#241 America Unplugged -25 Years After 9/11: New Questions, Old Wounds

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Francis the man died of a big disease with a little

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name. By chance, his girlfriend came across a needle and soon

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she did the same. At home, there were 17 little boys

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and they liked to have fun. He's being in a gang

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called the Disciples, high on crack, totally shingled.

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What's going on everybody? It is America Unplugged, the War

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on Reality report this September 11th weekend, 25 years

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since the attack, uh, on my, my, my homeland

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here in, in New York City. They knocked down my towers and,

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you know, uh, one, one time I did an interview not too

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long ago and they asked me if there was any trauma, did I have

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any trauma from that day because I was, I was there and I saw them

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collapse and a stuff went down that day. Um, and I said,

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no, I don't, I don't think I have any trauma.

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Um, but that might have been said in ignorance,

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not really knowing what trauma

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was, you know, or, or what type of trauma,

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you know, there's different, you know. So that, you know, the fact that

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it, it changed my life and, and, and I've done all of this because of

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that event, most I almost certainly, uh,

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it, it prob— definitely had some type of trauma that I'm just not aware

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of, you know. And I was thinking about that last night,

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um, when I was reviewing, uh, you know, what went

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down on September 11th, 2001 here in New York City.

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Um, I got to see, uh, and meet, uh,

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Scotty Armstrong. What's up, Scotty? And Richard Grove. That was very nice

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to spend some time with them. Also, a, a, a nice,

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a nice lady, uh, uh, I'm gonna mess up your name because I

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mess up everybody's name. It's either Julia or,

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or, or you told me Julia. I said Julia,

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but I could be wrong. Okay, Julie, something like

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that. How are you? And, and she told me specifically,

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uh, not to yell at you anymore, not to be nice to Don

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Jeffries. She said it several, several times. She was like, Billy Ray, that should apply

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to everyone. Everyone should be nice to me. Everybody should, but everybody is nice to

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Don Jeffries. She was, she was referring to the pushback I give you, and she

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was like, be nice to Don. I'm like, Don's my boy, you know. And everybody

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else I met out there, um, what's up to all of you? Uh,

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thank you for listening to America Unplugged. I thought that was very cool that

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I got to meet a couple of people that, that, um, you know,

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listen to our show, which, which was dope. Um,

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anyway, uh, so there are certain things I want

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to get into about 9/11, um, because it's

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what propelled me into this. And we got Ashley here today and we got Don.

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I'm gonna go around the horn. It's what propelled me into this, but there was

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a lot of, a lot of things that I just didn't know

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and I just accepted about the alternative

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theories to the event. I didn't accept everything, but I did

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accept some things. And now in retrospect, I'm looking back and I'm like, oh,

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but there are still some things that I'm very, very suspicious about,

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me personally. Um, and there could be reasonable

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explanations for this. I just don't buy into

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them, or I don't understand them. It's one of the two,

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or, or maybe both in some cases. And we'll, we'll get into some of this

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stuff. Don Jeffries, how are you? We are going to talk about Donald Trump giving

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you money, more money in your veins, more money in your pocket,

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more money in your bank accounts. I mean, because we have just

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been floating in dough. We keep winning and winning and winning. Yeah,

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we're going to talk a little bit about that. And, uh, and, uh,

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Ashley's here, is gonna, is gonna keep us grounded, and she's gonna talk about all

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the world events that are going on. Because if Ashley wasn't here, we'd probably

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just talk about 9/11 the entire time, and that might still happen. We're definitely going

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to get into Donald Trump giving you money, but we're going to

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try to get into some world events as well. Donald Jeffries,

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9/11. I know you've been doing this all weekend already,

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but here for America Unplugged. Tell the people what's up. Well, first of all,

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in the chat, can you all come up with something more complimentary than Stevie Wonder

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or the Unabomber? I mean, come on, that's what they're calling me. They came and

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I look like that. I mean, I think I look cooler than that. Geez.

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But I had an eye injury. It's, it's getting better, but I just didn't want

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people to see this, uh, the scar. I just got stitched out today, just for,

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for those of you that care. I, I'm not slowing down enough for my age

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exercising, so the

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real lies. Cyclops from X-Men. Okay, well, I guess a

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little better, I guess, a superhero. That's true. Okay, that's cool. Yeah, I always

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kind of admired him. We couldn't— he had to keep the shades on to avoid

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blasting everybody. So I don't have that issue.

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But, um, but I think, you know, can we look at— so when

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I, you know, people were arguing with me a lot on, uh, online because,

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I mean, I stress things like when I looked at the NIST report, again,

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not a conspiracy theory, this is the government's own report. I found that

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they determined that the first person jumped from the building,

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uh, from one of the towers, uh, 4 minutes after

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the first plane struck. And of course, I— that just seems impossible for me to

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believe. But people assured me, well, you know, I said, I'm just saying that stood

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out to me. I don't know, that doesn't make sense to me. Whatever it means,

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I don't know. But then I think it raises questions. A lot of us raise

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questions about the jumpers too. We're suspicious of that many people jumping and they stop

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showing them and all that. Most people don't look at that kind of stuff,

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you know, but I do. And, uh, the other story I stress is maybe even

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more ridiculous, but it's a clear lie. And that was the— they kept reporting

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on social media over and over again, these 2 women, a heartbreaking story.

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They had flown together their entire lives and they always sat next to

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each other on the plane, but on 9/11 they were unable to get a seat

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together. Now, at the same time, they're telling you all of the airliners

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were, you know, half or more empty. So that's an

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absolute lie. That's, you know, you think we think can't prove— we can prove that's

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a lie. So why were you reporting that? Why were you coming up

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with a heart, you know, tugging, heartstrings-tugging story that

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you know is bullshit? So those are the kind of things I look for that

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then you realize how deep this rabbit hole goes. So, and of course we can—

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I've heard people now that it's kind of like the, uh, the,

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uh, you know, the people, uh, you know, walking back

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everything. Like in the JFK assassination, they actually kept saying, well, we actually had more

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than 6 seconds and all kinds of nonsense. But now we have people arguing with

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you, well, The steel didn't actually have to reach that temperature

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to melt. It's like, okay, well, that's what the science you worship says it has

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to meet, you know. And, uh, so this is the kind of stuff we face.

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And, and the Islam did it, you know, the entire

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thing. So all of Islam did it. I said, can we say Judaism did it?

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And, and when you show pictures of the, uh, genocide in Gaza,

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what do you mean Islam did it? I thought it was the tallest Arab in

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the world, Osama bin Laden specifically. I thought it was al-Qaeda,

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and then I don't know what they changed it to. I mean, they've changed it

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to several things, and we invaded Afghanistan and Iraq because of it.

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And I'm surprised they're just not blaming it on Iran now. It's stupid.

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It's dumb thinking Islam did it. The entire right is doing this,

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showing one— the same jumper, all, you know, the ledge jumper,

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one body falling and saying Islam did this.

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No, you're— they didn't. If any, you know, you can say the dancing Israelis,

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you might focus on them. There's more evidence for that.

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But your government did this. It was an inside job. So, uh,

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that's what I've been saying. Most people don't argue with me because there is no

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argument. But, uh, it's, it's a shame that there's that many

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people that said— but again, it's because the right is completely sold now

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on this, uh, this new war on terror, although now it's a war on Islam.

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And it's really— it's, it just— it's because so much, as I showed in my

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Substack, so much— we crossed the line. I think that's when we became America

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2.0. Uh, on 9/11, uh, you know, we passed the Patriot

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Act, which eviscerated our civil liberties. Uh, we,

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uh, created the Homeland Security Department, which no one questions

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anymore. We somehow, we got along fine without it for 200

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and some years, but now we have to have it. And it made,

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you know, I worked with a guy named Muhammad at the time. He was terrified.

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He, I was trying to help him figure out a way to change his name

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to Matthew. Because he said, how could I change my name? Because anybody

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named Muhammad was suspect. And, uh, it was a terrible

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time. All the waterboarding that went on, all the torture. And remember the pictures

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at Gitmo and, um, uh, what's the

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other place, Guantanamo Bay, with the, the Iraqi male Iraqis with light bulbs

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stuck up their butts and the smiling female soldier,

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very pretty, but, you know, smiling next to him like she's just giddy

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over it. Can't forget all that. Not to mention, you know, Julian Assange was created

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basically because 9/11. So was Manning. I mean,

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they're the ones that published the photos of the awful things they were doing,

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not just the prisoners, but killing, you know, shooting dogs

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for sport, playing soccer with decapitated heads,

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urinating on corpses, raping constantly, as our soldiers have been

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known to do since the Civil War at least. So we have to— we

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can't forget all that stuff, but somehow it becomes Islam. That's got— even if Islam

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did it What are we doing all that stuff for?

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And again, I just resent that it's, it's, it's such a

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stupid— it's, it's even dumber than the '50s when they said the communists did it.

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Where— but I guess it's at that level. But that's where we are now.

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The only argument they have, like when I'm trying to talk facts, is Islam

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did it. It's like, okay, how do I argue with that?

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That's it. So every person that's Islam— and, and that's a new thing, you know.

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They used to say terrorists. They don't— they used— before Islam, the only time you

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heard that was the Nation of Islam with Farrakhan. But it's, it's now,

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it's no more, not even Muslims necessarily. It's terror— it's, we're terrorists.

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Islam did it. And I, I just, I resent the stupidity of the argument.

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And, uh, but you know, I'm used to being a thought criminal, so I'll,

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I'll take my lumps on there dealing with these people.

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Ashley, what are your thoughts on September 11th and, uh,

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everything that Don said, or whatever you want to add? Well,

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I will say that this was This— of course

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I remember where I was that day. It was such an impactful time.

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And Don's right, everything changed after that.

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Like, everything changed after that.

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And, um, I can't imagine being Billy,

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a New Yorker, and having the involvement that you had

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that day, because of course, in my opinion,

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it was trauma for the entire country, but it was worse for

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people that were there. And of course that lost loved ones and that

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had family members that were involved in the rescue

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crews, that people didn't care about them. They said the

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air is safe to breathe, and then they get cancers and they don't get the

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treatment and the care that they deserve, the financial help,

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all of these things. So it's a horribly traumatic event for the entire country.

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And to Don's point, it— this

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is true. This was when people were all about It was the

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Muslims. You're exactly right about that. And then look at the fallout. And then speaking

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of that, we may touch on some of the geopolitical events that

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we're seeing to this day. These areas, a lot of these areas

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were destabilized. I mean, they maybe they already had

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been meddled with and intervention had happened there.

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Obviously, we know about the United States and coups in Iran. And so

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it's not new. But we're still dealing with the fallout of

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the destabilization that took place in the Middle East from

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the United States and, you know, the UK and the other countries

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that were in on that to this day, 25 years later. So,

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um, the implications are still with us in so

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many different ways. It's such a horrendous tragedy. And yeah,

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Don also brought up a great point with where putting the spotlight

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on torturing people. Some of those people are still being held.

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They're still in Guantanamo. I mean, we're talking

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no, no legal representation, even if people are trying to

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help them. This, this allowed them to say, to start

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the banner of terrorist. If you're a terrorist,

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then you— that's all we have to say,

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and you essentially have no rights, and we can just lock you in a cage

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and throw you away, and you're not getting your day in court. So the

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implications are absolutely huge. It's one of, uh, the greatest tragedies in

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American history, of course. And, um,

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it's just so many different issues touch that

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day, right? I totally agree, man. Uh, it's,

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it's, it's, it's something that I'll carry with me the rest of my life.

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Um, I remember when, when I first thought that

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there was something wrong It was during the birth of my

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first child, and it was days before

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9/11, and I didn't want to leave, but I was

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like, I got to do something,

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you know. So I went out to

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Ground Zero, and I started giving out pamphlets. That was

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my first method

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of activism. For 9/11,

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you know, and I did that, you know, just because it meant so much to

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me at the time, and my son was days old, you know, but I was

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like, I have to— in my mind at that time, I'm like,

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I have to do this, you know, and even for my son moving forward,

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because it's like, it's— this is meaningful.

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I think the 9/11 Truth Movement,

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while it had good intentions in the beginning,

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Uh, has been, uh, infiltrated and,

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uh, desecrated. And I'm gonna tell you now,

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it's dead, okay? 9/11 truth

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movement is dead. There was a conference here yesterday of 20,

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25 years. Um, it's been the

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last few days actually. I think it's still going on now, you know, Richard Gage

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and, uh, um, I know, uh Chris Graves is there today. Yep,

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Chris Graves. Oh, he's— hey, he traveled there. He's gonna see it

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too. The guys from, uh, what is it, Pink Floyd? Forget it.

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Yeah, Roger Waters. Jimmy Stewart.

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Yeah, this is ultimately a get-together for

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people that are like-minded, that can think

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of it. It's still a very niche portion of

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society. Um, that holds the— that hold these beliefs

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to the degree that they do. Because you can talk to the random person on

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the street and tell them, hey, what do you think about 9/11? Be like,

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yo, there's something suspicious about 9/11. Or people that were living at the time,

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because you ask after a certain age, you know, they have

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no idea. So it's being forgotten in that manner,

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right? But so people of a certain age that lived through this,

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they'll tell you, yeah, there's something very suspicious, but they can't get into

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points, you know, they can't get into a deep discussion about

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what happened. They're like, yeah, something suspicious, probably the government, probably George Bush,

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peace, and keep walking. Nothing's gonna happen. There's no, there's no accountability.

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There's no real, no real push for

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something, uh, for accountability. And who are you going to hold accountable at this

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point, you know? So, so this is, this has gone the way

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of JFK, which we knew long ago it

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was going to happen, but, but, uh Did we want to admit that to ourselves

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is a different story, at least for me, right? Um, they have all

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types of specials on JFK and everybody talks

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whatever, but no one is ever held accountable for anything, right?

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This is what 9/11 is going to become now. It has become,

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in my opinion. Um, not, not to mention that yesterday,

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what was most ironic to me is that there was

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a Charlie Kirk, um, uh,

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tribute of sorts, uh, involved with

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the 25-year anniversary of 9/11. And I don't understand why

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that's a thing. I don't understand why that's a thing.

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These are 2 different issues. We, we, we should

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not involve, uh, Charlie Kirk in

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true honest investigation on 9/11.

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We, we should not do it. Additionally, um,

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the event was held in El Museo

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del Barrio, right? That's the, the Museum of, of the Neighborhood.

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El Barrio is, is the name that it was given. It's in Spanish

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Harlem, uh, by the Puerto Rican,

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uh, people that, that lived there in, in the '60s, the '70s,

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the '80s, you know, the, um, uh, that made that area

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what it is. And there's still, uh, a big Latino presence in that

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area, and to have a tribute to Charlie Kirk held

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in that building was mind-blowing to

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me. You know, I'm sure, um, the people from,

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um, the museum didn't know that that was going to go on,

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you know, but I was like, you know, because Charlie Kirk pushed a lot of,

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uh, um, Great Replacement

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Theory, uh, anti-immigration, everybody needs to go,

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you know, that type of thing. So, um, I'm,

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I'm— I wasn't a big fan of, of that aspect of it,

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right? So, uh, but additionally to that, I don't think 9/11

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should be, um,

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mixed in with COVID or anything like that. And that's what Richard Gage does.

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He, he mixes it in with COVID and tries to draw parallels. I We

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want to find out what happened on 9/11, legit questions about

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that event. Muddying it up with other things only discredits

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you in the eyes of the mainstream. And ultimately, all the mainstream doesn't matter,

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then why are we having this movement if we're just going to talk about amongst

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ourselves, right? This movement is supposed to spill over to the mainstream in order to

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make a difference, but we are handing them tools to say, nope, we're not

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even messing with you from the get. Because you're, you're involving

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all this other stuff that is easily disprovable, that most people there

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have no idea what they're talking about, you know.

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So that's, that's another area that I have that's a problem.

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But in retrospect, looking back,

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and I, I still have some suspicions on 9/11, but there are a lot of

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things that are easily disproven from conspiracy

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culture, like Don mentioned. That they were walking some things back and saying, well,

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uh, steel beams, you know, because the whole thing was that,

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uh, I think, uh, fires couldn't melt the steel,

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but it can weaken them according to the NIST report, right?

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This is according to NIST. I don't know, find better evidence. And this is what

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at least Richard Gage is trying to do, that which I

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can commend him for, you know. But, but, uh, the standard science,

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uh, says that they can be weakened And that can cause a collapse.

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There was also the, the burst of, uh, that looked like explosions

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when the tower was coming down. There was like little explosions. And I

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looked at that when I was, when I was first introduced to 9/11,

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and I was like, holy shit, there were legit explosives there.

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Well, that can be explained away by air pressure and everything just coming down,

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bursting things out. Makes sense to me. You know, these are things that can easily

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be explained away. And I think we spend a lot of time on

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this instead of looking at how

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did these hijackers— how were they allowed to come and

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train here in the United States? How was Mohammed Atta

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allowed to, to, to take flight, uh, uh, uh,

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training here in the United— along with some others? I don't know the specifics of

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all their names, but in Florida they were, they were

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taking, uh, flight training and they were being observed. They, they knew these people

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were who they were, but how was this allowed to happen?

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How were they allowed to come into the country? These are more legit questions,

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I think. Um, and then we get into Building

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7, you know, and that's, that's the one that gets

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me more than anything else because it's like, no planes hit that building,

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right? And the standard belief goes that

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no steel building of that you know, a skyscraper

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like that had ever collapsed due to fires before or since,

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right? And that's true to a degree, to a

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degree. And I'm gonna, I'm gonna show you a couple of things here. Uh,

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let me see if I can share my screen. Can I share my screen?

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Why can't I share my screen? Here we go. This is going slowly.

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Bang. All right, bear with me here.

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So This is— hold on, I gotta get

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my iPad up. Boom. All right, this is,

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uh, the Plasco building in Tehran,

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January 19th, 2017. It's a 16-story steel-framed

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tower, um, that was hit by a

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plane and it collapsed in 3 hours due

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to fires. So this happened in,

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in 2019. Now granted,

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um, and this is me and this is my own speculation,

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my own, you know, uh, doubts about things, this isn't

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as big as World Trade Center 7. It's a smaller, a smaller

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building. Uh, World Trade Center 7 was, I think, 47 stories.

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Um, but this is another instance of

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fires bringing down a tower. Bringing down a skyscraper due

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to, due to fires. All right, and we got another one. This one, uh,

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was a massive high-rise fire caused the building to collapse.

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It's called the, the Wilton Paez Building in São

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Paulo, May 1st, 2018.

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It was a high-rise with reinforced concrete, a reinforced concrete

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structure. Now granted, this was a different, uh,

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structure. It was a different type of build. So it's, it's, uh, it's a

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lesser example than the previous one. The Tehran one

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is compelling, right? It shows that this can

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happen and had— has happened since, although it's not to

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the same degree as World Trade Center 7. I'm very suspicious about

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World Trade Center 7 myself. Um, this is

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the article that got me into all of this.

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Hijack suspect alive and well.

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Um, and I, I found it while I was

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looking up some stuff to show you guys, and, and it just brought me back,

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so I figured I'd show you. Um, this has been disputed at

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this point. There was a retraction by the BBC.

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Um, and, uh, this could have been— this

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is a reporting early on, uh, in a mixed up— a mix-up of

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names for— from some uh,

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pilots, um, in the Middle East that,

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that shared the same name, but they were different people. That's, that's how

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it was reported. But this was what did it for me because it was reported

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by the BBC. So I was like, there's something to that, there's some,

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some teeth to it, although it could be explained away. Um,

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yesterday I listened to an episode that,

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uh, Wheezy did with James Corby. I'm— I don't know much about James

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Corbett. I know who he is clearly, but I don't listen too much. Um,

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it was an excellent episode. Wheezy did a great job at—

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Wheezy's an excellent broadcaster in my opinion, you know. So he did

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it, he did a great job at running the show, and, and they asked legit

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questions. I had some issues with some, some, some stuff, but Corbett

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did make sense on a lot of things. Um, regardless, they got into the passport.

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Um, uh, that was found at,

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uh, at— what is it— when, uh, in the debris, I think

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it was around the sidewalk here in New York City.

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Uh, it was— it wasn't Mohammed Atta's passport, it was somebody else's passport,

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another, uh, hijacker. I got his name here somewhere,

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I'll give it to you. Um, but it was found on the street

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and it was picked up by a, by a passerby. By somebody that was

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walking and handed it to Bernard Kerik, who was the chief of

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police in New York City. Of course, he turned out to be a prominent,

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uh, uh, person in MAGA later on because of

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Rudolph Giuliani, uh, who, who just now got

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exposed to letting people go down into Ground Zero,

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uh, knowing that the air was unsafe to breathe.

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And we've known this here in the conspiracy circles for a long time. Christy Todd

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Whitman and what, what happened there with New Jersey. You know, and what she said,

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the air was safe to breathe. Um, but, uh, Rudolph Giuliani knew,

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and all the administrations prior refused— I mean, uh, um,

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after Giuliani refused to release these documents, you know who

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did? Uh, Zoran Momdani,

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the Muslim that you guys don't want. And when I'm saying you

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guys, I'm talking generalities here, that you guys don't want to, uh,

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be down in Ground Zero just because he's Muslim. Them.

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That going back to another point that Don made, the Muslims, the Muslims, the Muslims.

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Well, Mom Donnie released all those documents

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for everybody to see, you know. Um, so, so there's that.

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So, um, so that passport was handed to Bernard Kerik. Bernard Kerik is a very

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sketchy individual. Um, but it's,

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it's very hard to believe that something like that could happen,

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right? It's, it's hard to believe that a passport can survive all of that now.

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Apparently it, it was— I

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don't know how they would know this, but it was, it, it was most probably

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ejected after, before the, before it hit the building, they said. But either

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way, the passport survived. And it's, it's, it looks highly unlikely,

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but here is, uh, an example

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of— and let me go back to the main screen— here is an example

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of a passport surviving a plane hitting

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a building and fires breaking out. Hold on, I got this written down

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here. Air India Flight 171

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in 2025, uh, the air— an aircraft hit this,

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uh, this building. It was a medical college building, and,

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uh, old passports did survive.

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They found, uh, passports of, of people,

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um, that were on the crash. Here it says it, uh including

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clothes, passports, wallets, photographs, an Air India

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spokesperson told the India Express.

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So it's, it's not out of the realm of possibility that this would happen,

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right? Hold on for a second, I got a couple more and then I'll let

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you talk, Doc. Hold on, hold on. Boom, we did this, we did this,

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we did this, we did this, and now we're gonna

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do this one. Okay, so Not only

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do we have that, that example, also, um, a Malaysia Airlines

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flight, uh, what is it, MH17, in the

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Ukraine in 2014. There was, uh, luggage and passports that were

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recovered. But I think more relevant to the argument here is, um,

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United Airlines Flight 93, Pennsylvania,

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2001. Now we all know that, uh, directly connect—

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connected to 9/11. Other passports were recovered there of 2 other

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hijackers, uh, Zaid Jarrah and,

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uh, I'm butchering these names, Saeed al-Hamdi.

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Their passports were recovered. Now I know what you will say because

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this is what I said: well, they were hijackers, so it's convenient

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for those passports to be recovered in order to hold up the official

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story. Um, well, there was another passport recovered of, uh,

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of a passenger. His name was Toshiya Kuji,

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uh, Flight 93 passenger. His passport was also recovered.

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He, he was, uh, headed home to Japan on Flight 93

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after vacationing in the United States and Canada, you know. And that,

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uh, passport was on display here in New York. Um,

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I don't know if it's still on display. Here's the, the path— the, the case

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where the passport was in. If it is, I want to go see it.

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I'd like to go see it. And now we can argue that all of this

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was planted, um, but we are

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going to have a hard time proving that,

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right? It's, it's all speculation at this point. So I, I would think that

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the best course of action is to concentrate on what we can

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prove or what we can reasonably push back on.

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And, and, and the, the passport thing is something we can reasonably push back on,

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but we'll never get to the bottom of it. We should talk about how

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these guys got into the country, how these guys were able to

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fly these planes, how box cutters were able to make it through security.

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We should look at stuff like that. Uh, the stand down,

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you know, um, order that was given. We should look at stuff like that,

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you know. And, and of course, Building 7 still seems

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incredibly sus to me, although, um,

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there are examples of, of, uh steel

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buildings collapsing due to fires after that, you know. So, uh,

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I just, I just wanted to inject that into the conversation here.

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We need to be honest about these things, and, and we need to be

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willing to be wrong about these things. Just because you hold these truths

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or these beliefs, uh, close to your heart— and, and this

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was my existence for years and years and years— it

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doesn't make you right. You need to be willing to

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accept the evidence wherever it is and wherever it takes you,

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right? And, and say, okay, so maybe I have to reevaluate my position on

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some of these things. That doesn't mean that the official story of 9/11 is 100%

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concrete. I still have questions about a lot of it, right?

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Uh, and I, I laid out some of it here. But it does mean that,

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um, it could mean that a lot of the stuff— and well-meaning,

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I think the guys from Loose Change were well-meaning— but a lot of that stuff,

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you know, could be either disproven or will just

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lead us down another path, you know. Um, I, I remember James

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Fletcher telling me live on air, he was like, I, I wouldn't put too much

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stock on the family members of 9/11 that are out there crying.

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They might be actors. Like, um,

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and I, I don't— I, I can't, I can't co-sign that. I'm sorry. And that

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was one of the, one of the steps that— one of the knocks in the

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head that took me to another level. I'm like, well, this guy's thinking this,

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then what else is he wrong about? And I kept going, uh,

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and going and going. But, but, uh, there are some examples of this, just saying.

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Don Jeffrey's reactions. I don't know where to begin,

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Bill. You, you remind me of a lot of people I've known in the JFK

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research community who became what I call neocons, who, uh, suddenly started

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questioning, just like you're doing, questioning all these things, saying, well, it's possible,

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maybe, you know, who knows, maybe it's possible. I don't know where

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you're getting it from, but in terms of Muhammad Atta If you know American Memory

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Hole, I published the fact that his father— maybe his father's a liar,

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maybe he's an actor too— his father, uh, went on German television and talked

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about speaking to his son Mohammed Atta after 9/11,

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who was hiding out and claiming that the Mossad was trying to frame him.

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American media ignored him. No one talked to him. So I don't know, maybe what

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was that about? I, I think when you concentrate on the hijackers,

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you're concentrating on, uh, the patsies, the fakeness

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of it. I don't think there were hijackers. Most people that— and whether, you know,

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I— you've got Judy Wood and all these people, you got theories just like you

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have in JFK because it wasn't investigated. The 9/11 Commission

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was like the Warren Commission. I talked to Scott, uh, that's the guy's name,

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Foreman, I think his name was, but who worked inside 9/11. He fled

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to England out of fear because they weren't there that day,

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but they had seen all the stuff going on in the weeks leading up,

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the mysterious power outages the disabling of the security cameras.

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And after it happened, he tried to go to the NYPD, the New York Port

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Authority, the FBI, and finally the 9/11 Commission. Nobody wanted to hear

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him. He worked— nobody knew firsthand more better than he

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did. Yet when the 9/11 Commission report came out, they said there were no power

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outages, there were no, uh— and it wasn't just him,

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tons of other people talked about it. Over 150

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firefighters alone talked about very detailed evidence

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of explosions. That's just firefighters alone. There's no question.

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We have early reports in the media of a truck parked at the base of

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the building that has explosives in it. As R.B.

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Hamm, uh, is on my show yesterday, talked about,

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there was a van driving around on 9/11

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with a mural that showed exactly what happened of

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a plane going into the World Trade Center. I mean, I don't know what that

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means. But again, it's— there's video of it. It's there. It means something.

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So, uh, as far as Building 7, we know Barry Jennings was

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in there, reported explosions. He died mysteriously like so many others

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in 9/11. His family disappeared. Dylan Avery of Loose Change

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told me that the private detective he hired to try to locate his

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family told him, never contact me again. The real

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conspiratorial X-Files type of style. This is

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very, very deep. I mean, like I said, I talked about the 2 women that

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they made— they made lots of stories. They, they made up a name of a

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victim that if you look in the middle of his name, it says no more

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war or more war or something like that. It's ridiculous. They did

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so many crazy things. And in terms of the, uh, the magical passport,

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you know, again, everything else is pulverized but that. And as

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far as Flight 93, American Memory Hole, thanks to Chris Graves

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and Peter Seacash, did lots of great research on that.

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I don't know what happened there. If they found anybody's passports, that's pretty much

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all they found. Because we've got the testimony of everybody there and said, you know,

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it didn't really look like there was a plane crash. And that's not what usually

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happens with plane crashes. And you have, you know, the county coroner, uh, that,

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uh, lied constantly, told like 5 different stories. They're all in my book. DV Kidd,

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who did some great research there, was on my podcast a while back, tried to

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corner him. He didn't even write up an official report on it. Uh, this— we

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don't know what happened. We know, we know Let's Roll didn't happen. We know

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that somebody didn't call there. We played yesterday on the show the Peter Jennings

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interview with the mother of, uh, Todd Bingham,

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uh, that, uh, that said hi, you know, said he

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called her and said, hi, Mom, this is Todd Bingham, your son. Nobody does that.

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She's laughing audibly during the interview. This is not a conspiracy theory.

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You can see as it happens. That's why people talk about crisis actors. It doesn't

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make sense. People don't act that way. She's full of— she's

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not upset at all. I mean, it makes no sense if you

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look at that. The let's roll thing was what became the trademark of this.

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Because it made it say— and again, got Americans' patriot fervor

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up. Yeah, let's roll! They took that down. So they ignored the fact

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that these planes flew around for almost an hour and a half, and the,

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the— our defense system, if they did anything at all,

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they shot down Flight 93 over Pennsylvania and lied about it. If they

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did anything at all. I don't even know if they did that. But, uh,

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and Dick Cheney would later say we did that, you know, but we don't know.

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The mayor of Cleveland talked about Flight 93. He gave very

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detailed testimony. About Flight 93 landing

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at an emergency landing in Cleveland's airport because of a bomb

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threat. How do you make a mistake like that? It's absolutely impossible.

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The, the— all the phone calls were suspect. They would later, you know,

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afterwards say no, they couldn't have actually made those phone calls, that you had people

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doing that allegedly in these dramatic phone calls, including the

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let's roll thing. None of it makes any sense. And then you have the Pentagon,

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where the— whatever hit that Pentagon It sure

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wasn't Flight 77 because there's no sign of the airplane anywhere except for tiny

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bit of debris outside. And that wasn't there initially because Fox News reporter

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Jamie McIntyre, who I tried to contact, of course never answered me initially in

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his live report, said, you know, I, I don't see any signs of

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a plane here. There's no debris outside at all. And there wasn't. Later they planted

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a few things, I think. But, uh, where was the plane?

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And the hole is way too small. Again, they've had people going back

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to 2001, the late great Jack White, who doesn't get any credit for this.

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He was a great photo analyst. He superimposed the plane

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against the hole. It's not even near wide enough. And then you have to account

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for the wings. What happened to the wings? If they got sheared off,

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they should have been outside. If they went into the building somehow, there should have

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been an impact point. You should have seen like an old Warner Brothers cartoon.

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You should have— should impact from the wings. You don't see either one.

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The plane just dissolved into nothingness. That doesn't

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happen. And so you had originally people like April Gallup, the whistleblower

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that worked there, that tried to sue Dick Cheney and everything and said nothing.

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There's no evidence of anything. I saw nothing there. She worked inside the Pentagon.

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I tried to get a hold of her. She's scared now. She's not talking.

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But there's so many. And what came out of this, they obviously,

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to give them the benefit of the doubt about anything, it's even before 9/11,

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you had the JFK lie, the MLK lie, the RFK lie, all the

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things that happened during the cleanse, the Waco lie, where we murdered American citizens in

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their own home. And lied about the most impeachable crime of all time, the OKC

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City lie. Oklahoma City. I'm contacting Tonya Yiki,

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who's, uh, Clarence Yiki, her husband they killed, you know, very— and I

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hope to get her on my show sometime. But clearly there were bombs planted in

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there. Every— you could— you can watch— it used to be they had early local

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coverage from Oklahoma City where they're talking non-stop about the bombs

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in the building, finding— and of course they just scrubbed that, just like the JFK

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Jr. case. I have the original videotape coverage where they talk about the 9:39

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PM phone call over and over again, and they sent a a Coast Guard officer

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had to talk about it later. Oh no, that's crazy, that's conspiracy theories.

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And nobody but very few people than me have that book because

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when they tried to get the— researchers tried to get the coverage later, they edited

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all references to it out. So that's what they do, they throw them down the

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memory hole, hence the title for my book. So, but this is— there's

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to be backsliding on this, there's, there's no reason. They have

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been proven wrong about anything, everything. If anything, we should be

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more digging our feet in further that,

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you know, that these people are rock-solid criminals.

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They're gangs. They're real gangsters. And all they do is

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commit crimes. All they do is lie and cover it up. Their jobs depend

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on it. This was a huge crime. It changed America. We got

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the Patriot Act. We got Homeland Security Department. We get free speech zones.

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When you have free speech zones, that means outside of the zones you don't have

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free speech. And we accepted it all, and we're still sitting there.

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And now, basically, all those years later, you have the left, which is silent because

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they hate conspiracy theories, even though they should be upset because they're,

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you know, defaming non-white people. That usually gets them upset. But they're so antagonistic

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to conspiracy theories, they're just like they didn't care about Martin Luther King's death.

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So they don't care. They're not going to be with us. And the right is

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now— the mainstream right has become Islam did it. So that's

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where we stand now. And I With all due respect, I think Richard J.

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Grage is doing the best he can. In the last few years, he's gotten—

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you know, 10 years ago, you couldn't have gotten somebody like Roger Waters, who was,

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you know, Pink Floyd, one of the biggest groups in rock. And he's kind of

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been demonized a little bit, but that's what they're going to do. They're going to

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demonize anybody. Jimmy Dore is a big name. He's going to these

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things now. Uh, Curt Weldon, the former member of Congress, he's gone the last 2

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years. Dennis Kucinich, my hero, former campaign manager

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for RFK Jr., who loves Rabbi Shmuley in Israel, but Dennis Kucinich

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is a fierce critic of Israel. Very odd choice for his presidential campaign manager.

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These things are never as they look to see. So I, I think you're

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right, nothing is going to happen because nothing ever happens

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in any of these cases. But I think it's good that more people are drawing

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awareness to it. And as for Charlie Kirk, I think the only reason they're doing

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that is because it happened on September 10th. It's an assassination,

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and it was the talk when when I was there last year in DC,

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that's all they were talking about because Tucker Carlson was supposed to be the keynote

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speaker. I guess he wasn't going to do it anymore like that, but he was

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scared off after the Charlie Kirk. So it was— everybody was looking over the shoulder

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and, you know, kind of paranoid because of that. So I think that's— it doesn't

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really have anything new other than we think it's just another long thing and a

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lie because I think they're trying to push a ridiculous narrative now

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on that, as they do all the time. So I, I don't, I don't think

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they tell the truth about anything. I don't think that sometimes they're honest. So they're

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liars, they're criminals. Most of them are probably Satanists. Many of

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them have sold their souls that we can't even understand the depravity.

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I mean, we show the Epstein files that we know of, what has been allowed

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to be released. These people are cannibals. They eat people.

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How are we going to sit there and— I mean, they show it over and

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over again in the things. Let's get the jerky. I'm going to walk the jerky

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over later in the afternoon. We're going to try to analyze them as,

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as normal people. They're absolutely evil. We can't even understand the extent

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of it. So there's nothing they wouldn't do. They would kill 3,000 people. They would

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pretend to kill 3,000 people. It's a big joke. They do anything they want

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to do. And I think all we have to do is start with that.

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So I don't have any theories— holograms, no planes, all that kind of

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stuff— but what they say happened— 19 crazed Arabs

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with plastic knives. I worked in a warehouse for a long time, the box cutters,

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and they're more powerful than plastic knives, but I, I don't think you get very

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many people that will allow a plane to be taken over with box cutters.

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That's just ridiculous. And that's what we're supposed to believe. And we're also supposed

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to believe that they didn't send fighter jets up. Now they've trotted out a very

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good-looking woman fighter jet pilot. I don't know where she was until now,

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but apparently she's been promoted, her and somebody else that supposedly did come up very

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belatedly that day, because we've talked about golfer Payne Stewart,

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uh, shortly before. That happened, uh, his plane

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very tragically lost oxygen. Everybody died instantly.

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They sent, they sent up fighter jets within 15 minutes.

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They had almost an hour and a half here. The plane was headed for the

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heart of the defense system, the Pentagon, which of course had tons of security cameras

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then, but somehow they weren't operating this day. American Memory, I want to

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talk about— they were doing work just like they are with Sandy Hook and everything

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else. The cameras are never working. Charlie Kirk, all those people

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there everybody with cell phones. Why aren't we seeing the cell phone videos so we

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have the, the whatever happened from 10, 100 different angles? We don't have that.

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Somehow the people during these events, they just all put their cell

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phones away. It's amazing. So that's

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why we ask these kinds of questions. But I, I, I think to me there's—

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I will never backtrack on any of these conspiracies. I'm becoming more and more radical

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about them as they go on, because if anything, my opinion of these people is

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now that I know they're cannibals I, I don't know what else they can be

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beyond that. I mean, you can't get much worse than that. But, uh, so I,

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I have no hesitation in,

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in calling it. But I, I think that, uh, if we, if we give an

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inch here and just say, well, maybe that happened— no, because they're, they're lying

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about everything. The entire thing's a lie. They didn't throw a little

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bit of truth in there. And I think if we just concentrate on just the

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hijackers, then it's just like with JFK assassination

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concentrating on the mafia, you know. That's a that's a fallback option

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for that. You know, I didn't, I didn't say just the hijackers, uh,

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no, but you said like look at how the hijackers got it because I think,

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I think that's the more of a more viable way to go about this.

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Regardless, I just want to get Ashley in here real quick. Uh, Ashley, give me

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your thoughts just because we're— time flew today, my apologies.

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Done. Go ahead. You know,

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as far as like chiming in on this specific issue, this is not the one

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that I have done the most looking into, right? I think that this conversation is

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good though, it's healthy to have these discussions. And I

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do think that there's a lot of things that don't

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make sense. And the thing that I look at the most is what was

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able to happen based on this event.

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It was decades-long war in the Middle East. It was the removal

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of Saddam Hussein as the leader in

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Iraq when we had already been to war with them. Back in the

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early, uh, early '90s. So it was a complete destabilization

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further in the Middle East. So that's one of the things that I kind of

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look at is like, what was the actual fallout? What was not— what was done

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under the name of that and that we are still dealing

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with today? Um, I think that

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both of you brought up great points, and I do think that it's

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okay if Billy wants to focus on,

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okay, but what is actually provable? That's where, you know,

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his line of thinking— I mean, and not to speak for him, but it's like,

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what is provable right now?

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And then have maybe another category of like, what is speculation but we can never

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prove? And then I understand where Don's coming from. These things don't make sense.

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There's so many things that make no sense. So I think this is

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a good robust discussion on this topic from people that are coming at it from

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different perspectives, but ultimately I think we

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all can agree that there's a lot that makes no sense,

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and there was a devastating fallout from this event from

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our government in the name of fighting terrorists.

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All right, all right. So let me, let me, uh, give my thoughts on a

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couple of these things. Now, I, I specifically said that I still have

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questions on this event. I don't think that anything that I

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presented was out of the realm of the ordinary or offensive

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or, or anything like that, you know, for— or,

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or a backpedal, Don. It's evidence.

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It is evidence that is out there,

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and I am presenting it. It's not a backpedal. I am accepting

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the evidence that is out there, just like you accept

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cannibalism, although you cannot back that up. There is no

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evidence of that, but you accept it because— hold on,

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I, I let you speak for about 20 minutes or something. So,

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so, um, there is no evidence of cannibalism, no real

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evidence. There's a lot of speculation and things that

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we're reading into things, right? So there's

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that, and there's the, the digging your feet down and getting even more radical and

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more radical. We cannot, if we seek

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to have an honest and truthful and,

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and a productive investigation on things like, like September

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11th. We cannot associate ourselves with,

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ah, these people are drinking adrenochrome and they're, they're cannibals and

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all of this shit unless we can prove it, and we can't. So I would

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like to separate the 9/11 discussion is

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what I would like to do, separate it. And when evidence that,

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that, um, is contrary to what we've been taught

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in the alternative media presents itself, we should evaluate it.

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And if it makes sense, we should accept it. And saying that things

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don't make sense don't make them a fact of

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whatever you were thinking in your mind. They just don't make sense, and they don't

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make sense for a reason— because we don't understand them.

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We have to try to understand the things that don't make sense.

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Not jump to wild speculation just because they don't make sense.

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We try to fill in the gaps of things that don't make sense

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for us. So it— this doesn't make sense, therefore it has to

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be this and it can't be anything else. And that's

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the problem with the alt media, and that's the problem with what has happened a

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lot in, uh, in September 11th lore,

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you know. So, uh, that's my issue with it. Um, I don't think anything

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that I presented was, was wrong,

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or, or I don't know, anti-9/11 conspiracy or anything

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like that. I want to prove what's going on here,

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and I want to do it in a fact-based,

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evidence-based manner. And there, there is evidence here that I've

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proven that other things that people are like, how can it happen? It's happened before,

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reportedly. Unless there's one big world conspiracy where

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all this evidence is planted in different um,

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different, uh, events to, to have somebody

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that is actually digging come up with that evidence and say, oh, look, look,

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look what's happening here. And I, I don't view the world in that fashion.

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Also, uh, one thing, and then I'll, I'll let you guys go and we'll

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wrap up. You— and this is what I mean about, about evidence that you

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want to believe. You talk about a van that R.B. Hamm was talking about.

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That was a— it was a white van. There was no freaking drawings

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on it. That was taken out of context. It was a mural. We had the

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video on yesterday. On my show. Video? What video of what?

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What video of the van? Somebody took a picture of it that day.

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That it, it was changed after time,

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uh, for people that wanted to. And of course, because you, you laugh

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because you want, you want that to be real. You want that van to be

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true. You want that mural to be a thing. It is not.

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And, and, and because it, because it, it got turned by conspiracy

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circles into a thing at one point then that, that fits your worldview,

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so you want to accept it and you want, you want to buy it in.

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I am not about that. I am about what makes sense, what's real.

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I don't care if it fits my worldview. I don't care. I want, I want

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to know the truth. That's what the truth movement is supposed to be about,

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and that's what I would challenge everybody else to, to try

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to do. It is very difficult. I'm not the best at it. I'm not even

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close to being the best at it. I'm just sharing here. What I found.

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So I— all the visceral reactions that I'm getting from this is incredible to

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me when I am just pointing out that, hey, other passports have been

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found in other wreckages similar to what happened. Look, other steel buildings

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have fallen. It's— they're facts. You don't want to accept

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them, that's fine, but you don't want to accept the facts and you're not honestly

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moving towards the quote-unquote truth. That's just

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the way I'm, I'm coming about it. All right, Don Jeffries, Ashley, and then we're

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getting out of here. What's up? Yeah, just, just real quick, but you know,

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because you're talking about evidence. And, and this is, again, I've heard this all my

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life from JFK assassins. It's the exact same talking points I've heard over

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and over again. Where's the evidence? There's no evidence of this.

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The problem is the official stories have— there's no evidence

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for the official stories. There's nothing. No,

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there isn't. You don't want to accept it. And some of the things I don't

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want to accept, and I'm willing to say that, but there is actual evidence that

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things are true. Not the entire official story is nonsense. You— because the

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NIST report, a lot of the things in there are true and correct and factual.

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Well, you can always find things. That's why I found about the jumpers. But I'm

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saying that in terms of the, the overriding thing,

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that 19 crazed Arabs with box cutters and plastic

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knives were able to take over 3 different airliners, and that they flew around for

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an hour and a half, uh, in, uh, for almost

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an hour and a half, or the greatest defense system the world's ever known didn't

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do anything when they sent fighter jets up with just a few months before with

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Payne Stewart. They did nothing. The Pentagon cameras weren't working. Again, these— this

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is all there. They have to prove— if they were in court, they have to

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prove something happened. And we can raise doubts, to put it mildly,

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about everything they claim. Yeah, I, I don't speculate. I'm not

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telling you who I think— I thought the dancing Israelis are interesting, the Israeli

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art students. I'm not saying I know exactly who did it.

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Donald Trump's— uh, Rumsfeld's, uh, $2 trillion missing

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from the Pentagon the day before is interesting. All those things should be investigated.

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But again, is this— the idea is that it shouldn't be. And people are going

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to speculate from the JFK assassination on because we don't have

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an honest media. If we had a real honest media, talk to Muhammad Ali's father.

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That brings down your story right there. If he was at— he was obviously didn't

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survive that. How was he alive the next day? They didn't care. They weren't interested.

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They called it a conspiracy theory. Apparently his father is a conspiracy theorist

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say it. So that's the kind of thing— nothing is ever— it's left to us.

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None of us are professional journalists, but most of us citizen journalists do a much

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better job than these guys do because there's no

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investigating going on from the JFK assassination on.

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They never ask the questions. They ever ask the questions here? All this stuff has

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been brought up by people online and in a few

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books because you didn't— people were already not reading books after 9/11 like they

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did the JFK assassination. But that's all I'm saying is that the official

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case is lacking. If they can try to prove that,

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that some of the things we said is not true, well, it certainly is possible

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that everything that's said is not true. The holograms and the no

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planes— I'm not saying I, that I can prove that or believe it,

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but I'm just saying that these were, these were developed as

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a result of the official story being ridiculous, as they always

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are. It's not like they Every time they come up with— all you have to

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do is scratch the surface. So I've, I've written 3 books of hidden history now,

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and as I've said, I'm still trying to find one incident

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in history that ever took place that they didn't lie about. I haven't done it

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yet. And something this big, there's no way

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they told the truth about this. This transformed America, eviscerated our civil

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liberties, and created a non-ending war on terror, which makes no sense.

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What is terror? I don't— it's absolutely ridiculous.

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All right, Ashley, closing thoughts.

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I have cat interference over here today,

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but, um, yeah, I don't know. This is a lot of food for thought.

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I kind of said it earlier though, I think that it was a good discussion,

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and I don't get upset by either

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of the things that you guys say. I just think about it, mull it over,

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and try to um, you know,

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come up with my own thoughts about things.

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And I think some good questions have been asked here today and good points have

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been made. So thank you for allowing me to be on the show today.

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Thank you for filling in for Tony. We appreciate you. Uh, somebody in the chat,

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uh, asked what towers, uh, what steel buildings fell.

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Um, I, I discussed this in the beginning. I went through it and here it

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is. So I put it back up for you in, in Tehran. And then White

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Wolf Yo, White Wolf, what's up? White Wolf, how you doing? Listen,

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um, this isn't a discussion on the 3, uh, uh,

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apparitions of, of Fatima, all right?

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Know your role, stay in your lane, okay? Don't,

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don't, don't come— he's like, oh, you don't know what caused

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the, the collapse in Tehran, and you know what

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caused the collapse of the World Trade Centers, I'm assuming, right? Like, come And this

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is what I mean. This is what is doubling and tripling down on, on nonsense,

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you know, that there's nonsense that you know absolutely nothing about. And that's the thing,

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like citizen journalists— I'm not saying people shouldn't look into what they, what they,

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what they, you know, what the stories are, but a

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lot of, a lot of these citizen journalists, quote unquote, is just straight trash.

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And I've been trying to tell you this, this for some time right now in

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the alt media. They're, they're probably leading you up a road

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because, uh, like, uh, um, Twisted says, you know, people say a

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lot of things. They say it, but they rarely prove anything. They just

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go on their feelings and their intuitions and their hunches and let's ask

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questions. And then you make claims that you cannot prove,

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and you turn around and tell them, well, you need to prove your claim.

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They present evidence, you don't accept it. So prove your claim.

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Prove your claims. And you have not. You have not been able to do

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it. And, and the majority of the alt media has not been able to do

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it. I give kudos to Richard Gage for at least trying to it.

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But there are tons of people that push back against that scientifically,

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and people will be like, oh, well, they're, they're, uh, stooges, or they're, they're whatever,

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they're with the CIA. Ultimately, you're not an architect

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and you're not an engineer. So that's why I always fell back from that conversation

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whenever they asked me about the controlled demolition of the World Trade Center. I'm like,

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listen, I am not an architect, I'm not an engineer. Go talk to,

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uh, Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth. They'll be able to talk to you about

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that. And this was very early on in my journey when I was doing activism,

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when, when most of you people that are talking crap in the chat

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were sitting in your living rooms picking your ass looking at freaking whomever

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was telling you lies about September 11th. I was out there freaking

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trying to make a difference every year, right?

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So don't give me the bullshit.

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Anyway, we're getting up out of here. I'm sorry we couldn't get

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to the $5,000. I bet you White Wolf, I bet you you're gonna be waiting

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for those $5,000 in your account. I bet you

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you're sitting down praying to Fatima. I'm like, please give me the $5,000.

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It's not showing up, just like the rest of the crap you believe. Anyway,

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we're getting up out of here. Don Jeffries, tell the people where they can find

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you. Uh, if I'm on Substack,

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donaldjeffries.substack.com. I protest. I just wrote about this a couple

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days ago. All— you find me on Twitter. I'm not being,

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uh, banned at this moment, @donjeffries.

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Fantastic. Are you doing any shows tonight? I don't—

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I think, uh, Orbee Ham gave me the night off. I haven't heard, so I

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don't think so. If I do, it would be the sunglasses on, so I don't

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know. Hopefully these will be retired by next week, so we'll see. Hey, Don,

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Don, talk to your people. Talk to your people. Don, Don, you know me.

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You, you've known me for what, 12? No, I, I would never

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call you controlled up, but I, I just say we disagree wildly. That's not the

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point. Am I controlled opposition? No,

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I don't think you're in charge of this. But I've been— again, again, they,

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they— what they're seeing, I think, is a, um,

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a trend towards where if this continues another year or two,

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you may say that you believe 9/11. That's what they're seeing,

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is a challenge to their core beliefs, and they can't handle it.

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That's what they're seeing. People that say stuff like that— I'm not saying everybody can't

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handle it, but people that say stuff like that— I'm not controlled opposition. I'm in

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my freaking kitchen. If I was controlled opposition, at least I can get some money

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out of this. It'd be nice, right?

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But now if you do— if you do get— start getting money all of a

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sudden, then that's what people are definitely going to think, that I'll suddenly come into

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a lot of money. If I start getting money, I'm gonna split it with you.

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So, so you would be controlled. Yeah, yeah,

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just giving you a heads up. Ashley, tell the people where they can find you.

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They can find me over on my Linktree page, which is Linktree

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Think Change Repeat. And you can find the links to my Think

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Change Repeat podcast, which by the way, I had the America

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Unplugged hat trick. This was unintentional, but I had Don Jeffries,

01:00:08.266 --> 01:00:12.137
Billy Ray Valentine, and Tony Ardiburn 3 weeks in a row. So that

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was pretty cool. And then you can also find links to my,

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um, kind of hidden history and a little bit of woo show that

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I do with my friend Sean called Fool Me Twice. And last night we had

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some fun and we talked about cryptids. So it's a little bit— there's a lot

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there, but please feel free to, uh, check that out. Thank you.

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Fantastic. My name is Billy Ray Valentine, Gorilla Underground. I don't

01:00:35.662 --> 01:00:39.687
think I'll be going live tomorrow, but I am producing an episode. I got a,

01:00:39.896 --> 01:00:43.442
uh, an interview coming up, um, as we seek

01:00:43.507 --> 01:00:47.198
to, uh, do things in an evidence-based

01:00:47.698 --> 01:00:51.851
type of way over at the Gorilla Underground. Um, so I will produce

01:00:52.351 --> 01:00:55.205
that and, and put it out, uh, gorillaunderground.podbean.com.

01:00:55.686 --> 01:00:58.716
Gorilla Underground on Apple Podcasts, um, and on Podbean,

01:00:59.149 --> 01:01:02.675
and I'll put it up on YouTube, uh, also on the Gorilla Underground YouTube channel

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if you, uh, so choose to listen. Um,

01:01:06.859 --> 01:01:09.359
stay up everybody. I understand that, um,

01:01:10.273 --> 01:01:13.863
it's, it's, it's not easy to, to hear things

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that, that are diametrically opposed to what you

01:01:18.643 --> 01:01:22.118
believe. Um, somebody in the chat says I can't handle challenges

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to my beliefs. Um, I believed

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probably not what you believe, but I believed some crazy shit, and I was challenged

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and it all fell apart.

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Okay, what do you want me to tell you? You know, um, so there is

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that. I was challenged and, and they presented me with evidence, not speculation,

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not I think, oh, this is suspicious.

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It's like evidence, and, and it all fell apart. Like, oh,

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oh yeah, that was a bunch of shit, wasn't it?

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Right? And I got to deal with that every day. I had to deal with

01:01:57.499 --> 01:02:01.448
that every day. I got to think about how much shit I consumed

01:02:02.451 --> 01:02:04.376
for 10 to 15 years of my life.

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It's not fun. Join me.

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Misery loves company. Not that I'm miserable at all, but join me in,

01:02:13.800 --> 01:02:17.017
in the voyage, in, in, in the voyage outside, out of the

01:02:17.517 --> 01:02:21.168
rabbit hole. Goodbye. Goodbye rabbit hole. Let's do it together. You don't want to stay

01:02:21.668 --> 01:02:24.915
there. You want to get out. Unless you do want to stay there, in which

01:02:24.963 --> 01:02:28.132
case, happy hunting. My name is Billy Ray Valentine. We're getting

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up out of here. All right, everybody take it easy. God bless you from Controlled

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Op World. Bye-bye. Boom. We're still on the air.

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We're still on the air.