Mac, what's going on? How are you? Who else we got? I don't know, I don't know. Um, that's it. I think I won't let me— it won't let me scroll any further for some reason. Yeah, yeah, after a certain time, like if you just log in, it doesn't— it like maximizes how far back you can go for some reason. Oh, that's it. So my apologies to anybody that I missed. I promise I'll do a better job next week. 57 people over on Rumble. Ashley, tell the people where they can find you. Tell them about all your shows and everything you've got going on. What's going on? Yeah, so it's been a little bit crazy because I have had the opportunity to come on America Unplugged Uh, quite often, which I'm very grateful for and honored to have that invite, doing Knights of the Storm on Saturday. And then sometimes I fill in for Tony on, uh, his Thursday show.

1:17:00 We have the, uh, the Wise Wolf Golden Crypto Show coming up. Then I'm doing my show Think Change Repeat on Thursday night. And then we, uh, my friend Sean and I are doing Fool Me Twice, where we do kind of like hidden history some paranormal stuff. We have a cryptid episode that we're planning, so I think that we may want to ask Billy to come on, uh, with us for that if he, you know, has the, uh, schedule availability. But it's been really busy, but, um, a lot of fun. I'm learning a lot, and I'm just happy to have these opportunities. Fantastic. We are happy to have you. Thank you. We're getting up out of here in a second. Um, Kenny Powers, deadass, let's make that happen. I didn't know you were Central Jersey. Um, and they got great pizza over in Jersey. I'll bring Track with me. Let's make it happen. I'm not kidding.

1:17:49 That'd be dope. Um, one, one more thing. Uh, damn it, man, I saw the comment and now I lost it. I don't know who— oh, here it is. Boom. All right, let me address this real quick before we get out of here. Um, and I get this a lot, and that's why I want to address it. BRV, it's not the topic, it's the fact that you don't know when to move on. Do you tell Tony to move on from economic news? Do you? Do you tell him stop beating a dead horse? Too much economic news. Gold— stop talking about gold, Tony. Do you tell him that? No, you don't. Do you go to other, other podcasters and tell them to move on? What am I doing? What am I saying that's triggering you and asking you to tell me to move on from something because people have centralized shows. People in, in the alt media— name anybody in the alt media, they've been talking about the fucking New World Order for 10, 15 years. You tell them to move on?

1:18:48 Hmm, no, you don't. No, you don't. So just keep that in mind, all right? I'm talking about this piece of filth that we have in the White House that's freaking killing us right now. It's current. I moved on from Joe Biden because he's no longer in the White House. It's this guy that's hurting us right now. So that's why I'm talking about him. And once he's gone, I'm done with him. But he's not gone yet, right? But I, I feel like, you know, people bring that up all the time. It's like, oh, you don't, you don't move on, you're beating a dead horse, beating a dead horse. Well, really? You tell Don that he's beating a dead horse over, over H-1B visas? Because he brings it up all the time. He said himself he's been talking about it for, for years, for 15 years. He lived 10 years. He said, do you tell him move on, stop talking about that? No, you don't. So that's why I wanted to bring that up. I do appreciate you though, tune in every week. Thank you. I, I legit do. I, I legit appreciate everybody. Okay, Ashley, thank you so much. You're such a great sport. Um, I just decided— I told Tone today, I was like, let's, let's invite Ashley if she wants to come on. If she doesn't, it's fine, you know. But, um, I, I just wanted to see if you had availability, and, and you did, and you're here, and I appreciate you.

1:19:59 Um, yeah, thank you. She's doing 8,000 things. Ashley's busy in all— in, in the alt— in the, in the independent media, and she dabbles in the alt media too, but she, she's doing her own thing. And I, I think it's, uh, it's, it's, it's always good programming. It's honest programming. And Ashley is not going to give you something, uh, you know, that, that she's not thinking. If she, if she believes something, she's going to tell you that she believes it and that she She might not have anything to back that up. She's very clear about what's going on. So I'm sorry. Go ahead, Ashley. Well, I was just going to say that's one of the things I think that in our conversations has influenced me to at the very least be more clear that like this may be anointed conspiracy theory. And I'm going to tell you that it probably is, but it's just my line of thinking. Or whenever there's more documentation or especially some of the stuff that goes back a very long time. You know, we talk about the, um, the, the documentation that is in a certain book or precedent that has been set, that kind of thing. But I have tried to distinguish the, you know, whenever I'm being speculative or not, and, uh, and trying to realize— because this is one of the things that you and I have talked about quite a bit— as far as, uh, your thoughts are not your own. And that was one of the things that really started clicking with me about the algorithmic manipulation and us kind of being herded into these

1:21:29 dysfunctional, in some cases, um, subcultures and being in an echo chamber of that. And then, and not actually thinking outside of the echo chamber and why we're there. So I really have been trying to, to think through this stuff and be more careful with kind of how I think about things, thinking about things that I'm being shown from the algorithm, things that are trending in, like you said, in the alt media. And which part of the alt media is it? The, like, the higher-ups, like a Tucker or Candace, or is it some people that are more in this space or whatever? I'm just trying to do better about that and, uh, be more accurate. It's tough. It's not easy.

1:22:09 It's not easy. And it's a, it's a responsibility that we bear here by doing this. You know, and, uh, I thought I knew what I was doing before, and I was like, man, shit, you know. So I take it very— a lot more seriously now, you know, and, and try to be specific with words. And I'm still— I still have a long way to go, a long way to go. Um, I enjoy broadcasting. Thank you for tuning in. We have, uh, um, we have guests lined up throughout September. We have some guests in October. Um, I, I am going to take a couple of weeks off in September because I have stuff to do, but I in the, in the, in the weeks that I am, uh, operational, we have guests. We have, we have a show at Guerrilla Underground. We, we're, we're move— trying to move it forward. We're gonna— I'm excited about talking to new people and some old people too, you know. It's— so we do have that, and, and we'll, we'll share links and do everything here. Ashley, we appreciate you. Um, uh, Barry from London, from what I'm assuming is London, Londium.

1:23:06 Uh, either that's a misspelling or he was trying to— or she was trying to, uh, draw on the ancient Roman, uh, name for London. So what's up over there, man? That's one of my favorite places in the world that I've never been to. I'm, I'm dying to get over there at some point. Um, I, I think I was from London in a past life. I, I love English bulldogs, my favorite dogs. The British Bulldogs are my favorite tag team of all time. I love rainy weather. I love the fog, uh, Big Ben. What about tea, Billy? We know you don't drink coffee. Do you at least drink tea? I don't drink tea. Unbelievable. I do like ginger lemon tea. I can drink that, but I need to drink it more often, so I will. Okay. Um, and anybody else that tuned in that we missed, my apologies. I, I am very, very Sorry.

1:24:00 Um, but tune in to Guerrilla Underground, 7 PM Eastern tomorrow night. Uh, we're gonna talk about cognitive liberty, we're gonna talk about, um, mass surveillance, and of course Candace Owens and, uh, what's this buffoon's name? Andrew— Andrew whatever his name is. Uh, Andrew Wilson. And, and the debate along with Sebs. She will be joining us, at least— at least she's scheduled to join us. She wrote me the other day just to tell me she was gonna whoop my ass. Um, that was a couple of days ago, so I'm assuming she's still in. Uh, so let's see what develops. All right, let's get up out of here. Greetings and blessings to all of you. We appreciate you. 200 strong here, very nice. Like to see those numbers continue. They don't always stay that way, so thank you for everyone. Appreciate you.

1:24:44 173 strong over on my X. I don't know what Elon Musk did to lift the ban that I have for temporary early, but I appreciate you guys. Tune into the Guerrilla Underground tomorrow, 1 PM Eastern, right here and over on YouTube as well. And of course, you can go over at Guerrilla Underground Podcast on Apple Podcast. You're gonna find it there too. Ashley, we love you. Thank you so much. You're fantastic. Um, of course, a de facto member of America Unplugged at this point, and she's going to be, uh, hosting a show with Tony Ardaburn. Um, good, good stuff all around. Big news coming for Guerrilla Underground and America Unplugged. In the coming months. So stay tuned. We love you all. Thank you for tuning in. We're gonna burn the place down. You want to burn it down, um, Ash? Let's burn it down. Let's burn it down. No music. We're still on the air. We're still on the air. We're still on the air. We're still on the air.