I Protest with Donalde Jeffries - Dr. Shiva: From Inventing Email to Exposing the Swarm — Building Bottoms‑Up Power

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And welcome to iProtest. This is Donald Jeffries coming to you from just outside the swamp

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and fest of Washington, D.C., as we do every Friday at this time. I have a very special

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guest today, Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai is the inventor of email, scientist, entrepreneur, Fulbright

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scholar, holds four degrees from MIT, including his Ph.D. in biological engineering, started

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seven successful high-tech companies, providing thousands of jobs in Massachusetts. His life

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has been about solving very tough problems by identifying the root cause, bringing together

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people to innovate real solutions. Now he wants to serve America beyond left and right

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to deliver solutions we need and deserve. Most importantly, Dr. Shiva is one of us,

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not another lawyer or lobbyist or politician. Dr. Shiva, honored to have you on the show,

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sir.

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Great to be here. Thanks, Don.

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I read your biography. It's inspirational. You call them untouchables in your country.

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Some of us call them peasants, riffraff, wretched refuse. That's the way they look at, unfortunately,

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most of the world's population. It's great. There's not much upward mobility here or in

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any of the countries. So it's wonderful you've risen to where you have. But what made you

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I tell people in my background, in terms of I was always a radical thinker. From the time

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I was a teenager in the mid-70s, I was helping Mark Lane in the JFK assassination as a volunteer

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because I was going down that rabbit hole then. So I always looked at things differently.

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I didn't have an epiphany. Were you a normie, or did you have an epiphany at one point,

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or did you always question things? How did you get to the point where you got these toes

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in the conspiratorial waters?

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Well, Don, I think everyone has a journey in their life. And at some point, you're presented

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with an option. Either you take personal responsibility for your own life and your own future,

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or you outsource that responsibility to somebody else. And I think that's really the... It's not

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left versus right. It's not black versus white. Those are not really the fundamental questions

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and not really the fundamental things. I think when you look at the world, it's those people

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who decide, in spite of whatever conditions they grow up in, they have some set of circumstances

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that... And I'm not sure exactly the dynamic of why this occurs, but there's a set of people

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who take responsibility for their own future, in spite of anything. And then other people

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sort of succumb to the way things are. So in my situation, having grown up in a... I mean,

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I've been here since... Jesus, 55 years in the United States. I'm 62. I grew up in India for

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the formative periods of my life, until I was seven. But in that world of India, it was quite

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a diverse world because you grew up in a culture where... Within India, a world within world where

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I had... I grew up in a small village in the summer times, a third of my life. And then

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in a city called Bombay, two very different extremes. It's like going from deep, let's say,

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backwaters, Mississippi, all the way to Manhattan, that kind of environment.

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And then in a world where there was extremes in wealth, and the fact that there was a caste

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system in India, your basis in your existence was sort of the birth lord who was determined

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what caste you were born into, and all the prejudices that went along with that.

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And having been exposed to that, my goal was to figure out why was I being treated very

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differently as a five-year-old kid, four-year-old kid? And that led to my interest in politics.

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Now, I could have easily gone a different direction, you see? But I didn't. And then

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I grew up in a world where I experienced different systems of way people approached the way they saw

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the world. My grandmother looked at the world from a traditional medicine point of view. She

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was the village shaman. She was a healer. I mean, wild stuff that you would call something

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out of National Geographic, some indigenous people, a culture. And then, so I was exposed

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to these worlds of contradictions in the societal world, health care, and that's really what drove

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me. But I think the decision I made, I was like, why is the world like that? And I wanted to

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understand it, you see? And I wanted to really peel away the layers to discover it. And so when

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my parents came to the United States, it was really deeply ingrained that this was a huge

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opportunity, you see? Because the immigrants, many of the immigrants, even up until the 70s,

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who came to the United States, they were leaving their country, and they were taking this voyage

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in many ways to the unknown. Very adventurous people, my parents were. I mean, they actually

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had jobs in India. You know, they didn't have to leave. They could have just been comfortable.

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So, and that's what America was built on in many ways. In retrospect, it was built on

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this environment of if you had personal responsibility, or if you didn't, you could

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go as high as you wanted, or you could end up in the gutter, you know? It gave this infinite sense

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that in other countries, there's some tolerance, you know, on both extremes. But in the United

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States, there was that sense, right? So I was ingrained the fortune that we had coming here,

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ingrained into such a level that you better make something of yourself, you see what I'm saying?

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So that put me on a path to, in some ways, a lot of personal responsibility. By the time I was 14,

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I was going to New York University in a computer science program, and I was mowing lawns. I used

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to make my own money. I've been working literally since I was 13 years old, you know? I had a full

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time job when I was 14 while finishing up high school as a scientist, as a research fellow.

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So that's the trajectory I went on, and all of this was done outside of any type of

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ordained institutions, you see? It came from within. The cooperation of my family, you know,

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mentors. So that created me. So here at the age of 14, I create email. Before I came to MIT,

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in a small medical college, right? Through sheer hard work, a discipline focus, you know,

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and an environment in a small medical college. Email was not done by the military industrial

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complex. It was done in a small medical college by a 14-year-old Indian American kid.

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And that is a very important story because it shows that what an individual can do,

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if they take that path of personal responsibility and have a community, a collective community of

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other people who support that. You know, in that medical college, people were 30,

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40 years older than me. They treated me as an equal, and they gave me this environment

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where I could prosper. So it was pretty clear to me that an individual could do incredible things.

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If they took, had a vision of what they wanted to go, a goal, you know, and I was taught to

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meditate when I was a very, very young kid, the concept of visualizing something and creating

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some type of order for yourself in the midst of a lot of chaos that I grew up in and to achieve

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things. So to me, that, whatever that framework that I learned has compelled me to, you know,

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really have this discussion with you. So when I went to MIT, I didn't even know about MIT until

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two weeks before I applied. Okay. It wasn't like I was wanting to go to MIT. Many people go to

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MIT, like, I want to go there. I didn't even know about it until two weeks. Got in very fortuitously,

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came to visit MIT. And I mentioned this many, many times, but it's important to mention this.

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I had no interest in coming here to Boston. I found these people, the very uni-dimensional,

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they look crazy. These nerds who look 80 years old walking around there, but it didn't feel right.

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It seemed like a very unhealthy institution. I did decide to come here because one of my

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teachers said, you like Boston, it's a city. It wasn't like the town that I grew up. And so that,

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and then if you look at my trajectory from 1981 till today, there were two paths.

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One was the political path of understanding of systems of governance, systems of injustice work.

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I mean, I created a newspaper at MIT, led many, many protests or, I mean, nothing has really

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changed. You can talk to friends of mine and they'll say, Shiva's still the same. Shiva,

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we knew, you know, his analysis of politics beyond left and right, exposing Zionism. It really hasn't

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changed. By the way, Thomas Massey went to MIT. I never saw him come to an anti-Zionist protest.

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Okay. This is a new thing he suddenly got into. Okay. So it wasn't something in vogue that I did,

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John, just as an aside. And then when it came to science and medicine, very deeply interested in

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understanding how you actually heal people and understanding the body as a system. That too,

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never changed. Today that resulted in the development of cytosol and system cell,

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clean food certified, all these global solutions. So my point is, you know, when I decided to,

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and by the way, I never, I've always told people that the, if you just run for politics,

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like the electoral system, oh, I want to be a Senator. I want to be, that's a very, very

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vain or useless goal. But if you recognize that, if you want to build a bottom step movement,

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when you really do the analysis of what actually changes the world, it ultimately comes down to

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individuals who take personal responsibility and those group of individuals getting together

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collectively. And that collective movement of individuals who themselves know that they have

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to have personal responsibility is what actually is a movement. A movement cannot be someone saying,

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oh, join my movement, you follow me. You see, that's not a movement. That is what we today

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call grifters and social media influencers, followers. So when, you know, we launched

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Truth Freedom Help, which is our movement, we educated people on precisely what I'm educating

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you now on Don, which is, or sharing with you, this idea of there is a science to actualizing

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your personal responsibility or to understanding the universe, you're the same, and that's system

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science. And so that's the journey that really got me here. Why I decided to do that, I'm not sure,

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but I was compelled to do that. And if you look at Massachusetts as a microcosm,

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65% of Massachusetts are independents. In the last two years, you know, the Democrats were 35%.

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Now they've dropped to 28. The Republicans, which are a useless organization in Massachusetts,

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were 10. Now they're six. So in a state, and by the way, in a country of independence,

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and I did a talk on this yesterday, so you have most people

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intuitively moving away from these corporate parties, but they are still brainwashed to

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thinking you have to vote for these individual parties. Well, I was going to say that's because

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isn't that an inherent contradiction there? Because Massachusetts has some of the worst

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war. You ran against Elizabeth Warren, and by the way, it takes a real Indian to beat a fake

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Indian. That's one of the great campaign slogans. You should have won on that alone. And now you're

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running inside, right? I mean, these are clear politicians. So let's talk about that. I mean,

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I did a, you know, every Thursdays, to let everyone who's listening know, every Thursdays,

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you can go to truthfreedomhealth.com. We do an open house. We do it at 11. And then we do it

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again also at 8pm. And it's an opportunity for people to, you know, interact and meet other

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people so they don't feel lonely, like there's no one else out there wanting to change things.

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But fundamentally, what you realize is, so if, and just take Massachusetts as, and by the way,

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this is true everywhere, but if you take Massachusetts as the test case, okay.

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So here you have a state, 65% of the voters here are independents, unenrolled. That's what the

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official, they don't believe in either party. And the growth of independence has been escalating.

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Those under 25, 96% are independents now. Okay, so basically, you have people decided they don't

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like these parties. But yet, every year, they're compelled to go vote for those parties. Now, how

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does that occur, Don? How so it's literally like, you have a birdcage, a bird, a canary's in there.

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A canary's in there, the birdcage is open, and the bird is unwilling to go out for its own freedom.

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Now, the only way that could occur, if you just think about it, it's a great thing to understand

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why. And that's what I did this talk yesterday on. It's occurring because it's actually behaviorally

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being engineered. And it's a larger context of what's going on in the United States. The United

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States has all these freedoms, the Bill of Rights. So the swarm, as I call it, people go to

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shatter the swarm.com to understand what that means. But I don't view the swarm as any one

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group. It's a much more of a decentralized organization of the establishment. It's a

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much more precise way of looking at it. But those in power were forced, because of the history of

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America to give these Bill of Rights. Independence, okay. But they didn't like to do they didn't

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really want to do that. So if you've given the Bill of Rights, how do you control people?

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Well, you have to mentally control them. This has to be engineered. And as a, in a biological

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engineer and a systems biologist, I can tell you there's three types of intelligence humans have.

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One is a very low form of intelligence, the lowest sort of base intelligence,

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which is a primal instinctive piece, right? Which, you know, you can tell people that person's black,

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you should hate them, right? Well, that person's like this, right? It's like sort of the animal

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instinct you can bring up in people in all the seven deadly sins reside there. The next type

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of intelligence is a more intellectual kind, right? Where people can think rationally, oh,

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two plus two is four, right? It's logic, right? That comes into, you know, solving a math problem

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or writing a brief for a legal case. And then the highest form of intelligence is wisdom, intuition.

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So what the swarm, the elites have done is they have wanted to make sure the vast majority

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of people, even though they have the Bill of Rights in the United States, operate at that

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primal instinctive level, out of fear, out of reaction. And in order to do that, you have to

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behaviorally engineer that. So when people are not compelled by all the stuff over time, they're

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like, shit, I don't want to be a Democrat or Republican. I want to be independent. So they're

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moving away. So there's something inside them that compels them to do that. But when they-

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But do you think, I mean, because you're exactly right. I think most people are independent,

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but doesn't that, and I know you were involved in the questioning the 2020 election, as a lot

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of us were. So I'm wondering at this point, don't you feel that the process itself is rigged no

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matter what the people think? Because I mean, if 65% of Massachusetts, maybe they just don't vote.

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But I mean, if more, if these people are independent, then they should

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attract, be attracted to someone like you, or certainly, they should be turned off by people

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like Elizabeth Warren or Mark. It's like people in South Carolina, how do they keep reelecting

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Lindsey Graham? How do they defeat Thomas Messi? Yeah, let me tell you how they're doing it. Okay.

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So just follow this with me, because it's, I mean, I've thought about this for many, many,

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you know, years, and I was able to articulate it only recently, you know, package it into a way

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that people can really understand it. A lot of what we do in our movement for Truth for Health

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is to not just make slogans, but to educate people. But if you look at it, if you can follow

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me with this, Don, that they do need to engineer this. Okay, that's how they keep the bird. So

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people are going independent, the cage is open, they don't want to leave, they still keep voting

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for their master. How does that happen? Well, what they do in every two to four election cycle,

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whoever is running in a state election, in a federal election, presidential election,

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what do they do? Two parties, they make it all or nothing. If you vote for him,

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it's the world, the world is going to evaporate, there will be Armageddon, right? Go look at every

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election. This is the most important election, Reagan versus Mondale. This is the most important

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election, Clinton versus Trump, this, right? So, and both wings of the media establishment,

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their media, manipulate 300 million people into this environment, I call it the fear factory.

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This is the most important thing. Oh, wait a minute, there's Don Jeffrey, he's running over,

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he's a great guy, he's independent. Well, that doesn't matter, we can't talk about that right

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now, it may be good. This is the most important election. Do you see what I'm saying? And that

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is brainwashing. So they make people, and they pummel it over and over again. So one is this

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mechanism, and they have these five ways that they do it. So they hit you with, it's five

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different, they inject five different things into people's brain. One is this is the most important

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election. And then they make it about two people, this side and that side, right? This side and that

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side. And they manufacture this existential crisis in every situation. And they tell you their brand

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is the best. And if you vote for this guy, the opposition, the entire country will collapse.

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You know what I'm saying? And just go look at every election, right? They do this. They'll do

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this in 2028, every presidential, even in the Senate race, you must vote for blah, blah, blah.

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Otherwise, everything's going to go to hell, right? So now they got people, they use things

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like this is a final battle. So when they are pummeling this to people like, oh, shit,

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they forget they're independent. There's an independent candidate running. There's an

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independent movement. Oh, we can't build a movement now. He can't win though. He can't

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win. That's another one. That's one of the five tactics. I'll get to that. But you see,

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they have to create this massive dialectic, good versus evil, right? Like some Marvel comics game.

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And they bring people into that. So that's one approach that they take. And the second approach

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that they do is then to what you were saying, they basically have one candidate, you know,

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they can point to and say, this candidate is really bad. If he comes in the world,

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this guy's corrupt. He's a pedophile. Yeah, he embezzled money. He did this.

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He's your nose. Yeah.

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Yeah, he's bad, but he's better than this guy. Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don, you're right. That

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guy's bad, but this guy is really bad. So we better go for him. So what they're doing in that

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the lesser of two evil strategy, tactic number two. So when they do that, Don,

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mentally what they're telling people is you can't really be eating like really great food.

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You must be okay eating McDonald's. It's okay. So you're lowering people's standards.

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So you are viscerally taking people away from their own interests.

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And you're every time you do that, people are saying, I guess I really don't deserve the best.

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It's okay if I have a criminal and a pedophile or in the other case, someone who, you know,

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embezzled money over here because they're much better than this other guy. Right. So what they

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do in that process in that brainwashing behaviorally, they're saying, wow, Dr.

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Shiva is amazing. He's one of us, but I can't have him. I don't deserve him. Right. Like the

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bird saying, I better just eat the slop in my cage. I don't deserve to go out and free and fly

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and get what I want. So this is again, socially engineered. It comes from behavioral engineering

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that BF Skinner developed at Harvard. You know, that all of this is highly, highly engineered.

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Otherwise there's no reason a bird would stay in the cage when he's already declared his freedom

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to some extent. So that's number two. The third way that they do it is what I call the spoiler,

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what you just said. Okay. The spoiler narrative. Right. They basically tell people there's no way

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you can win. Okay. You can't win. They convince people that mathematically you can't win, even

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though in Massachusetts or in the country, 65% of people are not only the majority, they're the

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super majority, but they convince people the majority is told you can't win. It's a wasted

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vote. You ever heard that? Why are you voting for that? Of course. You're wasting your vote.

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I wasted most of my votes, Dr. Shiva. Let me tell you, I voted third party all the time.

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Right, right. But you as a person who gets this, the other, so 65% are super majority,

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give you the actual math. So think about it in Massachusetts. Again, you can apply this in

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every other part of the country. 7% now are Republican, 28% are Democrats. So what's that?

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35. Okay. 65% independent. So clearly if the independents voted independent, none of these

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guys would win. So how do these guys win? If you look at the data in Massachusetts of those 65%,

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25% of the 65 or 30% historically go to the Democrats. 30%. So 30, I'm sorry, 40%. Okay.

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35% to be precise. Sorry. 35% of the 65 go to the Democrats, 35 plus 25, they get 60.

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Okay. The remaining 30 go over to the Democrats, I mean, Republicans. So they have engineered

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the independents not to be unified for their independence, but to split them.

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Okay. So this is highly engineered because they keep pummeling that super majority with these

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things, right? Oh my God, this is the final election. You got to vote for this one,

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Tweedledee or Tweedledum. There's no way you can win and the lesser of two evils.

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And there's two other very interesting things that they do in this. So you can't just, it's a

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multi-combination therapeutic that they're hitting people with. Okay. The media does what's called

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redlining. Okay. They isolate the independent and they make sure that that person never,

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never, ever gets any media attention. Even though the person is a bona fide candidate,

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like in 2018, when I ran against a fake Indian, Elizabeth Warren, we had a massive movement,

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people, fake Indian, real Indian, people loved it. We'd be driving along, people would stop

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our bus, want the sign, ran the picture of me and Warren. It was an amazing ad campaign. I mean,

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it's probably one of the best campaigns in election history. But in order to contain that,

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they illegally did not allow me on the debate stage because they knew if I got on the debate

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stage for five minutes, it's over for them, Don. And I don't mean to say this with arrogance, but

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I speak well, I can communicate to every set of people and people see me, they go, shit,

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that guy's one of us. They cannot allow that. So they create their own culture wars among themselves

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and then they keep out people with actual solutions. And then the final thing that they do is

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everything, and this is the fourth tactic, fifth tactic, everything becomes tribal divide and

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conquer. They make every issue a cultural issue, not an economic issue, you know, a culture one.

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Oh, you know, they take issues which are cultural issues. Immigration, they have no interest in

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solving immigration either way. I wrote a book called Deportation Theater. At any point, the

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Democrats and Republicans, whoever's in power, Obama at most deported 3.7% of the 14 million

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population. And he was called deporter-in-chief. Trump did 2.8%. So neither wing, so what they do

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is a billionaire class needs the 14 million illegal immigrants. 40% of Texas construction runs by

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illegal immigrants. 60% of Florida, hospitality runs by illegal immigrants. Those are two of the

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biggest red states. Texas, Florida, right, which has half of the billionaires in the United States.

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California has the other half by and large. I'm sorry, quarter of the billionaires, Texas, Florida

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has the other quarter. All of farming in the United States would end because 80% of the illegal

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immigrants are used for migrant labor to pick fruits and vegetables. So the billionaire class

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cannot run without illegal immigrants. That's how they make all their profits. But in order to keep

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the white working class wages suppressed even further, they always attack the brown people or

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the yellow people or the black people or even those white people, right, the Irish and the Italians,

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the immigrants, to lower the wages of the indigenous people, right, and to make sure the

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whoever is indigenous locally does not unite with the immigrant class. So this is engineered,

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so they only deport 3%, make it always a central issue. So, you know, the immigration bill isn't

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passed. This is all being done as theatrics. The statistic you said, and we all knew it,

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I didn't know the exact numbers, but the fact that Trump has deported a lower rate of people

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than Obama, how many MAGA people that still support him would believe you if you even told

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them that? I don't think they'd believe you. Well, that's why, you know, very few people

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have even analyzed this. I was the first one to really analyze it. And if you understand it as a

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control system, Don, you know how your thermostat in your home works? You set it at a temperature,

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you want to keep it balanced, let's say 72 degrees. If it gets too hot, you know, in the

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summertime, a signal goes to your AC and it blows cold air, and then it goes back to maybe 70,

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and then you let it up, but you're controlling it. So this is what the swarm does with every issue.

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They take issues to make sure, their goal is to make sure people are divided,

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the working class in the United States is divided. And in order to divide them,

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they have to come up with stupid issues. Abortion is always a central issue,

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transgender, which affects like 3%, immigration, which has no interest in solving. They don't

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take, let's talk about the crumbling roads and bridges. When was that a central issue?

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When was the issue? Trump talked about it, he talked about it, but he didn't do anything about

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it. Right, but it never, there's no massive infrastructure built. No. Right. Why don't

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we talk about the fact that energy is being highly centralized, energy production, right?

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Why don't we talk about communication centralization? So there are big issues,

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which are never bought front and center, but they do bring cultural issues. So you go send ICE

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into Minnesota to fuck up a bunch of people. Minnesota only has 96,000 quote unquote illegal

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immigrants. Why don't you send them into Florida? Where Ron DeSantis is talking a big game. Why

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don't you send them into Texas? Right? There's close to 4 million illegal immigrants or 7 million

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there. So what they do is they create theater, cultural theater, but immigration is a great

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issue because for the last 30, 40 years, since they've been talking about immigration, every

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president has at most deported 3.7%. So the billionaire class, which funds these elections

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must make sure that the working class illegal or non or legal is divided. So what they do is

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they fund the politician Obama to talk about strong borders. So he talks a bunch of shit,

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deports a bunch of people. And what that's doing, it scares the illegal immigrant population. So

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they will lower their wages even further and work in worse conditions. And what that does to the

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white population is they think they're fighting these guys, but it's used actually to keep their

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wages lower. They're saying, well, I could pay illegal immigrants $7 an hour. You should be

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happy. You're getting nine. This is no different than what occurred during pre-colonial times in

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the United States. It was called Bacon's Rebellion. When the white leaders came here, they had the

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white settlers and the black slaves. At one time, the black slaves and the white settlers got

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together. It was called Bacon's Rebellions against their master. And in order to make sure that never

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occurred again, they engineered racism. Racism was created as a weapon. So it's basically white

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on white crime in the United States. It's the white elites manipulating the poor whites.

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And what it does is it actually lowers wages. But what I just shared with you, these five ways

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are how they make sure the bird with the cage open stays in the cage. So the only way out of this

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is educating people on this process, which is what we're consistently doing, and then offering

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people an alternative and telling people the only way you're going to get this alternative, in this

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case, my running for U.S. Senate, cannot occur through the existing infrastructure. It has to be

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a bottoms-up movement, which means individuals quietly learning the system and then rising up.

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Bottoms-up, individual responsibility. So my run for U.S. Senate is not about when people say,

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oh, I'm going to help you, Dr. Shiva, collect signatures. I say, look, time out. You're not

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helping me. I just happen to be a guy who went through my journey, knows my role at this point.

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This is an opportunity for you to realize that you need to exercise your independence,

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your responsibility, and say, this is the kind of guy I want. I'm going to go collect signatures

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for me and my family. So this is a very different consciousness on. So we're not lowering ourselves

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to go do base shit. We did Real Indian, Fake Indian. It was a great slogan because it

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interconnected this primal stuff all the way to the intuitive stuff. We're lifting people up.

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It's not about Elizabeth Warren. It's not racist, but reality was she has no integrity. Everything

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she ever acknowledged your existence, though, or did you pretend you didn't exist?

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No, they had to acknowledge our existence. We were the one who forced her to take the DNA test.

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Oh, OK. And they had to sprinkle in Peruvian genes. It was so bad for Elizabeth Warren. We

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had a huge bus. Big sign, only the Real Indian can defeat the Fake Indian. Picture me and her

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in the headdress on my property in the building I own in Cambridge. She got the city of Cambridge to

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file a suit against me saying you must remove that banner off your bus.

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We sued them back and we won in federal court. OK, so the point is that my candidacy,

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my existence is very valuable for working people because I didn't I have never compromised to the

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swarm ever. And in spite of that. I made these achievements now that reality, Don,

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must be shadow banned. It cannot reach the public. So during 2020, you know, we got like

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three million followers after that. They said, holy shit, this guy is not in the left to right

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camp. How the fuck did we let him get so much views and clicks? We have to contain him. And

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the reason they have to contain me is I'm uncompromised, right? I'm not in one of these

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camps. And in spite of all the shit that occurs to people, I was able to make it through that.

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That story cannot come out, Don, because then it becomes very inspiring to people. Shit,

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how did a fucking 14 year old kid invent email? How did he know which form to fill out? How did

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he write? So people start thinking I, too, can do that. Right. There's something very powerful

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in the in in the essence of being human that you can't overcome these things.

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So how does and it is inspirational, but how do you how does Zionism factor into all this,

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because what we what I'm most impressed with today is, I mean, I've been I've been at this,

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I've been on these rabbit holes for a long, long time. And something like Zog, the term Zog,

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I remember that that was in the 80s. You couldn't utter that in polite society. Now,

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Candace Owens is saying, you know, to millions of people, everybody that land the left and the right

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is coming together, especially the left, oddly, you know, or correct anything else. And they're

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noticing the power and the influence of Zionism. So how, how do you stand there? I mean, I'm

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assuming you're obviously against the war with Iran. But do you see the Zionist influence?

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First of all, Candace Owens, Thomas Massey, we have to be very, this is a very important

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part of this conversation. These people are opportunists. Okay, and I want to really sort

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of unravel this. So you have the existing wings of the establishment, right? In the US,

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it's Democrat or Republican. In the UK, it's the Conservatives and Labour. In India, it's BJP and

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Congress, whatever, you have these two wings. These wings of the establishment, as we just

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shared, work together, right? Anything that they do acting against each other is to keep the masses

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in the cage, even though the gate is open. All right, so I hope that's clear. The other backup,

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like the backup generator you have, in case the power goes down, is the opportunists. So the

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establishment creates opportunists, opportunism, where they create a stable of people who will

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talk boldly about the oppression of the masses. Okay, at some point, in some issue. But their

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goal is not to free the masses, Don, it's to keep people saying, I will take care of this.

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And to always to bring people back into this form. I'll give you an example, Bernie Sanders,

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right? He's the not so obvious establishment, NSOE, not so obvious establishment. He was created by

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the Democrat establishment to keep people connected, right? Or AOC. Same you have on the

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right, Thomas Massey, Rand Paul, all those guys. They are not telling people, you must build a

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bottoms up movement. What they do is they'll take an issue, and they'll never come in when it's

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really a real issue when you can actually help people at the right time. They wait. Delayed

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truth. Tucker Carlson, as I call him, Tucker Carlson, another CIA agent who's part of this,

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and that's what he is. So what's happened with social media is a swarm has created their

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anointed, quote unquote, influencers, who act like they're saying some stuff, but those same

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people never were silent when the actual issues are going on when you could have impact. I'll

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give you an example, okay? Well, Zionism has been, you know, really started in the mid 40s,

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right? And you can go back to the late 1800s, okay? Zionism is a...

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Bible, sure. Christian evangelicals. Right. Now, when I, in 1981,

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1982, I organized one of the biggest protests at MIT, when Meir Kahane, you may know that guy,

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came to Brandeis, okay? So what, for me, Zionism was very, very important, because I grew up in

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Jersey, where I had a lot of Jewish friends, right? And I grew up in a working class town in New

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Jersey called Persephone, where it's working class Jews. And when I moved to Livingston,

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these were all bougie Jews, who were much more Zionist. They would go to Israel one summer,

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and they come back wanting to kill every Arab, okay? Or Palestinian. So I could distinguish

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between Zionism and Judaism. You know, Judaism being more of an ethnic, you know, connection,

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and Zionism, this political ideology, which is like the Indian caste system, which said,

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we are better than everyone else, and therefore we deserve to treat everyone like shit.

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The chosen people concept. No different than Nazism. No different than Brahmanism.

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So I've been educating, fighting this since 1981. Now, Thomas Massey went to MIT. He wasn't smart

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enough to figure out Zionism back then. I never saw him talking about this. But he does talk about

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it after the butchering in Gaza takes place. Okay? He's been in Congress for 15 years.

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Did he suddenly just have an awakening? Okay? And there was a video that I did long before people

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even used the word Zionist. It got two, three million views. I said, I'm the only candidate

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who is not a Zionist cocksucker. Now, it came out very fluidly, Don. I wasn't even thinking about it.

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And you will see, you can look at that video. And right after that, you can see all these social

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media influencers saying, this is a topic I should also talk about. Because what the social media

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influencers are doing, they watch the win. That's what opportunists do. This is classic political

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opportunism. And nowadays, you can do it even better. So you as an opportunist politician

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are looking for issues to jump on. Suddenly, Bernie Sanders is talking about AI, right? The

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guy doesn't know anything about AI, right? Thomas Massey talks about Epstein and Zionism.

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By the way, he doesn't say it. Okay? Tucker Carlson plays, oh, I still support Israel.

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I love the people there. Because if you look at the history of Tucker Carlson's life,

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he always wanted to get views and clicks. First, he was at liberal CNN. Because it was in vogue

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when CNN first came out. Then he went to Fox. Just I want to disclaimer here, because I have

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to be upfront. Tucker Carlson, I've said lots of good things about him. And Tucker Carlson,

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mainly because he sells a couple of my books in his bookstore, which I was shocked to hear.

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Are you willing to concede in his case, though, that people can, you know, evolve? I mean,

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you had Saul. He became St. Paul on the road to Damascus. Is it possible to evolve like that?

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I don't believe that's what Tucker Carlson is doing. And this is what they take good people

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like you. And let's really look at his look. I know him personally. Okay. In 2020. Here we are

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in Massachusetts, where in the Republican primary, September 2020. We knew we wanted

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and we see the results coming in. And in Franklin County, Massachusetts, this is like

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on the ground. This is not like, oh, Tucker saying some good stuff. So I'm telling you,

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the reality of my experience and others experienced with him.

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Here's a guy wears a bow tie. Father is in the CIA, wanted to be in the CIA.

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There's a very good journals and unheard of wrote a great article. Everything Tucker

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Carlson talked about it, I need to be famous, to be influential. It didn't matter what you

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talk about. It's the goal is to be famous. Fame itself is a asset. And a lot of everyday people

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don't get it. They want to establish a brand equity. And that brand is like building a home

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or building a company that is an asset value. Tucker Carlson doesn't give a fuck about the

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Palestinian people. He doesn't give a fuck about anything except himself. So in 2020,

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when we knew we won the election, I went into the Secretary of State and I said,

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where are the ballot images? Because about every time a ballot goes into a voting machine,

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it creates an image. I wanted all the ballot images so we could assess that I actually

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lose the race. 2020. So we go into the Secretary of State's office. We have a video camera. They

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said we deleted the ballot images. In fact, they didn't even put the preservation feature on which

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is mandated by 52 USC 20701, which is a law. Okay. So right after that, Don, on Twitter,

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I said, the Secretary of State of Massachusetts deleted 1.7 million ballot images. That starts

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going viral. 100,000, you know, retweets all of these. You can find it. I'm thrown off Twitter.

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In the middle of my Senate race, we go then file a lawsuit because, and we find out,

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the government of Massachusetts contacted Twitter to throw me off. Let me repeat that again.

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The government contacted Twitter to throw off a US Senate federal candidate. And we found that

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during cross-examination, no lawyer wanted to take on this federal lawsuit. I had to learn the law,

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and what we uncovered was that there's a backdoor portal between the government,

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a censorship complex, and social media companies. I discovered that.

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Not Mike Benz, not Fokker Carlson, not the Twitter files. And if you go to winbackfreedom.com,

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I send a personal email to Fokker and Glenn Greenwald, who I know through Noam Chomsky.

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Did they do anything? Nothing. So, we go into court the second time, and you'll see it. The

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judge gives me the win. He gives me an injunction. Fokker Carlson, this is the most compelling case

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of US history. The government is using technology to suppress US citizens. In fact, what we also

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discovered was this entire infrastructure, there was a manual. It was what you would call the

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Twitter files, but we discovered it. And we found out that the government of Massachusetts

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didn't do jack shit. He didn't do jack shit. Why? Because I'm not Republican or Democrat,

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and limelight would have come to me. And everyone needs to listen to this, because

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many people who have not been in Hollywood, who don't know these famous people,

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it's hard for you guys to understand. These people claw and pick to get views and clicks.

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That's all they're out for, views and clicks, not the issue. So, if one day you're supporting

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anti-abortion, you'll do that. Another day, if it's invoked to be anti-Zionist, you'll do that.

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It's hard for you to understand that. And Fokker Carlson will put on his faces, acting like he's

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really concerned. What, he suddenly came across this epiphany? He didn't know this was all the

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information he has access to? Bullshit. And you have to be like that bird in that cage, thinking,

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oh, Tucker became, don't take this personally, Don, from Paul to Saul, or Saul to Paul, whatever,

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right? Right. True. Okay. And if you are truly an anathema to the establishment,

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you will be choked and throttled on social media. He's not. Same with Candace Owens.

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And you can also look at it on the other side. So, they create the dialectic. So, these people

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are created, promoted. And the actual people, if they're independent, like myself, even though

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during 2020, explosive views. And they realize, wait a minute. And, you know, I've had, Trump

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invited me to Mar-a-Lago to meet with him. And he thought I would come under the Republican fold. I

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didn't. Right? So, I can go, I have been. So, did you get to meet Trump?

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Not only did I get to meet Trump, they wanted to offer me a position in the government.

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Do you understand that 2020, I was the one who ran the Fire Fauci campaign. I was the one who

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exposed the backdoor portal to Twitter. I was the one who did the fundamental work on election

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integrity. Trump invited me to Mar-a-Lago, after he had endorsed a guy in Massachusetts

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who did election fraud. And I, and I have all the emails. I respectfully refused.

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And I respectfully refused. 99% of people say, oh my Donald Trump, let me go suck his balls off.

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Okay. Sorry to be that lewd about it. But I refused because I'm principled.

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Then I was down in Florida visiting a friend of mine who's a big Trumper. He goes, oh, Shiva,

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you're too, you know, critical. You know, Trump could have changed. Right? He could be, anyway.

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So, to satisfy my friend, I went to visit Trump. Two hour meeting. Dude, the first part of the

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meeting was small room. Trump looked like an old washed up actor. Didn't look like who he looks like.

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And he was praising me, thanking me. You're amazing. My uncle went to MIT. You know,

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I had to endorse that guy, all this bullshit. Anyway, then he said, what do you want from me?

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At least 20 times. He thought I'd come there to get something, which is what 99% of people do,

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Don. I said, look, I really care about these issues and nothing's being done about it.

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That was really the conversation. And then he would take sound bites of some of my conversation,

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which he later used, and Susie Wiles would go in and out of that room. So, two weeks later,

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I said, yeah, I do want to talk to you about something, about creating an institution

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that would really approach election integrity, a bipartisan institute. He didn't want to give

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one penny. Yet, Don, he abused most of my information to raise about a half a billion.

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So, my point is, I can see fucker Carlson there. So, people really have to get their head out of

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their ass and stop going to these bandwagons, because that is how opportunism works. Oh,

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he's saying something so good now. Wow, Bernie is so good. A lot of young people follow Bernie.

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Well, yeah, but let me ask you this, though, because I'm getting a lot of comments in the

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chat that exist. If you understand, it's systems processed, Don. The processes,

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the establishment is very clever. The end goal is to make sure people do not build independent

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movements. And that central concept, again, let me repeat, the goal is to make sure people don't

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take personal responsibility and build independent movements. So, in order to make sure that is not

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done, they have a farm league and people that they keep promoting. Tulsi Gabbard is a fucking

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warmonger. She is not a candidate for peace. She supported the bombing of Gaza. You can go down

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the list. Yet, they take people who are obviously on the other side, but manipulate people to make

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sure that they've gone through Saul versus Paul conversion. It's absolutely the ultimate

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manipulation of opportunism. I understand what you're saying. I agree with you on a lot of them,

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but what do you say to people who say how, because most people are followers. You know,

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human beings are followers. They need somebody to lead. And why I believe that, but who would

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you say? And I agree with you a lot. I mean, Candace Owens, I watched her show a lot. Her

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interview with Hunter Biden was embarrassing. And I don't know how she has any followers left

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after that, but who would you say is not, you know, controlled or it's not, who do you think

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is genuine? Is there anyone, political or alt media? Who? Yeah, let's just, so let me just,

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before I answer that question, I want to ask you a question. Okay. That question itself,

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who do you think is not controlled? You say that question itself, there's a subtext to that

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question. The subtext to that question is as though we have to follow somebody. And this is

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also compelled by saying, who do you think Dr. Sheen is so critical? Who do you think,

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are you so high in mind? You see, that is part of the establishment's manipulation

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to make it think as though we have to follow somebody. Here's the reality.

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I could point to people like Malcolm X, right? I could point to, but ultimately,

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the history that has been wiped out goes counter to what you just said

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that everyone just wants to follow. It's not true. The history of actual change,

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massive change, the creation of the United States, the movements of the 1800s. If anyone in your

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If anyone in your audience is listening, if you have the eight-hour workday today,

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if you have basic rights today, if you have roads and highways and plumbing systems and hygiene,

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where did those come from? They did not come from the Bernie Sanders or the Thomas Masseys

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or the fucker Carlsons of the times. They came from mass movements. And 90%, 99% of

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the history has been wiped out. In the late 1800s, 1886, was the great upheaval in the

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United States. And during the great upheaval and up to the late, early 1900s, masses of working

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people in the United States, independently, decentralized, rose up. Okay? No Democrat,

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no Republican, no fucker Carlson, none of these people. And in 1886, four American workers were

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hanged in the United States for fighting for the eight-hour workday by the government of the

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United States. And that in commemoration of that group of workers, the world working class

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called it International Workers Day, May Day. May Day was started in commemoration of the

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American workers who rose bottoms up. Reagan changed it to Law Day. So think about this.

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Now, why is this important? Because it shows that the United States has a history of the

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American working class rising bottoms up to fight for their rights, independently of someone being,

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following somebody. And in the early 1900s, this came when the stock market crash took place.

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I have seen pictures of at least a million people in Times Square, Blacks and white,

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arm and arm, massive protests. All of that has been wiped out of American history.

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And it was those compelling movements that forced Franklin Delano Roosevelt, the New Deal. So they

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threw bones to the masses. We'll give you social security. Okay, fine. We'll build bridges and

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roads and highways. Fine. We'll build plumbing. And it was those movements and the wins of those,

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some of the reforms that by 1963, measles was wiped out. You didn't need the vaccine. It was

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because of hygiene and public infrastructure. But that infrastructure came from bottoms up

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movements. Now, what I just shared with you, no one talks about quote unquote influencers. No one

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talks about this fact that the American working class led the global workers movement of the

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world. And by 1950, the McCarthy era began. They branded all of these movements as communist,

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run by Russia, the Red Scare. Americans were hanged in the United States, executed.

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So they scared people. And out of that McCarthy era by the 70s arose these two huge parties.

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The Democrats were anointed to be the party of the working class. The Republicans were

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anointed to be the party of the bourgeois. And they split the working class. Now,

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if you want to look at the actual data between 1900 to 1970, and you can look it up, there's

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a RAND report, the wages of the American workers, all income quartiles, the poorest and the richest,

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everything grew. The GDP grew, everyone's wages grew, because there were mass movements on the

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ground. Close to 11,000 strikes took place in the United States, 250 million people.

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I'll repeat that, 11,000 strikes, 250 million people. The guys coming back from World War II

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didn't take any shit. There was no social media influencers. There was no fucker Carlson

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building those movements. It was bottoms up. After 1970, after the hijacking of the actual

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political system took place to today, the number of the GDP has grown. But the first two income

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quartiles, Don, their wages have gone down. So collectively, if you add up all those wages,

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it's around 47 trillion. And what has occurred over the last 50 years, 56 years,

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there is no bottoms up movement. Well, absolutely. I wrote a book about this,

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Survival of the Richest, which talks a lot about it. And one guy you left out was Huey Long,

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who was my all time political hero. And he paid the ultimate price. And he led the share

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our wealth movement, which was ultimately responsible for the 1938 legislation,

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which gave us the 40 hour work week. Because before that, my grandfather worked 365 days

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a year as a security guard. He got to come home for lunch. And that was common. And Huey Long

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wanted a 30, maybe 20 hour work week. In the 1930s, a month vacation for all workers. You know

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what the share of the wealth movement was. They killed him after he accused the Roosevelt

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administration of plotting to kill him on the floor of the Senate, which you can still read.

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I just got to get an award for Huey Long. But again, he was the leader. And after he was killed,

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the share of the wealth movement collapsed. Gerald O. K. Smith led it kind of to the right.

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Well, Don, what happened was Huey Long was one reflection. Huey Long could not have existed.

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Again, to be accurate, there was this massive movement that has been wiped out of American

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history. Huey Long is celebrated, rightfully so. But there was a mass movement all over the United

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States, right? In Milwaukee, Wisconsin, seven American workers were shot by the National Guard

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fighting for the eight-hour workday. So all of these movements have been suppressed. So people

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can say, oh, well, you know, people are dumb. They're all followers. Bullshit. That is the lie.

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That's a big lie. That's a very, very bad lie. And we have to correct people. The American

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working class, the history of America is about people who have ideas. They lead, they compel,

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they organize. So it's very important. So they have to create the CIA. And, you know,

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it's sort of a swarm. It's not like exactly done perfectly, but they give enough leeway

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to promote a Candace Owens, to promote these people and give them their views and clicks.

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If they were truly an anathema to the establishment, they would not be on the

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front page of Daily Mail. They would not get views and clicks because it's very easy to choke

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people on the Internet. Very easy. Don't you don't you agree that they because I come from

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the left and I was a member of the ACLU as a young guy and I was a very radical far leftist.

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The left left a lot of us and we don't talk about late big labor is irrelevant now.

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We don't talk about workers rights or anything. So I agree with you. But where are the you're

566
00:55:59,879 --> 00:56:04,520
right. Everything has been transitioned now into influencers pointing out how corrupt everything

567
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:09,560
is, which it is and how bad everybody is, but nothing ever gets done. But there are no workers.

568
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:14,520
Why aren't the workers talking about A.I. and immigration and CEO salaries and all the

569
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:20,760
talk about it? Well, first of all, there is one movement on this planet, which it isn't.

570
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:25,159
It's a workers movement. It's a movement for truth, freedom, health. Every Thursdays we meet

571
00:56:25,159 --> 00:56:30,280
we're a global movement. So this is why my views are so choked. We have a half a million people

572
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:34,520
globally. We have a leadership. We have an organization and it's all bottoms up, all

573
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:41,639
volunteers, all workers, Don. So, again, you can literally look, I would do a tweet in 2020.

574
00:56:41,639 --> 00:56:47,879
It would get a hundred thousand retweets. I do a tweet now. It gets 50 retweets.

575
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:53,879
So you have to really understand this true people who are compelling people to grow bottoms up

576
00:56:53,879 --> 00:56:59,719
will be shadowed in. People are talking theatrics, putting on faces like fucker Carlson

577
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:03,560
or Candace Owen. I mean, you look at these people, you know, they're actors. They're not real.

578
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:08,360
Anyone who takes these people seriously as fighters is the bird in that cage.

579
00:57:09,959 --> 00:57:16,439
Yeah, but you have to agree that Tucker Carlson, though, I think he's a really good actor if he is

580
00:57:16,439 --> 00:57:20,679
because he's he plays a sincere role better than any of the rest of them to me, at least. Maybe

581
00:57:20,679 --> 00:57:27,159
I'm just being false. I mean, look, if this is the opportunism,

582
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:32,120
is the evil force that the establishment uses to keep people connected to them.

583
00:57:35,159 --> 00:57:39,639
Ask yourself this, Don, if you are truly a force and an affluent of the establishment,

584
00:57:40,439 --> 00:57:48,600
why do you get funded by the same Iranian guy, TCN, who funded JD Vance? Okay. So for God's sake,

585
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:55,560
we can't be stupid anymore. We can't be naive. The establishment is very clever. Every generation.

586
00:57:56,360 --> 00:58:03,639
Look, Bernie Sanders in 2016, a very smart friend of mine, super smart junior fellow at Harvard.

587
00:58:04,679 --> 00:58:10,520
And the Ph.D. scientist, neuroscientist, very smart woman. She was running Bernie Sanders

588
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:17,239
campaign in New England. You know, activists and Laurie came to my home and she said she

589
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:21,879
Bernie is, you know, one of us. I don't know why you don't support him. You're so critical.

590
00:58:22,679 --> 00:58:30,439
Okay. I said, Laurie, mark my words. He will do exactly at the DNC convention with Jesse Jackson

591
00:58:30,439 --> 00:58:37,239
did with Mondale. He will bend over. He will hug. He will hug Hillary Clinton. Mark my words.

592
00:58:37,239 --> 00:58:43,399
And he will give all those votes. No, no, no. You're an asshole. You always critical of people.

593
00:58:43,879 --> 00:58:49,879
I said, Laurie, you're fucking naive. She burst out of my house, throwing a tantrum and left.

594
00:58:49,879 --> 00:58:55,399
I didn't hear from her for two years. Very close friend. Two years later, she calls me crying.

595
00:58:56,120 --> 00:59:00,600
And she says, you were so right. What did Bernie Sanders do on the floor of the Democratic

596
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:04,840
Convention? He all of this is a lesser of two evils, right? They make it that we must support

597
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:13,080
Hillary. I hope people realize that the establishment is very clever. Their core

598
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:18,520
goal is you sit on your ass and you try to rationalize with me. Well, couldn't Tucker

599
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:25,719
Crawford be that, but, but, but fuck the butts. He's not one of us. He's not, he's not our fighter.

600
00:59:25,719 --> 00:59:30,280
And until we get that cleared on, there's not going to be any movement.

601
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:34,520
I agree with you. Obviously nothing, nothing ever changes for the better. I've been waiting.

602
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:38,760
As I said, you know, I've been politically active since I was a little kid and Bobby

603
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:42,600
Kennedy ran for president. And, you know, I cried when he got assassinated. I was crushed

604
00:59:43,159 --> 00:59:48,199
and nothing, everything I followed with the left, I drifted over the far right for a while.

605
00:59:48,199 --> 00:59:53,239
Nothing has ever happened, actually happened politically to make me mad.

606
00:59:53,239 --> 00:59:57,320
Because the left movement has been contained by social Democrats

607
00:59:57,959 --> 01:00:02,520
who talk all the right things, but they actually do not want to build a bottoms up movement.

608
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:06,679
And that is why the so-called left that you were part of, you were being misled.

609
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:12,360
The left was not the left of the left was part of the right. Okay. And the right was really not

610
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:22,280
the right. So the entire left movement since 1980s, since the post Vietnam era, look at the

611
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:28,439
height of the Vietnam era, 1968, if you look at the emerging bottoms up movement, people like

612
01:00:28,439 --> 01:00:34,760
Malcolm X, and you can look at some of the celebrities, you know, singers, right. As a

613
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:40,600
Vietnam movement grew, there was a big bifurcation between people recognizing the Democrats were

614
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:47,320
actually the party of war. Yes, the Republicans wanted to bomb the shit out of Saigon. And Barry

615
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:54,280
Goldwater said that. But Lyndon Johnson was also the warmonger. Right. And it was in 1968,

616
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:59,320
Lyndon Johnson had machine guns on the stage of the Democratic Convention. And then he set out

617
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:04,120
the cops to beat the shit out of these left demonstrators. Up until that point, Don,

618
01:01:05,159 --> 01:01:10,439
the generation of that time thought, oh, Lyndon Johnson is the peace candidate.

619
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:15,239
It was only after that people realized, holy shit, the left and the right are one,

620
01:01:15,239 --> 01:01:20,840
we need to create a bottoms up movement. And that is what ultimately ended the Vietnam War,

621
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:24,840
because the establishment said, shit, people are getting really angry, that could be a true movement.

622
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:32,199
So since that time, there has been a calculated effort to make sure people do not build the

623
01:01:32,199 --> 01:01:40,040
bottoms up movement. And so opportunism was fostered. The Bernie Sanders, the Rand Pauls,

624
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:44,919
the Ron Pauls, nice guys. But they're not into building a bottoms up movement.

625
01:01:44,919 --> 01:01:50,600
They will not talk about what I just said. And this is why the left has been such a failure.

626
01:01:51,879 --> 01:01:55,000
The left. I agree. But what do you say about the right, though? Because the right has been

627
01:01:55,000 --> 01:02:00,760
a failure to Reagan's movement was nothing. And MAGA, what is MAGA? Where do you stand on MAGA?

628
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:09,239
So, so approaches from a mechanic standpoint, Don, number one, the goal of the establishment

629
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:15,320
is to make sure a bottoms up movement never emerges. OK, just follow. So that's a goal.

630
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:19,879
Of course. All right. So in order to make sure that doesn't happen, you create two.

631
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:27,159
You create this dialectic left and right, and you create two brands, Republican, Democrat,

632
01:02:27,159 --> 01:02:31,639
donkey and elephant. And then you have the establishment wings of those like the shoulders

633
01:02:31,639 --> 01:02:41,080
of a bird. OK. Reagan, Mondale, Clinton, whoever it is, right, Bush, Bush. OK, so that's the

634
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:46,360
establishment wing. But that bird cannot fly and sustain itself without its wings.

635
01:02:47,159 --> 01:02:52,600
So it has the left wing and the right wing. So the left wing talks a bunch of shit,

636
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:58,600
will even attack the shoulder. Of the Democrats, right, AOC will talk about the Democrat

637
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:06,360
establishment, you know, blah, blah, blah. Bernie Sanders, the right had emergent properties of that

638
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:12,520
like the Tea Party. Trump and MAGA was really the wing of the Republican establishment,

639
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:18,520
which had not existed until Trump came along. So they needed because after Obama for eight years,

640
01:03:19,159 --> 01:03:22,840
the working class in the United States, black and white, were very disillusioned.

641
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:27,159
So they were going to leave and do what? Start a bottoms up movement. So they create MAGA.

642
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:33,399
By the election integrity analysis I did, which was unbiased, the data shows that Hillary Clinton's

643
01:03:33,399 --> 01:03:40,520
election was stolen by Trump. And I've looked at the data, so Trump was anointed because the

644
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:47,879
establishment needed MAGA to keep the white working class within its wings. So they created Trump.

645
01:03:47,879 --> 01:03:56,040
They created MAGA. MAGA was the wing of the right wing, OK, of the Republican establishment.

646
01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:59,479
And ultimately, as I predicted, who did ultimately Trump support?

647
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:05,479
Lindsey Graham. It says it's right in front of you repeatedly.

648
01:04:05,479 --> 01:04:10,600
Yeah, right. But I'm saying that until people understand this mechanics, they're going to follow

649
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:15,159
fucker Carlson, Bernie Sanders, then jump. It's like being a political prostitute.

650
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:21,239
Oh, my God. Tucker said some great things. Fuck Tucker. In the middle of 2020, he had an opportunity

651
01:04:21,239 --> 01:04:26,120
to break the most important story and he did nothing. He is delayed truth. He never does shit

652
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:32,840
at the right time, only risk opportunities for him to get views and clicks. And if you don't get this,

653
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:36,760
you are really, really sorry, dumb. They're manipulating you.

654
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:43,800
OK, well, I want I want to and obviously there's a lot to that. I want to bring the people in here

655
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:48,840
if it's OK with you to see if anybody wants to jump in. You're an intimidating guy. So I don't

656
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:53,479
know if anybody's going to try to get in here, guys. I'm putting the link in the chat. So if you

657
01:04:53,479 --> 01:04:58,760
want to jump into the ring here with Dr. Shiva and you have questions or comments, the link is in

658
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:03,879
there. You guys you guys know the trick. So we'll see if anybody dares to step up. But, you know,

659
01:05:03,879 --> 01:05:07,879
I I understand what you're saying and we agree. But I just wonder, you know,

660
01:05:07,879 --> 01:05:11,879
because you're going to step up. The issue is I really want people to understand this because I.

661
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:17,879
When you spend your life analyzing something, really understanding it, you know,

662
01:05:18,679 --> 01:05:22,280
right, you really understand what the hell's going on. It's it's engineering science that

663
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:26,840
they're doing. These people are engineering people and they have it down to a science.

664
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:33,399
They have it down. Tucker Carlson is a wheel in their cog. He's created by them.

665
01:05:33,399 --> 01:05:40,199
Again, if he's truly an anathema, why is he promoted? I got you. I got you. But before I

666
01:05:40,199 --> 01:05:43,320
bring because we've got a couple of people want to come in already. But before I come,

667
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:48,040
isn't it? Has anybody ever said to you? Because basically when you and I agree with most of what

668
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:53,239
you're saying, I know there's different. There was goes back to when I first was into the JFK

669
01:05:53,239 --> 01:05:57,159
assassination research community. It's filled with shields leading you down the wrong paths,

670
01:05:57,879 --> 01:06:02,280
overblown personalities, people arguing all the time and getting in fights. Nothing ever gets done.

671
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:06,040
But don't you set yourself up for people to say to you, well, what about you?

672
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:12,040
How do we know you're not controlled opposition? Well, you can go look. So one way you can look

673
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:19,399
at somebody, anyone, you can look at their history. You can go look at what I did at 1981

674
01:06:19,399 --> 01:06:23,719
to today. You know, the fact that I've been given, you know, when I went to,

675
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:29,080
after I finished my PhD, I went to Indiana Fulbright. I was appointed by the prime minister

676
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:34,199
of India. They gave me an opportunity to run the biggest scientific establishment there.

677
01:06:34,199 --> 01:06:38,280
At the time when I was married, my father-in-law said, shut your mouth. You'll become one day

678
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:44,439
minister of science and technology, you know, given your car, your home, a mansion, everything.

679
01:06:44,439 --> 01:06:49,800
And in the middle of that, I wasn't really intrigued by any of that because I went back

680
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:54,280
to say, okay, let me give some homage to my grandparents who gave me everything. That's

681
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:58,840
what was my service. And I found so much corruption. I could have stayed quiet, dog.

682
01:06:59,399 --> 01:07:03,639
And 99% of people would have. I exposed that and under death threats, I had to leave India. It's

683
01:07:03,639 --> 01:07:09,719
all documented. Okay. I want people to, cause we've got a, we've got a full house here. People

684
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:17,639
look at people as follow the money. You were given opportunities. Did you take it?

685
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:24,120
Did you compromise? Bottom line is people aren't used to that in today's world. So they're used

686
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:28,360
to people compromising and they think that's the order of the day. All right. We've got Tony,

687
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:31,479
Tony tie here. It looks like he's on the road. Tony, how are you doing?

688
01:07:32,439 --> 01:07:34,199
What do you, what do you have for Dr. Shiva?

689
01:07:35,399 --> 01:07:37,479
Yeah. Good to see you, Don. Thanks for having me.

690
01:07:39,639 --> 01:07:44,520
What I really wanted to say was if you, if you really have a following

691
01:07:46,199 --> 01:07:52,600
and people really hear it, like hearing what you say, you, you're not going to get that ball.

692
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:57,239
And you, you've seen that with the ex Don and you, we get shadow banned everywhere. Like,

693
01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:02,199
you really have a power. It's, it's hard to really have one.

694
01:08:04,199 --> 01:08:08,840
Yeah. So it's, well, you're kind of saying the same thing. I mean, I, I have, and I have people

695
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:13,800
that one of the guys, a lot of black pill people in my audience and thank everybody. But I also

696
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:17,720
say, well, don't you think I'm a shield? They know everybody, but you guys, okay. Well, I guess

697
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:22,279
that's good. Or, you know, they haven't gotten to you yet. So what, so when you have any questions

698
01:08:22,279 --> 01:08:28,040
for Dr. Shiva? No, I've seen Shiva and I like his work.

699
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:38,600
I think Tony, you're making an important point. So what's happened is if you remember

700
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:44,919
about even 10, 15, 20 years ago, there were all these local newspapers. You remember them?

701
01:08:44,919 --> 01:08:50,279
Like in my town, you know, there's like three local newspapers. These were, you know,

702
01:08:50,279 --> 01:08:55,240
run by, yeah, they were run by mom and pop. They had their local newspaper and they'd write

703
01:08:55,240 --> 01:09:01,640
articles. Well, all of those local newspapers have now been consolidated by a big major private

704
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:06,759
equity firm called Arabella. And so, and they put a brand on it. It looks local, but they're not.

705
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:15,000
So you have the consolidation of local media and social media, you know, in 1993, I wrote a book

706
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:19,000
called arts on the internet, you know, and the compelling message was the internet would be

707
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:23,959
decentralized. Tony, you would build your own website, Don, you'd build your own website and

708
01:09:23,959 --> 01:09:29,160
we'd get equal access through search engines. But what ended up happening was that too got

709
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:34,839
consolidated. Four major media companies, YouTube, Facebook control social media, and they have a

710
01:09:34,839 --> 01:09:41,160
direct link to government. So whenever a new technology comes, people get very excited about

711
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:45,479
this is going to give us more freedom and eventually gets consolidated through the

712
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:53,720
capitalist monopoly model forces consolidation. So what could be even AI, AI could be pretty

713
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:59,640
amazing, but it too is being consolidated. The compute is being consolidated, you know,

714
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:07,799
10 major data centers owned by three people, right? So technology comes into being and ultimately

715
01:10:07,799 --> 01:10:13,879
the forces of monopoly capitalism consolidated to the few, it doesn't get when the same technology

716
01:10:13,879 --> 01:10:18,919
could actually be distributed to the everyday people. That's the real fight. So now, to your

717
01:10:18,919 --> 01:10:24,520
point, in 20, up until 2020, Tony, they weren't shadow banning me. But when they realized I'm an

718
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:29,479
independent voice, you had to choke it. So that's why one of the things we said the future is offline.

719
01:10:30,359 --> 01:10:35,479
So the future is offline. So when you know, when we run our Senate campaign,

720
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:44,839
we go direct, you know, simple flyer, you know, old flyers, direct to people conversations.

721
01:10:45,879 --> 01:10:49,799
And what they're in fact doing there, Tony, I don't know if you noticed because I just

722
01:10:49,799 --> 01:10:54,040
recently bought a printer. Have you noticed most of the printers they make the ink cartridges so

723
01:10:54,040 --> 01:11:00,600
expensive? Oh, and now what they do is they order the printer, right? They also force you to buy a

724
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:11,000
monthly plan. Yes. Your printer usage is being communicated to HP and Epson. And so the goal is

725
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:16,120
also choke your usage of printing. You know, in 1982, when we used to hand out flyers, we had our

726
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:22,680
own printing press in a one of these guys basement in Dorchester, old mimeograph machines. So social

727
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:28,759
media is highly controlled. The local newspapers are owned. And even to go print paper now,

728
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:36,520
using your own printer, they can watch that. But I think if enough people recognize the systems

729
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:43,560
dynamic, and Don, this conversation we're having is still important. You say, any way that we can

730
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:48,200
get the message through, there are enough people out there who get this. But what does need to

731
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:52,200
happen is you need to have an organized movement, you need to have structure. And that's I'm a

732
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:56,040
populist. And that's why I love to bring the people on Tony, I love you, brother. But I got

733
01:11:56,759 --> 01:11:59,399
I got to bring I got several other people lined up here. Okay.

734
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:09,479
Hey, Tony. I'm in Virginia, Bluefield. Are you in Northern Virginia? Where you at? Yeah.

735
01:12:10,919 --> 01:12:18,680
Bluefield, Southern Virginia, right on. Okay. Okay. Okay. So yeah.

736
01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:28,759
Um, is, I'm from a small town, and I've seen them take over the newspapers, like, like,

737
01:12:28,759 --> 01:12:33,720
Dr. Sheba saying, and the biggest thing is what he said that resonated with me is,

738
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:42,919
we have to be together, this internet thing, and all that is good. Like, like Dr. Sheba said,

739
01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:50,120
but we have to come together and we have to make a movement. We outnumber them by the hundreds of

740
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:55,080
millions and billions around the world. Like Orwell said, with his proles in 1984. We're

741
01:12:55,080 --> 01:13:00,120
like a horse with flies on it. All we have to do is stand up and shake them off. We just won't.

742
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:01,479
In my

743
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:14,520
I'm not Blackfield, Don. I was for a while. But I have to give Billy Ray Valentine some props

744
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:21,319
because he, he made me mad at the very beginning when I started listening to him. But he also taught

745
01:13:21,319 --> 01:13:27,319
me so much. And I had to realize that. And that's what made me not Blackfield is listen to what

746
01:13:27,319 --> 01:13:35,000
people say and take what you have. And then do your own research. And then we appreciate it,

747
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:39,640
man. I appreciate you, brother. Well, thank you, guys. I want to say one thing before Tony leaves.

748
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:49,399
So, so what you so if you look at the history of working people, they're always told that someone

749
01:13:49,399 --> 01:13:54,759
or the goal is to some Messiah is going to come from above. Now I come from bottoms up. You know,

750
01:13:54,759 --> 01:14:01,080
a guy like me shouldn't even be have gotten this far. What I realized is that we as working people

751
01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:07,000
must create our own institutions to fight. But in order to fight, you need three things.

752
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:13,160
It cannot be just done by protesting, right? waving banners, that's some kind of action.

753
01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:18,200
You can't just do it by having community. The Rotary Club has community, right? But they go

754
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:24,279
get everyone vaccinated. You can't just learn the theory MIT can learn theory, you need all three.

755
01:14:24,759 --> 01:14:29,879
You need the right theory of how to build a movement. You need a community and you need to

756
01:14:29,879 --> 01:14:35,640
take precise action, theory, community action. What's happened with movements is they've had

757
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:42,600
the wrong theory, the foundational idea of how the world operates. It was only in the 1950s,

758
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:46,839
that the understanding of large scale systems came to understand it. That was called system

759
01:14:46,839 --> 01:14:52,680
science, Tony and Don. It was in the 50s that the elites took that knowledge,

760
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:58,040
the knowledge of how systems operate control system theory. That is what is being used

761
01:14:58,040 --> 01:15:03,160
right now, Don and Tony to manipulate us. And as an intellectual went to MIT as an engineer,

762
01:15:03,879 --> 01:15:10,120
trajectories of MIT graduates are to go join the swarm to use that knowledge against all of us,

763
01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:14,600
right? intellectuals or engineers are interesting. They're not in any particular class,

764
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:20,759
but they can be used as tools of the poor or the rich, the working class or the elites.

765
01:15:20,839 --> 01:15:27,080
I chose to betray the class interests of where I was headed. So I decided to take all that

766
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:33,160
knowledge and realize that systems knowledge must go to people, Don. I used to teach that class was

767
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:37,479
the number one elected class. So what we've done a truth for the mouth is we teach people how

768
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:42,919
systems operate. You don't need to go to MIT, you need to learn that theory. And we built a global

769
01:15:42,919 --> 01:15:48,680
community half a million people all over the world. Tony, we have people in Virginia, using

770
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:53,080
we have our own data center, our own infrastructure who make calls into Massachusetts,

771
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:59,319
with people in Finland. Okay, with people in Chile, with people all over the world who recognize

772
01:15:59,959 --> 01:16:05,399
that the election in Massachusetts is not a US election anymore. The 100 US senators

773
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:11,959
govern decide the policy of the world working class. Right? So we so one of the things we're

774
01:16:11,959 --> 01:16:16,120
doing, Don, we're telling everyone, you can talk all day, but we're giving people an opportunity

775
01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:21,479
and everyone can go to Shiva for senate.com, sign up, you'll be onboarded to help make phone

776
01:16:21,479 --> 01:16:26,839
calls. And wherever you are, you don't even using your phone or your computer, your minutes won't

777
01:16:26,839 --> 01:16:31,160
be used, you can make a phone call. And you don't even have to dial, you'll connect to a Massachusetts

778
01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:36,120
citizen. And you can say vote, pledge your vote for Dr. Shiva. But we're giving people a tangible

779
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:41,959
action. We've had people from all over the country come here, Don, to collect signatures for us,

780
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:49,479
all working people. So what I'm saying is our movement is giving people an opportunity to start

781
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:55,560
stop being blackpilled and actually do something. Whether we win or lose is not the issue. In 2020,

782
01:16:55,560 --> 01:17:00,200
no one thought we'd win or lose. But we were the ones because we ran because of the corruption.

783
01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:04,120
But we didn't stop, we expose the backdoor portal, we ran the firefighter camp. And you see,

784
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:09,720
when when people start moving, the win here is not to win on their battleground. The win is to

785
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:15,080
get people involved and realize, wow, I'm overcoming my shyness to hand out a flyer.

786
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:19,080
It's really weird for people to interact with people. I'm overcoming my shyness to talk to

787
01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:25,479
a stranger on the phone. The social isolation is what they want to do, Don. So I'm saying that

788
01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:30,439
and certainly the internet makes that easier. I want to get to the other people. Tony, thanks,

789
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:36,200
brother. Make some phone calls for us. We have a lot of people in Virginia.

790
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:42,359
Thank you. That's great. Okay, we're going to Patrice Hartman. How you doing? Patrice,

791
01:17:42,359 --> 01:17:47,959
good to see you here. Good to see you. Not actually see you, but good to hear you. Some

792
01:17:47,959 --> 01:17:55,080
people don't want to have their I didn't wash my hair today. What do you have for Dr. Shiva?

793
01:17:55,080 --> 01:18:03,959
Well, first of all, did you do any research on Don? Because like everything you've been saying,

794
01:18:03,959 --> 01:18:07,000
he like already knows, and we've talked about for...

795
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:11,000
Oh, it's okay. I'm not a big name. I understand. I appreciate you saying that.

796
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:12,200
Well, I just...

797
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:14,439
You love my book, Survival of the Richest. Yeah.

798
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:15,959
Well, yeah.

799
01:18:15,959 --> 01:18:16,919
No, I appreciate it.

800
01:18:16,919 --> 01:18:19,080
Don, what's that book? What's that book title again?

801
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:20,919
Survival of the Richest.

802
01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:22,439
Okay.

803
01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:27,720
How the corruption of the world and the disparity of wealth created the greatest conspiracy.

804
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:31,799
Naomi Wolf wrote the foreword before... I don't think we're friends anymore.

805
01:18:31,799 --> 01:18:32,839
She turned on you. Yeah.

806
01:18:33,399 --> 01:18:36,759
Turned out to be quite the Zionist. I doubt she likes me anymore.

807
01:18:38,359 --> 01:18:45,240
Okay. So all these concepts, everything you've talked about, yeah. Don's audience pretty much...

808
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:56,600
Well, I'll speak for myself. We're so totally over it. As I always say, my stance is I no longer

809
01:18:56,600 --> 01:19:04,680
acknowledge the government's false authority over me. It's all a sham. They've usurped everything.

810
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:13,879
It's a fricking joke. And we're done. I didn't vote. Voting for the lesser of two evils is still

811
01:19:13,879 --> 01:19:23,080
evil. And so I think our government just needs to be torn down and start all over again.

812
01:19:23,799 --> 01:19:30,120
And also, I don't know, do you consider yourself an anarchist, Patrice? Because I tell you,

813
01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:35,160
Dr. Sheila, I don't have any argument with being an anarchist anymore.

814
01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:40,200
I follow rules. I follow rules. I say, excuse me, I'm very polite.

815
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:44,520
Yeah. But I mean, in terms of the anarchy, I think they believe,

816
01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:49,080
because I don't see any authorities anywhere that deserve my respect at this point.

817
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:59,560
None of them do. I mean, the fricking county commissioner lived across the street from me

818
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:06,520
and won every time he was up because he was never challenged. I mean, it's a fricking joke.

819
01:20:09,959 --> 01:20:14,279
I wish my friend Vince Agnelli was in the chat because Dr. Sheila in Virginia,

820
01:20:14,279 --> 01:20:19,319
he has analyzed the voting patterns in Virginia and he does a deep dive and he shows how these

821
01:20:19,319 --> 01:20:25,000
Republicans and Democrats, the way they play this game is so many of them, they agree certain races,

822
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:30,279
they don't even run an opponent. They agree not to run a challenger.

823
01:20:30,279 --> 01:20:35,479
It's completely like sports. How is it any different? And this has been going on since

824
01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:44,040
the country was created. This isn't new news. So it's going to be the people.

825
01:20:45,959 --> 01:20:48,759
We are the government and we're going to have to

826
01:20:51,640 --> 01:21:00,200
stick together. But I think like what happened on January 6th, I think you get a lot of people in

827
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:05,240
one room and yeah, you're screwed. I think it's a big old setup.

828
01:21:07,160 --> 01:21:09,319
What do you think? And then we'll ask those people.

829
01:21:10,040 --> 01:21:14,279
What do you think about this thing where Trump has some kind of fun for the January 6th?

830
01:21:14,279 --> 01:21:15,080
Oh, I think that's ridiculous.

831
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:17,160
I've had a lot of them on my show. Yeah.

832
01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:18,839
No, but I think it's ridiculous.

833
01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:28,600
That he having anybody do anything and is what his new soon to be attorney general,

834
01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:39,799
his old personal attorney. I mean, this is just ridiculous. There is such conflict of interest

835
01:21:39,799 --> 01:21:47,080
right in your face and they know it. And they want to just say to us, screw you,

836
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:51,399
you don't matter. And this is what we're doing. And this is what we're doing.

837
01:21:52,359 --> 01:21:57,479
And they do what they want to do. You talked to Rents so many times, the powers that be,

838
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:04,359
they're going to play it the way they want it. And if they want you gone, you are gone.

839
01:22:04,359 --> 01:22:07,319
You are gone. They have no problem.

840
01:22:08,839 --> 01:22:11,160
That's absolutely. Do you have a question for Dr. Shaver?

841
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:20,680
Yes, I have a technical question. So you said you created email, right?

842
01:22:23,319 --> 01:22:23,959
Is that correct?

843
01:22:24,839 --> 01:22:27,319
Yeah. I invented it when I was 14. Email the system.

844
01:22:29,319 --> 01:22:37,640
Okay. Well, so I'm trying to understand how it was really kind of any different than IBM on an

845
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:46,520
AS400 doing a DFU and being a CUSAC offer and being able to go behind the scenes and send

846
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:52,200
messages to all the users. Yes, that's a great question. So there, the

847
01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:59,720
simple exchange of text messages, Patrice, has existed between electronic devices since 1930.

848
01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:06,919
In fact, IBM did a radio type. That's not what I created. I've never claimed to create

849
01:23:06,919 --> 01:23:12,279
electronic messaging. I created email, the system. What is email? I don't know how old

850
01:23:12,279 --> 01:23:16,040
you are, Patrice, but anyone over the age of 50. I'm 64.

851
01:23:16,040 --> 01:23:21,000
Yeah. So you're two years senior to me, but anyone over the age of 50 remembers

852
01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:25,879
in every organization, there was this thing called the inter-office mail system. Do you

853
01:23:25,879 --> 01:23:31,160
remember that? Typically the secretary, the typewriter, remember she had a physical inbox,

854
01:23:31,160 --> 01:23:34,759
the outbox, the trash can. Oh, I go, I'm older school than that.

855
01:23:34,759 --> 01:23:39,080
It was handwritten notes. Yeah. So handed it to the president.

856
01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:48,279
Right. Right. So I was at a time with 1978, right? In this medical school, they had the,

857
01:23:48,279 --> 01:23:51,319
remember they had the old pneumatic tubes. A lot of people don't remember this, right?

858
01:23:51,319 --> 01:23:53,799
Oh, your tube system. Yeah. I remember that.

859
01:23:53,799 --> 01:23:57,640
And then you had the typewriter, which had the paper, the carbon paper.

860
01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:02,279
Weren't those the dye bulbs? Yeah, right.

861
01:24:02,279 --> 01:24:04,200
Was that dye bulb that made those? Yeah.

862
01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:10,439
Yeah. The pneumatic tubes. So there was, in many organizations, even in the office

863
01:24:10,439 --> 01:24:14,759
of the prime minister or the white house in those days, or in most organizations,

864
01:24:15,879 --> 01:24:23,080
the secretary was the node in this very complex inter-office mail system. So in an organization,

865
01:24:23,160 --> 01:24:27,560
either, remember they had the physical phone. We didn't have cell phones. Faxes were just coming,

866
01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:33,080
but you had the inter-office mail system, which was a mainstay of communications.

867
01:24:33,959 --> 01:24:38,600
And that system, if you go to inventor of email, you'll see all the stuff that went

868
01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:44,279
into the Smithsonian was many, many features. Remember Patrice, it was an interlock system,

869
01:24:44,279 --> 01:24:47,959
right? You have to, you had to have the inbox. You have to have the outbox, the drafts folder.

870
01:24:47,959 --> 01:24:51,160
You'd have to have the carbon copy. Remember they had the little registered email. The guy

871
01:24:51,160 --> 01:24:56,279
would come pick up the mail. So you have this very complex system. Even in those days on big

872
01:24:56,279 --> 01:25:01,879
mainframes, you could exchange simple text messages, right? Between the guy who was in the

873
01:25:01,879 --> 01:25:08,759
computer room, et cetera. What I did, which had not been done. In fact, in 1977, a paper was written

874
01:25:08,759 --> 01:25:14,680
by ARPANET, which said to convert that entire system, what they call the inter-office

875
01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:18,279
inter-organization mail system was impossible. And it was very interesting. It was very

876
01:25:18,279 --> 01:25:23,640
discriminatory against women. They said, because the users of that system, quote-unquote, were not

877
01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:30,120
smart enough to move to the computer. So I, as a 14-year-old kid was asked to convert that entire

878
01:25:30,120 --> 01:25:37,640
system Patrice, the system into the electronic version. So I had to go find out. So you did a

879
01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:45,240
flow chart? So you did everything. Everything's up there. Not only a flow chart, I wrote 50,000

880
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:53,000
lines of code across in 8K of memory, 32 programs. And I named that system email, Patrice. A term

881
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:58,520
never used before in the English language, but I put every feature together. IBM came there. We were,

882
01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:03,720
you know, we weren't like Silicon Valley. I gave seminars to the 14-year-old. It was used throughout

883
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:08,600
the Rutgers Medical School, what is now known as Rutgers Medical School. Named it email, won one of

884
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:14,040
the Westinghouse Science Awards, which is known as the Baby Nobles. When I came to MIT, Patrice was

885
01:26:14,040 --> 01:26:19,399
out of the 1,000 students, I was listed as the top three of inventing email. Now, I didn't really

886
01:26:19,399 --> 01:26:25,240
care for all of that PR if I had been in Bill Gates's family, would have been promoted. And Patrice,

887
01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:32,839
you may remember, in the 19, software was just coming. The way I started doing this was, I was

888
01:26:32,839 --> 01:26:37,720
very good at math and played baseball and a bunch of things, but I was accepted into a computer

889
01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:44,439
science program at NYU where the U.S. government and NSF had funded a professor at NYU to identify

890
01:26:44,439 --> 01:26:49,879
40 students who could be trained in a new field called software engineering. I was one of those

891
01:26:49,879 --> 01:26:55,640
40. I was very fortunate. So, I was trained, had some humanities classes left, and I got a full-time

892
01:26:55,640 --> 01:27:01,399
job at this institution, okay? And I was initially doing medical research on looking at baby sleep

893
01:27:01,399 --> 01:27:08,359
patterns and how to detect that using what you would now call AI algorithms. And then, because I

894
01:27:08,359 --> 01:27:13,479
was good at programming, they gave me this challenge. Named it email, and when I came to MIT,

895
01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:19,399
the president of MIT, a guy called Paul Gray, said it's too bad we can't patent software. But he's the

896
01:27:19,399 --> 01:27:24,600
one who said in 1980, Congress had allowed you to take software and use a copyright law

897
01:27:25,319 --> 01:27:32,120
to protect software invention. So, in 1982, I was given the official copyright for recognizing me as

898
01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:36,520
the inventor of email. All of this is documented, Patrice. You can go find it. The interesting thing,

899
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:41,879
Patrice, the real story here was, I created email. I never said I created text messaging.

900
01:27:41,879 --> 01:27:47,799
That's a simple exchange of text messages, which goes back to Samuel Morris, okay? But I created

901
01:27:47,799 --> 01:27:53,000
email the system. Every feature that you see in modern email, put it into the Library of Congress,

902
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:58,839
never IP protected. It's shared with it. And after 1980, you'll see various versions. The only

903
01:27:58,839 --> 01:28:03,879
problem is that copyright law doesn't protect design, you see, which is what patent law did.

904
01:28:04,439 --> 01:28:10,359
But the ability to patent software didn't come until 1994 when the Federal Court of Appeals

905
01:28:10,359 --> 01:28:16,279
said software is a digital machine. Nonetheless, what's fascinating is I never sought fame or

906
01:28:16,279 --> 01:28:23,399
fortune. It was in 19, sorry, 2011 when my mother was dying of a horrible disease. She had three

907
01:28:23,399 --> 01:28:28,600
months to live in a beautiful suitcase. She had organized all of my work from 1933, Patrice.

908
01:28:29,319 --> 01:28:35,560
The software code, I had all of it. The tapes, the copyright, all the awards around it. And the

909
01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:41,319
editor of Time Magazine, Doug Ammitt, reviewed all of this and he wrote an article. You can find it

910
01:28:41,319 --> 01:28:46,279
called The Man Who Invented Email. Two months later, the Smithsonian said, oh my God, we didn't

911
01:28:46,279 --> 01:28:51,479
know you had all this. And they honored me at the Smithsonian as the inventor of email. You can find

912
01:28:51,479 --> 01:28:55,959
it all online. What should have been an occasion for celebration, Patrice, because there's,

913
01:28:56,520 --> 01:29:00,359
there's, it's black and white. I invented email. But the problem was-

914
01:29:00,359 --> 01:29:02,919
Why didn't Hillary Clinton steal the patent?

915
01:29:03,879 --> 01:29:05,000
Hillary Clinton?

916
01:29:05,000 --> 01:29:09,479
Yeah, she, that she worked for the patent office. She's the queen of the patents.

917
01:29:10,120 --> 01:29:11,879
I didn't know Hillary Clinton worked for the patent office.

918
01:29:11,879 --> 01:29:13,720
Oh yeah, that's how she started out.

919
01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:19,640
I say, wow, I didn't know that. But anyway, 19, in 2012, when it went into the Smithsonian,

920
01:29:20,680 --> 01:29:25,799
it created this quote unquote controversy. And the real controversy, Patrice, is that

921
01:29:26,520 --> 01:29:30,600
the narrative during those 33 years, which Americans are pummeled with every day, is that

922
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:34,520
all great innovations come from war, the military industrial complex, right?

923
01:29:34,520 --> 01:29:39,319
Tang and Velcro. Email wasn't created by the ARPANET. What they did was did simple text

924
01:29:39,319 --> 01:29:46,439
messaging. At best, it was a caveman version of Reddit. But Raytheon in 2012 had branded,

925
01:29:46,439 --> 01:29:52,919
you know, the big missile company had branded their entire website as the inventors of email.

926
01:29:52,919 --> 01:29:56,520
So when my stuff went in, it was like a new skull was found in Africa,

927
01:29:58,279 --> 01:30:03,160
putting the origin of email, not to a military problem of communication,

928
01:30:03,160 --> 01:30:08,120
but to a civilian problem of moving secretaries from the typewriter to the keyboard. That's the

929
01:30:08,120 --> 01:30:15,399
actual origin of email. So it was only in 2012 I said, shit, the level of abuse I got.

930
01:30:16,040 --> 01:30:19,959
How dare you say this? You must be a fraud, blah, blah, blah. Four years of this,

931
01:30:19,959 --> 01:30:22,839
eventually we found a lawyer, Gawker Media, you may look them up.

932
01:30:23,399 --> 01:30:28,040
Gawker called me all sorts of names. We sued them. One, and I got a million dollar payout.

933
01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:34,680
And the Wikipedia page, Patrice, was locked because a narrative of a 14-year-old kid

934
01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:39,240
in Newark, New Jersey, where nothing's supposed to come out, independently invented email,

935
01:30:39,240 --> 01:30:44,759
the system, shatters this narrative that you have to go to MIT or be a dropout out of Harvard.

936
01:30:44,759 --> 01:30:48,839
That's a real story. The same thing happened to Filo Farnsworth, Patrice,

937
01:30:49,479 --> 01:30:54,040
14-year-old boy on a farm in Idaho who actually did create TV.

938
01:30:55,000 --> 01:31:01,720
Now, this thing may seem 14 years old. A lot of young people create many amazing things because

939
01:31:01,720 --> 01:31:07,640
they don't see the bounds of what they cannot do. So the real story here is not, the facts are

940
01:31:07,640 --> 01:31:13,000
obvious. You can go to whoinventedemail.com. We've had to since document this, memorialize it,

941
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:19,720
et cetera. But the real issue is why was so much vitriol? And it leads to the fact that

942
01:31:19,959 --> 01:31:26,120
that everyday people are innovating all the time, right? But they have to make sure innovation

943
01:31:26,120 --> 01:31:33,000
itself is farmed and curated, you see, and engineered by the few. You could be a nerd

944
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:37,319
who drops out of Harvard. That's cool. You get to start, you get to say you created the first

945
01:31:37,319 --> 01:31:41,080
operating system. By the way, Bill Gates didn't. It was done by a small guy Bill Gates stole it

946
01:31:41,080 --> 01:31:47,799
from. So where innovation comes from, the truth is it comes from an environment of collaboration.

947
01:31:48,359 --> 01:31:52,439
You get some infrastructure and inspiration. That's where email came from. It did not come

948
01:31:52,439 --> 01:31:58,759
from the military-industrial-academic complex. And that story must be questioned because that

949
01:31:58,759 --> 01:32:03,799
means great innovations do not need venture capital funding, billions of dollars. Right

950
01:32:03,799 --> 01:32:08,439
now, the way innovation takes place, Patrice, you get a bunch of VCs together. They get $100

951
01:32:08,439 --> 01:32:14,520
billion or $10 billion fund. They throw a bunch of money to 100 people and Google comes out.

952
01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:20,359
They go, oh, aren't we great? But you, I mean, I was paid the first two years nothing. I was

953
01:32:20,359 --> 01:32:25,560
given food in the cafeteria, which I thought was great. And the third year I got paid $1.25 an

954
01:32:25,560 --> 01:32:33,479
hour, Patrice. I can believe all that. Yeah. We still have a couple more lined up. I want to make

955
01:32:33,479 --> 01:32:37,640
sure we get to them. Patrice, do you have anything else? Thank you, Patrice. Thank you very much,

956
01:32:37,640 --> 01:32:46,919
dear. Appreciate it. Okay. I want to bring Ellen and R.B. in. Ellen Corley. Ellen is on, I think,

957
01:32:46,919 --> 01:32:52,680
the same wavelength as you. She still has some idealism in her and she tries to run for political

958
01:32:52,680 --> 01:32:59,000
office. Good to see you, honey. How are you doing? Fine, thank you. Yes, it's good I found my way

959
01:32:59,000 --> 01:33:08,919
here. It's sometimes challenging with the social media and, you know, but yeah, it's interesting to

960
01:33:10,040 --> 01:33:21,000
see Dr. Shiva. I guess I, you know, in a way I identify with you a lot. I ran for Congress this

961
01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:28,040
this term, tried to get on the ballot as a Democrat, because in 2020 when I tried to

962
01:33:28,600 --> 01:33:35,479
get on the ballot as a Green, I was, because it was a pandemic, I actually got thrown off.

963
01:33:37,080 --> 01:33:44,919
Someone said I was anti-Semitic because I was pro-Palestinian. So, basically, you know,

964
01:33:45,799 --> 01:33:52,919
basically, what's interesting is the pandemic is what got me, you know, motivated to run,

965
01:33:52,919 --> 01:33:58,520
but the idea was to get into Congress so that my voice could be heard. You know, we'd have

966
01:33:59,160 --> 01:34:06,200
somebody who's demanding truth. My background is market research and, you know, I could

967
01:34:06,200 --> 01:34:15,879
research anything, right? But, you know, what's crazy is that the scientific community still

968
01:34:15,879 --> 01:34:23,319
calls us misinformation people. I was just looking at your website, your Wikipedia page, and,

969
01:34:25,319 --> 01:34:29,959
you know, I guess my theory, you talk about wanting, you know, to organize the people,

970
01:34:30,439 --> 01:34:37,879
but you, I mean, you organized a lot of people. I got on the ballot just by standing there and

971
01:34:37,879 --> 01:34:50,120
getting, you know, 1,240 signatures, but, you know, I noticed, I guess, that you wrote a book

972
01:34:50,120 --> 01:34:57,399
about how to get PR on the internet, which is a great, that's key here, but I guess one question

973
01:34:57,399 --> 01:35:03,799
is how do we know you're not a controlled opposition, you know? I mean, you say Tucker

974
01:35:03,799 --> 01:35:13,399
Carlson is, but, you know, what? His name is Fucker Carlson. Yeah, I noticed you saying that,

975
01:35:13,399 --> 01:35:20,919
right? But, I mean, as a, I'm basically a truther. I'm active with a group called the

976
01:35:20,919 --> 01:35:28,040
truthactionproject.org, and, you know, people should come to that, but our strategy really has

977
01:35:28,040 --> 01:35:35,319
been to try to get Dr. Anna to open all the files. We want to get the truth out about the COVID,

978
01:35:35,319 --> 01:35:40,919
about 9-11, about Kennedy, about everything, because the government is lying to us, right?

979
01:35:40,919 --> 01:35:47,799
And they're using their control over the media to, you know, to keep it all covered up and

980
01:35:47,799 --> 01:35:56,279
maintain their big lies, and, you know, so, I mean, you know, it seemed that Tucker Carlson,

981
01:35:56,279 --> 01:36:02,919
the fact that some people are starting to speak out about, well, he got thrown off a fox for

982
01:36:02,919 --> 01:36:09,959
speaking out about the vaccine. He wasn't vaccinated, you know, and I think that kind

983
01:36:09,959 --> 01:36:17,479
of gives him credibility, you know, that he kind of paid a price. Just, you know, I paid a price.

984
01:36:18,279 --> 01:36:23,799
Yeah, so, first of all, we can have, we should do a whole show on Fucker Carlson, okay?

985
01:36:25,160 --> 01:36:32,200
He is not a martyr. He is engineered by the establishment to make people think he's

986
01:36:32,200 --> 01:36:36,919
working for us, okay? Now, if you look at my history, you can line up my history,

987
01:36:37,720 --> 01:36:41,640
and you should go do the research since you guys want to do that, and you can line it up

988
01:36:41,640 --> 01:36:47,399
with Fucker Carlson's history, okay? And you will see a compelling difference. The difference is,

989
01:36:48,279 --> 01:36:53,640
people like myself and others, the fundamental difference is it goes to motivate a bottoms-up

990
01:36:53,640 --> 01:37:00,759
movement, not to get views and clicks and jump from one bed to another bed. Well, let me finish,

991
01:37:00,759 --> 01:37:06,120
because you asked me a question, okay? The other piece is, when it comes to electoral politics,

992
01:37:07,879 --> 01:37:15,080
um, there, you know, the establishment, when you come to a point in life, Ellen, that you say,

993
01:37:15,080 --> 01:37:20,200
I don't like the way things are, right? Right now, they only give you two choices about how

994
01:37:20,200 --> 01:37:25,160
to change the world, and both of them are controlled by them. Run for office, Ellen,

995
01:37:25,160 --> 01:37:31,240
you could have a voice in Congress or whatever, or file a lawsuit, all right? Become a lawyer,

996
01:37:32,040 --> 01:37:37,080
file a lawsuit, okay? So, they give you these two options of how social change takes place,

997
01:37:37,720 --> 01:37:44,120
but they do not ever talk about the actual option that has ever changed anything, which I talked

998
01:37:44,120 --> 01:37:49,640
in the first part of Dawn's discussion here, which is bottoms-up, independent movements,

999
01:37:49,640 --> 01:37:54,120
which can be organized, understanding how these movements actually work. They actually

1000
01:37:54,120 --> 01:37:59,000
understand this, Ellen. So, let me repeat, they give you electoralism or legalism.

1001
01:37:59,959 --> 01:38:06,040
That is the vehicle. So, when I was 17, oh, go work in your congressman's office, right? Oh,

1002
01:38:06,040 --> 01:38:12,439
go be a lawyer, right? Those are the two options. No one ever taught me that there are bottoms-up

1003
01:38:12,439 --> 01:38:17,000
movements. You can go look at the history of the movements in Russia, the Paris Commune,

1004
01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:23,799
all of these are never- Right, but it's changed by the media because of social media and algorithms

1005
01:38:24,279 --> 01:38:33,399
and cable replacing network television, which was an operation. The CIA under William Casey in the

1006
01:38:33,399 --> 01:38:39,319
80s said, this will be perfect. We'll cancel the fairness doctrine and we don't have any media

1007
01:38:39,879 --> 01:38:48,200
journalists covering the truth, right? It's just gotten worse. And so, that's the real problem,

1008
01:38:48,200 --> 01:38:55,240
as I see it, that needs to be solved. And I think we need to restore those right regulations,

1009
01:38:55,240 --> 01:39:02,040
like the FCC and the fairness doctrine. But basically, the corrupt people got in there,

1010
01:39:02,040 --> 01:39:09,479
the Republicans in 1980, mainly with Reagan and well, under Nixon, it's all part of a long plot

1011
01:39:09,479 --> 01:39:14,520
that's been unfolding, right? You have like a question, because I want to make sure I understand.

1012
01:39:14,520 --> 01:39:19,959
How do we know you're not controlled opposition? I mean, you've got tons of views and tons of money

1013
01:39:19,959 --> 01:39:27,080
and tons of work and a lot of clicks and people, whereas someone like me, maybe if we put in a

1014
01:39:27,080 --> 01:39:32,919
law that says, well, one term limits, but just everybody has to be made sure they're not

1015
01:39:33,560 --> 01:39:40,839
controlled opposition. That's what it seems like. Kamala is and he is, but if you've got that many

1016
01:39:40,839 --> 01:39:45,399
clicks, I don't see, you know, you and Tucker are kind of the same. I mean, you've been able to

1017
01:39:45,959 --> 01:39:51,240
do a lot. As many as Tucker, but you or that and that, Dr. Sheeb, doesn't your success,

1018
01:39:52,439 --> 01:39:54,600
how do you become successful and not be charged?

1019
01:39:55,879 --> 01:40:03,560
That's the issue, Don. The issue here with me is the following in 2020, when my social media

1020
01:40:03,560 --> 01:40:09,959
channel really took off, Alan, there was a period between 2018 to 2020. When the censors, so it was

1021
01:40:09,959 --> 01:40:15,319
in 2018 and 2019 at Harvard Belfer School, they created the entire censorship infrastructure to

1022
01:40:15,319 --> 01:40:20,520
social media. You go to winbackfreedom.com, we document it. They literally created manuals

1023
01:40:20,520 --> 01:40:26,200
on how you would track, quote unquote, misinformation, severity levels, and how you

1024
01:40:26,200 --> 01:40:31,560
would shadow ban those people. That was done by a bipartisan group at the Belfer School, okay?

1025
01:40:32,600 --> 01:40:38,759
So now between 2018 to 2020, you will see explosive growth in my social media. I used to do

1026
01:40:39,319 --> 01:40:44,680
five videos a day, because as a scientist, I was the first one who came out against Fauci.

1027
01:40:44,680 --> 01:40:49,080
I was the first one who came out against the lockdowns long before. I developed a protocol

1028
01:40:49,080 --> 01:40:53,560
for people, the vitamin D protocol, which Zelenko stole, okay? We saved hundreds of millions of

1029
01:40:53,560 --> 01:40:56,919
people's lives. You can see that. But it was- I remember you.

1030
01:40:57,720 --> 01:41:01,319
Right, but it was in that period, the censors hadn't really come in,

1031
01:41:02,120 --> 01:41:08,600
and they hadn't gotten their shit together. After 2020, they said, fuck, this guy is not one of us.

1032
01:41:09,240 --> 01:41:14,200
So the right-wing MAGA people thought I was a trumper, because I was exposing election integrity.

1033
01:41:15,080 --> 01:41:19,640
And the medical freedom people loved me. Oh, you should work with Boobie Kennedy, right?

1034
01:41:19,640 --> 01:41:25,640
So I was doing my own independent shtick. I wasn't in any of these other camps. And that

1035
01:41:25,640 --> 01:41:33,160
is problematic, Ellen, because I can't be controlled. So after 2020, you will see my

1036
01:41:33,160 --> 01:41:40,279
views and levels have stayed the same. Go to YouTube. It's 250,000 followers, right?

1037
01:41:40,279 --> 01:41:46,439
And none of them grow. In fact, so what's happened is I will do a tweet now. So after I won that

1038
01:41:46,439 --> 01:41:52,759
lawsuit, YouTube and Twitter has been very afraid to fuck with me. So what they do is they put me

1039
01:41:52,759 --> 01:41:59,160
in a digital cage. And the way that cage works, censorship, and I can explain this, before the

1040
01:41:59,160 --> 01:42:04,359
goal was throw them off, ban them, take them off. Now it's a little more sophisticated. You

1041
01:42:04,359 --> 01:42:12,120
leave the person on, but you control the reach. In fact, Elon Musk said, he said the same thing

1042
01:42:12,120 --> 01:42:18,520
as the Zionist ADL said, free speech does not equal free reach, which was exactly the opposite

1043
01:42:18,520 --> 01:42:23,399
to what the First Amendment was about. So they'll leave me on, let me do all my stuff,

1044
01:42:24,120 --> 01:42:34,040
but they control the reach. Okay. So you can see that 100,000 retweets down to 20. Okay.

1045
01:42:34,839 --> 01:42:43,879
So fucker Carlson is promoted. He's actively promoted because a guy like me having that reach,

1046
01:42:43,879 --> 01:42:48,839
because I'm not corralling people to back to the establishment. I'm saying you need to build your

1047
01:42:48,839 --> 01:42:56,439
own independent movement. Here are some tools. Yeah. Okay. But this is what, can I, yeah, that

1048
01:42:57,399 --> 01:43:00,279
it seems to me that... One more point, Ellen, because I want to bring R.B. Hammond,

1049
01:43:00,279 --> 01:43:04,919
because he's been waiting a long time. Okay. Here's the last point, is that I would think

1050
01:43:04,919 --> 01:43:11,080
we need regulations over the parties, like that, you know, that it doesn't come down to

1051
01:43:11,879 --> 01:43:17,560
someone like you versus someone like your competition, because, you know, even if you're

1052
01:43:17,560 --> 01:43:23,240
independent, you've got a lot of money and that's the, it's an oligarchy and right. And so

1053
01:43:23,240 --> 01:43:28,279
the, you know, and it also raises suspicion. I'm basically become a specialist in opposition

1054
01:43:28,279 --> 01:43:34,359
research and, you know, that you've got a million dollars from Gawker, that's not on there, but

1055
01:43:34,359 --> 01:43:39,799
is that the, did you work with Peter Thiel to do that? Because he was the one that also financed

1056
01:43:39,799 --> 01:43:45,240
a thing against Gawker, right? I mean, so. Yeah. So the interesting story there is,

1057
01:43:47,160 --> 01:43:51,720
I mean, I don't know how much you want to, so Gawker Media, I didn't even know a lot about it.

1058
01:43:51,720 --> 01:43:55,240
Yeah. Kind of keep it brief because I'm going to bring R.B., Ellen, just you can hang there. I'm

1059
01:43:55,240 --> 01:44:03,399
going to bring R.B. when it's okay. Bottom line is, you know, I was out in California and I was

1060
01:44:03,399 --> 01:44:08,600
being attacked and I found an attorney called Charles Harder. Charles looked at this and he

1061
01:44:08,600 --> 01:44:13,959
took my case on contingency. Independently, Charles had done the case for, what was the name,

1062
01:44:13,959 --> 01:44:20,120
Hulk Hogan. Hulk Hogan, remember he had done this video? Yeah. So same guy, right? Yeah.

1063
01:44:20,759 --> 01:44:25,160
Peter Thiel financed that, right? Yeah, but I didn't know anything about that. My case was

1064
01:44:25,160 --> 01:44:31,160
done independently of all of that. Contingency that like, if you win, he'd get the money. So

1065
01:44:31,160 --> 01:44:36,759
you got a million dollars and he got half of it or something. What happened was I got 750

1066
01:44:36,839 --> 01:44:45,160
taxes, but I think Harder, the law firm, took 30%. And whatever money I got, I used it to go

1067
01:44:45,160 --> 01:44:51,720
sue the next guy, you know, in a different case. And that connection with Peter Thiel is very

1068
01:44:51,720 --> 01:44:55,720
suspicious, right? Don't you think? I mean, in terms of- I didn't know anything about that.

1069
01:44:55,720 --> 01:45:02,279
Yeah. Well, yeah, but you get a lot of clicks because of that. You've got public awareness

1070
01:45:02,759 --> 01:45:09,319
and that's what makes me frustrated. It's just an average Joe like me with no money, no money.

1071
01:45:10,200 --> 01:45:14,359
Ellen can't get into it yet. Go and do your research because you claim you do research.

1072
01:45:15,000 --> 01:45:19,080
Right, right. Don't draw a graph and we don't do this.

1073
01:45:19,080 --> 01:45:23,479
We have to reform the system though so people like me can get in there, right?

1074
01:45:23,479 --> 01:45:27,799
I agree. I agree, Ellen. I got to let you go. Okay, go ahead.

1075
01:45:27,799 --> 01:45:30,359
Yeah, because I want to have R.B. have a chance. Yeah, go.

1076
01:45:30,439 --> 01:45:37,319
So tactically, just to finish the Ellen thing, I'm not into reforming the system, okay? We're

1077
01:45:37,319 --> 01:45:43,720
into building movement. To the extent that I run for office, we know that they cheat and lie. However,

1078
01:45:45,080 --> 01:45:52,359
independent people running for office, if you go with it with no false illusions that you're going

1079
01:45:52,359 --> 01:45:56,520
to get in there and you're going to change the system, however, by running for office,

1080
01:45:56,520 --> 01:46:05,799
it's another platform, Don, to give an opportunity to discuss issues that would not be discussed,

1081
01:46:05,799 --> 01:46:11,319
right? I want to make sure we have this. You're going to love R.B. Hamm. This guy is from Canada.

1082
01:46:11,319 --> 01:46:15,799
He is somebody that does something. He was one of the leaders of the Canadian trucker convoy.

1083
01:46:15,799 --> 01:46:22,040
He paid the price. The government fined him $50,000. I hope he'll give out his,

1084
01:46:22,759 --> 01:46:24,520
I don't know if he's frozen. R.B., are you there?

1085
01:46:25,479 --> 01:46:29,799
Can you hear me? Yeah. He's a trucker. He's on the road all the time.

1086
01:46:30,359 --> 01:46:32,520
How are you doing, R.B.? What do you got for Dr. Shiva?

1087
01:46:33,399 --> 01:46:39,160
Doing good. I just wanted to say that I was actually a part of a grassroots, bottoms-up

1088
01:46:39,160 --> 01:46:46,040
political movement here in Canada until I'm 20 here in Saskatchewan. Independent of anything

1089
01:46:46,040 --> 01:46:51,160
else, just because I knew there was some mind-fuckery going on because of my research and

1090
01:46:52,040 --> 01:46:58,200
I'm just the whole life story that there's something going on. So I started protesting

1091
01:46:58,200 --> 01:47:04,600
in the streets, met 12 or 13 other people the very first day, protest against the COVID

1092
01:47:04,600 --> 01:47:08,919
mandates restrictions before they even became law here in Saskatchewan, because they'd already

1093
01:47:08,919 --> 01:47:13,879
been started rolling out everywhere else. We knew it was coming to us. And eventually that

1094
01:47:15,240 --> 01:47:20,439
movement of 12 or 13 people in a few months got to the thousands, the tens of thousands.

1095
01:47:21,160 --> 01:47:29,160
And then I saw, you know, I watched as the movement grew and it turned into the Canadian

1096
01:47:29,160 --> 01:47:34,439
Freedom Convoy that rolled into Ottawa and shut everything down and eventually changed

1097
01:47:34,439 --> 01:47:40,839
the whole way that this was going, because they were, like with Justin Trudeau and the

1098
01:47:40,839 --> 01:47:48,279
fascism that was going on here, they were 100% determined to get COVID vaccine mandates

1099
01:47:48,359 --> 01:47:51,959
and restrictions and travel restrictions that were going to shut you down unless you got an

1100
01:47:51,959 --> 01:47:57,000
app on your phone and you had to, you know, to show you were vaccinated and allowed to go into

1101
01:47:57,000 --> 01:48:01,560
places. Anyway, the Canadian Freedom Convoy happened and because of that mass movement

1102
01:48:01,560 --> 01:48:07,640
of working class, bottoms up movement, they overreacted so violently with when they shut

1103
01:48:07,640 --> 01:48:13,080
down the truckers convoy when they're sending the horses and the storm troopers and beat

1104
01:48:14,040 --> 01:48:21,399
everybody down, that it kind of sparked that movement across the entire world. There was

1105
01:48:21,399 --> 01:48:25,399
copycat movements in Ireland, even in the United States had their own trucker convoy.

1106
01:48:25,399 --> 01:48:30,839
And I firmly believe that that probably saved us from, you know, a true fascist over,

1107
01:48:32,279 --> 01:48:38,040
using COVID as the excuse, a huge fascist overtake of our system. But at the same time,

1108
01:48:38,759 --> 01:48:43,240
at that time when that happened, all the provinces here in Canada, all at the same time after that,

1109
01:48:43,240 --> 01:48:49,240
got rid of all the mandates, restrictions and all that stuff. They got rid of it all at the

1110
01:48:49,240 --> 01:48:54,279
same time because they were scared to death. Their base, their political base was turning

1111
01:48:54,279 --> 01:48:57,879
against them here in Saskatchewan. We had a conservative premier who was on board with all

1112
01:48:57,879 --> 01:49:01,640
the mandates, restrictions and everything. But as soon as the Freedom Convoy happened,

1113
01:49:01,640 --> 01:49:06,200
he got rid of them all, proving it was political the whole time. Before that, he was hiding behind

1114
01:49:06,200 --> 01:49:09,799
his chief public health officer, a guy named Shahab, who was a failed plastic surgeon from

1115
01:49:09,799 --> 01:49:14,120
Pakistan, who was parachuted in here by the World Economic Forum and the World Health Organization,

1116
01:49:14,120 --> 01:49:18,439
got his bureaucratic training at the Johns Hopkins University for health security.

1117
01:49:18,439 --> 01:49:26,120
He was probably present during their 2019 event 201 scenario. You know, anyway,

1118
01:49:26,120 --> 01:49:30,359
if you want to know about that, then Dr. Schuman knows all about this stuff. But what I'm saying

1119
01:49:30,359 --> 01:49:34,839
is after that Canadian Freedom Convoy happened, and they got rid of all the mandates, restrictions,

1120
01:49:34,839 --> 01:49:42,120
everybody went back to sleep. That's the problem. Oh, we won. No, you didn't win. They just delayed.

1121
01:49:42,120 --> 01:49:45,399
They're just delaying. And now they're going to be, and they're already trying to do climate

1122
01:49:45,399 --> 01:49:50,600
change lockdowns next or energy lockdowns, you know, using the war in the Middle East as an

1123
01:49:50,600 --> 01:49:57,640
excuse to jack up your gas prices and make it, you know, giving you energy restrictions,

1124
01:49:57,640 --> 01:50:00,759
lockdowns, you know, they go so far in a gas tank. And they've already talked about this

1125
01:50:00,759 --> 01:50:06,120
with the 15-minute cities, and you'll own nothing to be happy. A jet at 20, 30, it all works together.

1126
01:50:06,120 --> 01:50:10,200
And that's the problem we have is complacency. Because I was part of that

1127
01:50:10,200 --> 01:50:16,120
ground, that bottoms up movement. I saw it happen. I saw it go in effect. I saw it be successful.

1128
01:50:16,120 --> 01:50:19,799
Then everybody else goes back to sleep. And then there's also the infiltration thing.

1129
01:50:19,799 --> 01:50:24,279
And we can talk about that in the context of COINTELPRO or Operation Chaos. But here's this,

1130
01:50:24,279 --> 01:50:29,560
here in Canada, I saw it happen. Rebel News, a Zionist news agency here in Canada,

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got their hooks into the Freedom Convoy people. And they use Zionism as a way to split

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Freedom Convoy from the right. And people like me and you, Don, you know, old social justice,

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left warriors, who believed in the classic liberals, you know, freedom of speech, freedom of

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body autonomy, they go after us the same way, and divide us through empathy, you know, weaponizing

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empathy. You know, you're a good person if you follow what the government's doing, because you

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don't want to be considered one of those people. So they use the divide and conquer tactic. You

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see it happening. I was telling people it was happening. But they don't listen, because they're

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they're set in their ways, you know. And then the complacent. So when you combine the complacency

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and the infiltration, it's a long road to hoe. I've been fighting against all my life, especially

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the last four or five years. I too, Dr. Shiva ran for office once as a campaign manager. And then

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the last election, I ran for the PPC, the People's Party of Canada here in Saskatchewan.

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And we're not, we don't get any traction and no media coverage. And if it is media

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coverage, it's always demonize us and call us horrible names and stuff.

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And then you have a question or what I want to get Dr. Shiva.

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I want to agree with Dr. Shiva. I think he's on the right track. Yes, the grassroots bottoms up

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is the only way you can do it. But how do you guard against the complacency? How do you get,

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how do you break through the complacency? And number two, how do you guard against infiltration?

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Because I think that's the two biggest problems we have.

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Yeah, so let me answer that question. So by the way, is it RB? So RB, you know, when the

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truckers movement was taking place, we, you know, have a pretty big base in Canada.

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We built an entire website, we handed up probably close to, you know, millions of buyers out there.

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And we gave our political position that the truckers movement should be supported by other.

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But you guys can go look at that. But I think the fundamental question is this,

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really, really good way perhaps to end this discussion. But RB is bringing up probably

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the most central point here. So as I was sharing with Ellen, you get to a point in life,

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you realize you don't like the way things are, and you want to change it, right?

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So to people like Ellen, they give her only two opportunities, run for office, or go, you know,

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become a lawyer, file lawsuits. They don't give people the third route, which is to build a

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bottoms up movement, which we know is the only thing that works. So if you go down that route,

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then you have, you're compelled to really understand, okay, I know bottoms up movements

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work. You can look at historically, right? It's been the slaves rising up and trying to sort

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things out. And you come to certain principled conclusions with that. Number one, it doesn't

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happen overnight. Number two, you have to create an organizational structure. It can't just be

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anarcho-syndicalist, okay? And number three, you have to have a foundation of how you do this,

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okay? And that aspect is not something that happens just with some dilettante approach.

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So if I want to build a bridge, let's say you and I, and Don, we said, let's go build a bridge.

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You could just sort of try to do it, right? And we may just get lucky and get everything

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correct and we'll build it. Or we say, you know what? To build a bridge, I really have to understand

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physics and forces and how things work. And once you understand that, you can use that

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theory, capital T, to build a bridge. You guys see what I'm saying? Or if you say, hey, look,

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I want to build something called an airplane, or I want to fly. What took human beings recognition

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that you have to understand Bernoulli's principle? And engineering, if you're building stuff, you get

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this concept. You can get lucky and maybe build an airplane. But once you understand principles,

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you can actually build an airplane. That same thinking, R.B., has not been applied to political

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movements. The first, I mean, so in the history of human development to try to overthrow their

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slave master, you know, you had revolts, right? The early 1700s and 1800s were more liberal,

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classical liberal thinking. These weren't done by people. These were done by philosophers,

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right? Or political scientists. If you look at Marx, was really a social scientist. So if you

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look at the works of Lenin, so or Che Guevara, right? I mean, on the left, right? And you can

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even look at it on the right, both sides. They were sort of probing the world to try to say,

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how do you build a movement? So you had fascism arose, right? Out of that, right? Different

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aspects of these concepts called human movements. The biggest problem was there was really not a

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physics to understanding how to build a movement, R.B. and Don. That fundamental, so if you go read

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State and Revolution by Lenin, right? Lenin is talking about this feature of the obvious

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establishment and the social democrats, the Mensheviks, right? So he was starting to understand

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some of these features. But the Leninist model was a centralized governance system, which would

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bring the vanguard. But it was, it didn't have the concept of system science. It was only in 1957,

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with the work of Ilya Pogrony, that we started understanding systems and control systems theory.

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So my point is that the development of the masses of people trying to free themselves

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from the oppressor to create a different world, that is no different than people trying to figure

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out how to fly or to build a bridge. You need a physics. And without that, we'll be sort of just,

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you know, hitting our head against a wall. And that physics, you know, with all the degrees I

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got at MIT, what I uncovered was there is a knowledge of system science. And you can apply

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this. It is the fundamental basis of understanding all systems, R.B. And what that reveals is that

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there is a physics, there are principles, and you have to educate at least a core group of people

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to understand this. And it doesn't happen overnight. Now, we've done that. You've had to create your

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own university of sorts, okay? You have to educate people. So you have to have the right theory.

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Number two, you have to have a community. Not everyone's going to understand all the details,

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but you do have to have enough people. And then you have to build a community,

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which recognizes that change is not going to happen overnight. So to your point, you know,

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revolutionaries have said it is very in vogue to be a revolutionary when revolution is in the air,

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and then people go back to their lives, right? So it's cool to be part of the truckers movement

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when everyone's part of the truckers movement. Or it's cool to be antiwar, and then when the

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antiwar stuff ends, people go back. So part of the recognition is that feature, R.B.,

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that working people are working hard. So you have to almost integrate the aspect of changing the

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world into life, like eating, you know, hydrating, working out, this. And that's what we are doing.

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So in Truth Through the Mouth, you know, it's been a long, I recognize you have to take,

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you can't take system science and only teach it to 50 people at MIT. You're going to use it to

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impress people. So that knowledge we've brought into, that's the core theory. And it's the most

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cutting edge theory of how to build a movement. The next thing is you have to build a community.

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You have to have organizational structure. But the organization develops based on meritocracy,

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about contributions people make, all volunteers. And it has to be global. The problem with

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revolutionary movements, when it's in one country, it can get hammered, okay? It has to be decentralized,

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and you have to have parallel infrastructure. So we've created that. And then the other thing is

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you have to be innovative here, coming up with actions people can be collectively involved in

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that raises their consciousness, knowing that we're playing the long game RB. So now given that

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context, why am I running for office? Well, my running for office in 2018, even though I don't

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believe in the electoral system. But when we ran against Elizabeth Warren, because the goal was

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to build a movement, a lot of people got involved, right? Oh, but we use the fake Indian, real Indian

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things really exposed the issue of hypocrisy and corruption. In 2020, it was more even more

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interesting, because that run exposed the fact that voting machines are corrupt. So when you

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step into the corruption, you poke the bear, the bear attacks, you take that information, and you

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educate people. But it's not like we're talking about Kennedy stuff 40 years ago, or 9-11. We're

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talking about here now, if you're giving people the experience of poking the bear, getting feedback,

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so you create warrior scholars, you say, so we're just we're just about out of time. I appreciate

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you going so long, Dr. Shiva. RB, sum up real quick. And then I'll let our I want to let Dr.

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Shiva promote whatever he wants to promote. No, I think that Dr. Shiva is on the right point. And

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I've been following his work before. A lot of people don't like the way he's so forthright

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about calling out the people that are that are suspected of being controlled opposition and

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everything. And I understand he gets a lot of blowback from that. But at least he speaks the

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truth, his own truth, and is not afraid of that. And I find that very admirable. And thank you for

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everything you're doing, Dr. Shiva. It was great being on the show. Don, thanks for inviting me on

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to talk to Dr. Shiva. I'd like to have Dr. Shiva on my show sometime to really explore this and flesh

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it out, because I think he's onto something. The biggest problem we have is fighting through the

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complacency and infiltration. If there is a way that we could fight back against that in a in a

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manner that opens people's minds up to it, you know, that gives them the tools, the philosophical

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and basically infrastructural tools to deal with it, because it's going to happen every time. I

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think that's a real good step forward. And I want to thank you for everything you're doing.

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Yeah, RB. And so I guess I'll do that, RB, we should flush this out, because this is

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a central issue. And that's the infrastructure that we've created. It's been a long. So we've

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created our own tools. But to enable the individual to go through their own conscious

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understanding. And that's what you want. It's not going to happen overnight. To think you're

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going to do one movement is going to happen. That is what the establishment wants to do,

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because that's how they run everything, right? Giving this very decadent way of human existence,

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right? You do this, you take this pill, and you lose 50 pounds, you do this one action and things,

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oh, and it didn't happen. Oh, my God, movements fail. So that we have to teach people those

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dynamics, right? To get really healthy. It's a long process. Right? You have to have some

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discipline, you have to schedule yourself, you have to eat right, we have to do a bunch of things.

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It's not any one thing. And health develops over time. So if you want to build a political movement

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to smash the existing swarm, to think it's going to happen overnight, that itself is what should

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not be promoted. This is a long game. It could be a very long game. But the important thing is

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to understand that you have to build and grow a movement based on these very fundamental

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understanding of the scientific principles of how to build a movement, the fact that you need

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community, and that you're taking actions to strengthen your own political muscle, just like

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you would go lift weights. And that knowledge is what we need to teach. So out of that, Arby,

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you get a set of really good people, not like, you know, dilettante people come and go.

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That structure needs to be built, Arby, and that hasn't been.

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Dr. Schieve, we could go on and on. You've got a lot of information, you got a lot to say. And

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we all certainly wish you luck in Congress. God knows we need somebody in there who is involved.

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Where can people find you or anything you want to close?

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This is what the, so by the way, I thank you. You have a great audience. What I want to offer

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people the opportunity for their own growth is people should go to Schieve for Senate,

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wherever you are. We have people in Canada calling. Within a few minutes, people can get

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onboarded and help make phone calls right into Massachusetts. People can go to Truthfreedomhealth.com.

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We've created a set of 20 free courses, a curriculum, and wherever people want to go,

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they can participate. There's a leadership team. So we've created a parallel institution for

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training. We've created right now an action opportunity with My Run for Senate. And people

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need to understand, My Running for Senate is a global opportunity, because this is why Israel

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spent so much money on funding every senator and congressman. Because a U.S. Senate election is not

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a U.S. Senate election. It is a global position. So my winning in Massachusetts, and we have the

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opportunity to potentially win, because we have brand equity here. And Massachusetts

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is the intellectual center, Don and Arby, of the global swarm, Harvard, MIT, et cetera.

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So what I would compel people to do is action-oriented, go to Schieve for Senate,

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sign up to volunteer, and spend one hour a day. And we make it easy. You don't have to

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dial. You click a button, and it'll connect you to a conversation with somebody. It's really fun.

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Well, we certainly wish you luck. And I appreciate you taking all the time. We've

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gone over, you know, lots of great stuff. Arby, maybe you can have Dr. Schieve on your show,

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too, the audience. Thanks, Ellen. Thanks, Arby. Thanks, Patrice. Thanks, Tony. Thanks,

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everybody in the chat. I can't go over everybody, but I appreciate you taking all the time,

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Dr. Schieve. I want to thank Jerry Payne for connecting us, Don. Yes. Thank you very much,

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Jerry Payne. I think he's a regular Substack reader for me. And he said you're a campaign

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manager. I was like, wow, that's really cool. So yeah, thanks, Jerry, very much for hooking us up.

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And thanks, everybody. Thank you again, Dr. Schieve. Good luck to you. Thanks, everybody,

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for listening to my protests. We'll talk to you next week at the exact same time. Take care.

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Thank you.