#235 America Unplugged -Lindsey Graham, Legacy, and the Smoke of Distrust

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Donald Jeffries, Donald Jeffries, author of Hidden

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History and Survival of the Richest, host of The Donald Jeffries

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Show. Billy Ray Valentine, Billy Ray Valentine,

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host of The Infinite Fringe podcast,

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researcher, truth seeker from the Bronx, New York.

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Tony Arterburn, Tony Arterburn, radio host,

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combat veteran, precious metals analyst, and alt-historian.

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Together they take on the headlines of the week, decode the disinformation

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and plow through the mainstream propaganda.

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Unauthorized, unscripted, and unintimidated.

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This is America Unplugged.

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Billy, I think you're muted. Well, here we go.

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And that worked out great. I was saying a bunch of stuff. Hey, I was

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like, he's taking his time. I was like, is there like a pause for

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effect? I was letting you know the music run, you know, and it's about to

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be epic. What's going on everybody? How are you

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doing? It is America Unplugged. My name is Billy Ray Valentine, the War

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on Reality Report. It's Billy the Kid right here with Tony Ardernburn,

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the wisest of all the wolves. How are you? Welcome back to your show,

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sir. Well, it's great to be back. Good to see you and Don.

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Uh, I noticed yesterday I was talking to Melissa,

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uh, driving back from Dallas, and I go, please tell me that all

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these, uh, flags at half-staff around Texas are not for Lindsey Graham.

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But I'm pretty sure they are. Yeah, man, you know, Lady G

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got a lot of support, man. It's a lot of support. That's a lot of

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Fox News viewers out there. God bless Lady G. Um,

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I, I have no— I mean, I thought he was a horrible person,

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but you know, it sucks. I know there's people that love him out there,

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so God bless to him. I hope

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he's in a better place, and I hope he's in a place where he can,

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you know, freely, uh, be who he is,

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you know, because he, he was, you know, in, in a personal

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hell here in, in in, uh, on Earth because he refused

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to come out of the closet. Dude, listen, if anybody's

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dealing with that, it's not worth it. Do what you do, otherwise you're

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going to end up like Lady G. God bless Lindsey Graham, a horrible,

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horrible person, wanted people to die. Um,

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still, uh, you know, the life experience

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is tough, you know. I— to, to, to walk on Earth and live this life,

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it's not an easy thing. It is a privilege, it is a beautiful thing,

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but it's not easy. Nobody ever guaranteed that this would be easy.

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So, um, I wanna, I wanna take that into account when— and

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not pass a judgment on the man, although, I mean, I'm calling him horrible

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on a human level, you know. Um, everything else is up to God.

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Tony Arterburn, thoughts, man? Yeah, I talked about it on my show.

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I'm, I'm with you in the sentiment. I don't, uh— somebody passes, I mean,

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you go back to Robert Mueller passing away,

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and I mean, the, the rhetoric from Trump was just so over

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the top. And then you You want to steer clear of, of celebrating someone's

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death, but I talked about on my show Thursday just the, the impact that

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he had with the, the privilege of power, the ability to affect

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change and to affect policy. I thought was very unfortunate

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that he used the 33 years that he had to promote violence, to promote war.

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That if you look at the arc of his tenure as

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a politician of note, of somebody in power, If you look at the steep decline

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of not only American power but American culture under his watch,

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I mean, I think it's a testament to the skewed, evil views

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that he had. I mean, none of his policies were sound. None of it worked

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out for America. All of it drove us deeper into debt, deeper into disunion,

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further fracturing society. I think that his legacy

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is, again, one of chaos, one of death, one of war. You know,

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when you embrace death, uh, the way that it usually works

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is it, uh, it embraces you back. Oh man, yeah. And, uh, if you— you

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know, I, I don't even necessarily think that it's wrong.

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I mean, Jesus said that if you live by the sword, so shall you die

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by it. And I told my grandmother years ago when she— we mentioned that,

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that passage, I said, but he never said it was wrong. And I'm not really

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saying in effect that, you know, having a, a mind for

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war is wrong, because I talked about Douglas MacArthur and I talked about

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Patton and and others, even Teddy Roosevelt, uh, who was

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a big warmonger, but he said, follow me. He didn't say charge. He led

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the charge himself. I mean, you know, even,

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but, you know, even people like Douglas MacArthur, who was a god of war,

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uh, at the end of his life, he wanted to abolish all war into all,

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you know, national constitutions. He was the biggest proponent for peace in

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the world of— in the 20th century. At the time of his death, he begged

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Lyndon Johnson to stay out of Vietnam. Other things like that.

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Lindsey Graham would have never had that arc. It was just, you know,

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not, not someone who led battles, not someone who suffered from them, but someone

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who just— a proponent for perpetual war for

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the sake of it, for the— for whatever energy that

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is. And I don't think he was coming from a place of good, uh,

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and, you know, his nickname, not only Lady G but Lockheed

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Lindsey— there was a lot of war profiteering. Oh, that one's good.

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I had never heard that one before, but it fits. It's, it's up, it's,

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uh, you know, it fits 100%. Anything else, Tony, before I turn it

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over to Dunn? No, I mean, I just agree with you on that. I mean,

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we're— I'm not going to spike the football that somebody, you know,

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died suddenly. You know, he's relatively young. I mean, Stephen's 71,

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is young for now with all the technology we have, just to suddenly die.

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But he also was a big proponent for,

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uh, the safe and effective Jabs, uh, and he

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was a big proponent for government surveillance and, uh, other things. You know,

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if you don't have anything to hide, why do you care? You know, why don't

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we look at all, uh, stuff like that. So, you know,

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a life that was wasted in my opinion. If you

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don't have anything to hide, what do you care? But what do you— meanwhile,

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he's hiding his entire life in a closet. Yeah,

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then his entire life. There is some Uh,

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uh, transsexual person that came out after

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this. Apparently they had signed— I don't know how true it is, but yeah,

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came out and said apparently they had signed an NDA, and she was like,

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yeah, um, now that he's dead, I can come out and talk about it and

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all the stuff that he had me do, you know. And there's more,

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there's more people coming out and saying this now. I mean, it wasn't— it was

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all— this was common knowledge amongst anyone He,

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he never— not that I know— he, he never had a

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woman next to him. You know, he, he, he's the infinite bachelor.

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And, uh, and he kind of had female tendencies. You know, he was kind of

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like, you know— well, God bless him. It does seem like if you

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look at his rhetoric— and I talked about this on my show, I didn't mention

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these words, but as it comes to mind as you're going over

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the— that latest revelation— it seemed to

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me that the energy he had talking about, you know, we're making all the right

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moves, we're cutting taxes and we're killing all the right people.

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Yeah, that's a kink. That's some kind of

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kink. Like, that is a— that's linked to a sexual expression,

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in my opinion. Like, it's something he gets off on, which is what I was

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talking about in the sense that it's not like a solemn duty, like we have

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to, you know, engage the enemy. He didn't know who the enemy was.

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Agreed. That's another— that's another thing, you know. We're— we were just fighting

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for the sake of it. If you look at America's enemies are mostly internal,

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that we do have some foreign adversaries, but only because we really make it that

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way. But most of the threats we have, I'd say 98%, are all internal.

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Yo, Kenny Powers is, is super cool.

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He, he clearly has watched The Rocky Horror Picture Show with

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this, this comment. What's up, Kenny? How you doing? Uh,

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Don, what's up? What are you thinking of, of, of Lady

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G? Well, I wrote about him and Caitlin Clark together on Substack, my latest

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one. But, uh, you know, I obviously— Lindsey Graham is probably my least

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favorite politician. As I said, he He was in power for all those years,

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and it was really kind of remarkable that he never once, you know,

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came down on the side of the people. I mean, he was pretty much wrong

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on every issue all the time, so it was pretty consistent.

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So, you know, horrible, you know, obviously a horrible politician, but there's something

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about him that's tragic, you know. And I think earlier this year when he went

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to Disney World by himself— yeah, right, a 71-year-old man going

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to Disney World by himself, that's pretty odd in itself.

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You know, and waving that little pink wand around that he had. I mean,

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there's, there's something tragic about that. It really is. And so when you

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die, and it just shows no matter how, you know, what a life

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you lead and whatever rewards he got, and I don't know what rewards he got

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because he died alone. And, uh, and I said, you know, all of us,

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we're all forgotten soon enough, but he was forgotten.

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He didn't have anybody to forget him. You know, I mean, he'll be remembered in

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Washington, you know, like all the other horrible politicians, but he's not going to go

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down in history. He didn't do anything historic. But he just, you know, he sold

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out for what? I don't know. Maybe he had a lot of boy lovers.

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I don't know. You know, who knows? But, uh, it's— there's something sad

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about it. But certainly, you know, and I, like you guys, I'm not going to

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spike the football over it. I, you know, Henry Kissinger died at age 100.

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You know, it's like it didn't give me any joy. These people that say,

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I can't wait till so-and-so dies— why? It's not gonna— it's not gonna make your

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life any better. You know, so there's something in it. You know what, I think

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we'll all be judged. And so whatever he was— and it's not, you know,

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they say, I mean, it certainly seems like he was closeted, but,

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you know, he could have been like— you remember there's a film critic called Rex

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Reed back in the day who everybody thought was gay, and it turned out he

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was asexual and no interest in sex.

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Lindsey Graham could have been asexual, who knows? I mean, you know, we don't

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know, but I mean, whatever he was, he— and I, I will give

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him, you know, he didn't— and he kind of, you know, when he went

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to the rumors, he just kind of smiled. He didn't really vehemently deny them

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or anything. So, but His biggest— one thing I found amazingly,

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I had no idea. I think it was Shapiro that was bragging about his service,

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his military service. Tony, did you know? I had no idea he was

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in the Air Force. Yeah, he was in the Air Force Reserves. Yeah,

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it was, it was a long time. Yeah, I mean, of course he had— he

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was nowhere near a battlefield. He was a lawyer. And so he, like, he was

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like the, the military prosecutor in Europe or something like that. And then

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any— they got a Bronze Star for his legal work during

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Iraq or so. It's like, you know, which is, is ridiculous,

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but I, I can't technically call him a chickenhawk because

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he was in the military. He didn't serve anywhere, but,

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uh, you know, so that was shocking to me because I just figured he was

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a typical chickenhawk and he had nothing to do with the military. So, uh,

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that's something I learned. I didn't look into his background enough. But it's, you know,

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it's, it's sad when any— it's sad when anybody dies and they don't,

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uh, you know, when they leave no one. To me, that's one of the saddest

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things in life. You know, what is it? It's a Wonderful Life said, you know,

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no man is a failure who has friends. And I don't know how many friends

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Lindsey Graham had. I doubt he probably had many. But,

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uh, you know, when you don't have any family— I will say he, he had

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a much younger sister and he adopted her. So I said, you know, who knows,

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maybe, maybe that was a good thing. Maybe he did something nice for her.

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I don't know. I, I joked in Substack, maybe he put some sexy

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young boy through college or something.

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He might have done a few good things. We don't know. But, uh,

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Based on his record, he was, you know, he was horrible. He was a warmonger.

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And, uh, and I wouldn't say the world is better off now because I don't

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celebrate when anybody dies, but, uh, Congress is a better place without

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him. We'll say that. I, I'm reminded, Don, you probably get a kick out of

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this, back in the '30s, uh, 1930s, Winston Churchill was kind of in his

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wilderness years. And that was when the, you know, Germany was rebuilding

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and he just kind of was laughed out of the room. Like people didn't want

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anything to do with him. He had all those failures, you know, with, uh,

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Gallipoli and, uh, being Chancellor of the Exchequer,

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all that stuff. But, uh, Stanley Baldwin was Prime Minister

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at the time, and years later Stanley Baldwin passed away during,

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you know, uh, right before the lead-up to World War II. And they asked

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Winston Churchill what he thought of Stanley Baldwin, who's like a political rival. He said,

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well, Stanley Baldwin was a good man, but it would have been better

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had he never been born. That was it.

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And, and R.B. Hamm reminds me, when I mentioned the sister, of course she did

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get appointed to his Senate seat That's, oh, that's one of, that's one

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of the, that's one of the ways you can come into Congress is you,

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you either have to be a lawyer, a retired professional athlete,

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retired athlete, a retired actor, or you can be related to whoever was in Congress,

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you know, like Sonny Bono's wife. So Lindsey Graham's

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sister probably couldn't be too much more ridiculous than Sonny Bono's wife was.

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So let's, uh, so, uh, there's that. But yeah, it just, you know, we did—

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I, I don't, I don't like celebrating any of that stuff. And I think people

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that do that are ghoulish when they, you know, like you said with Mueller or

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anybody. These people that I couldn't stand, but I just

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think there's something about, you know, I think it's a part of morality not to.

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It doesn't change them when they die. They don't— they're not— it's not— virtue

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is not retroactive. But I just think it's something about it that's not

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right to celebrate it. Agree. Yeah, I, I totally agree. Um,

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there's a comment up, and I left it up on purpose because I know we

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didn't speak about this, but I want to ask you guys, uh, you know,

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the, the Canada smoke, uh, smells different It

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says, uh, than, uh, than typical campfires, man. And I, I just had

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a conversation with somebody, a couple of people about this, because I've,

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I've lived in New York all my life, and not

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until very recently have I been plagued with smoke from

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Canada, bro. You know, I remember 2 years ago, I want to say, that freaking

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the, the sky turned orange here. It looked like an episode of Dragon Ball

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Z, okay? But that was the first time I ever saw anything

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like that. And now it seems to be like the norm

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that I'm dealing with, with smoke from Canada. I don't,

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I don't understand. I didn't experience this before.

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I know it's a thing in LA, I mean, in, in California, you know.

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Um, I think they, they had it a lot more often than we did,

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but I don't remember this happening in New York that often.

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I mean, do you guys— did you guys get hit with any of this wherever

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you guys— oh, we could— we, we couldn't go outside yesterday here. The air quality

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was so bad. I had to hold my breath when I took my dog out.

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It was It was— you could see that, like one of those old pictures of

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New York City back in the '60s with the smog. It was everywhere.

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I mean, but did— is this— did this— has this happened regularly

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to you guys? No, no, right? Like, I, I just, I just don't

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know why. I'm sure there's an explanation for it, but it's just like,

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what the hell is going on, you know? Because it's— it was a lot.

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And did you get hit with it, Tony? No, but I remember in

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the '90s when I was a kid, they had a lot of fires in

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Mexico, and it It, it really affected North Texas.

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I mean, I remember that it was, uh, from that far away too, which I

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was always amazed by, right? Uh, all that distance.

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But yeah, it gets up in the, you know, upper atmosphere, and who knows?

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I mean, and you, you— it's not just wood that's burning, right?

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Hmm. I don't know. Anyway, um, just wanted to,

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to touch on that real quick. Okay, listen, I want to play, uh,

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a couple of clips that we have lined up for today. We're going to talk

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about, uh, Trump's speech on Wednesday about election

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integrity and how the 2020 election was

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stolen. And it largely backfired on him

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through, of course, the left was going to

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poo-poo the speech, but a lot of people on the right did the same.

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It was a bizarre speech. Uh,

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and then he put out a bunch of documents that contradicted

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almost everything he said. Uh, so I, I think at this point we can put,

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uh, these things to bed. The Trump administration, who has all

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the power in their hands to prove that the 2020 election

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was rigged, can't prove it. They can't do it.

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They don't have any proof to produce,

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and they are in power right now. Um, and, and all he did

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was contradict himself. But hey, listen, we're gonna play Ty Cobb, who was one

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of Trump's, uh, what was he, uh, Tone, um, a lawyer for Trump

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during the first Trump's counsel years ago. Yeah, right. And I think they

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worked closely on a lot of cases. Yeah. So, um,

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we're gonna play him talking about the speech that

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Trump, uh, did on Wednesday,

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and then we'll comment on it. Let me unmute it. But I thought

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it was spot on. The limits of his

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authority and the potential consequences for future elections.

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We turn now to Ty Cobb, an attorney who served as the special counsel

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during the first Trump administration. I spoke with him a short time ago.

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Ty Cobb, welcome back to the NewsHour. My pleasure.

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Nice to be with you, Jeff. Ty, you have described a broader pattern here,

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President Trump's focus on voting machines, his efforts

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to change mail-in voting, voter registration requirements,

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most recently his removal of members of the Election Assistance Commission.

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What does tonight's speech add to that picture?

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Well, I think tonight's speech is intended to add the

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predicate that he needs to declare an emergency at

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or about the time of the elections. As you know, Steve Bannon and Todd Blanche

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have suggested that there will be ICE agents at the polls.

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I think that that's a virtual certainty. Whether that will include the National

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Guard or not, we don't know. But anything to

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intimidate minority voters, particularly immigrant

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voters, and also I think anything

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that allows them to try to seize voting

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machines as Trump wanted to do in 2020, But Bill Barr

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explained to him there was just no basis for it. I think you'll— I think

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you will see him doing everything he can to try to

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prevent the peaceful transfer of power, the election of Democrats,

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and do whatever he can to remain in power and to keep his cronies

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in power so that he can continue doing

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what he thinks he's allowed to do as president, which is anything he wants.

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President Trump has said in the past that he believes if Democrats win control

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of Congress in the midterms, that he'll be impeached. When you say that you

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believe he's intent on declaring a national emergency,

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what guardrails remain if the president does in fact

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use the power of the federal government to shape how the midterm elections are

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conducted? I think the only real guardrail is,

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you know, for people to get to the polls to vote against the level

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of corruption and insanity and frivolity that we've seen,

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the type of conduct that has made the world more dangerous,

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and that, you know, has enriched President Trump

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to the tune of somewhere between, you know, $4 and $8 billion during

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the time he's been in office. We know he made $2.2 billion

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last year, largely on crypto. We know that his stock

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trades, you know,

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he had hundreds of stock trades last

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year, if not thousands. I think Obama had zero,

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Biden had 13 by comparison. And that

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many of those stock trades were followed by statements from Trump touting

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the products of the companies that he had bought or giving them government

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contracts. So what we have seen is so inimical

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to what it has historically meant to be an American

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president. Where integrity, courage,

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straightforwardness, and, and an interest in the

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lives of the people that are being governed

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were at the front and center. We have a president now who's there solely to

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enrich himself, his family, and his cronies, and to wield power in a way

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that satisfies his basest instincts. We need people to

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come out and vote against that. That is the, that is the guardrail internally.

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Unlike the first administration, when you had people like General Kelly,

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General Mattis, Nikki Haley, Mike Pompeo,

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people of character who, you know, would hold up their hand when Trump wanted to

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do something reckless or self-dealing, we don't have

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that now. I mean, we have the Stephen Millers of the world, the Todd Blanchards,

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whose, you know, mantra is, I love you, sir, you know, I'm your lawyer,

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you know, who has overseen revenge prosecutions, the hollowing

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out of 20% of the lawyers in the Department of Justice, most of Most

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of the most experienced and talented lawyers who were in leadership positions,

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they're, they're gone now. And, and we've redirected FBI

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and DOJ resources under, under Blanche and Patel to

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immigration cases, to the exclusion of counterterrorism cases,

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money laundering cases, fraud, and civil rights.

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So I think we need people to come out and vote against it. That's the

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best guardrail we have. And that's the only remaining guardrail in our democracy.

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And yet, if there were genuine vulnerabilities in voting

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machines or attempts by China to interfere, those would

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be major national security concerns. How should a

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president responsibly address those concerns without

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using them to undermine confidence in an election that

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has already been settled? Well,

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I think when you say those concerns, I mean, those concerns are

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inflated, overrated, and exaggerated. You know,

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there is, there is, there is evidence

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historically that China and Russia, you know, had some influence

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peddlers, that Iran and Venezuela have,

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that we do, we do this around the world as well, you know,

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trying to influence people and public opinion. But,

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but on the voting machines, you know, that's been looked at.

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And frankly, when, when Fox tried to support

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Trump's wild claims about, you know, abusive voting machines in 2020.

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It cost them almost $1 billion,

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$787 million that they had to

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pay out, you know, for fraudulently supporting Trump's

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unfounded claims. And we're going to see that again.

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You know, Trump's going to make more unfounded claims. The intelligence that comes into the

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CIA and the FBI is always graded. Uh, you know,

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some of it's good, some of it comes from reliable sources,

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some of it comes, uh, arises under circumstances that have some credibility.

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None of, none of the stuff that you're— we're going to hear tonight is that,

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and particularly the Venezuela stuff. I mean, he's going

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to use Maduro, probably fabricate a statement of facts, you know,

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to support a guilty plea for Maduro, which will later be followed by,

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uh, the type of Ghislaine Maxwell treatment where he

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gets favorable treatment in exchange for doing what the administration wants.

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I think people need to see through this.

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And you're not going to see

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reliable people, people historically who

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have the respect of the American people, the intellectuals,

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the historians, the journalists.

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You're going to see people of the type of Bill Pulte and

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John Solomon, who you know, have been conspiracy theorists from the start

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who are willing to do whatever Trump asks, supporting these claims. But you're not going

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to see many credible people do this. And I think people need

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to— when they— when you talk about serious claims, I think the

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serious is the flaw in that statement,

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because they aren't serious. This is unserious. This is Trump,

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you know, acting out his fantasy and trying desperately

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to push his his minions, uh, to help him,

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uh, pretend, uh, as he has rewritten history over January 6th,

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as he has rewritten history, uh, about the 2020 election,

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to go along with him. Um, there's a little bit more left, but I'm,

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I'm not going to play it because it's, it's long at this point. I didn't

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think it was that long. Um, so a lot

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of this that he discussed, uh, you heard here first.

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Really, um, uh, we've been talking about this for since,

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since the beginning of the Trump, uh, second term,

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talking about what he plans to do. Not that he will be successful,

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but he, he seeks to stay in office, guys. He seeks to rig everything

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that he can rig. If Trump is saying it, believe the

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opposite of it. If Trump— if Trump is saying that the election was

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rigged against him, It was probably rigged for him.

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That's the way it is. And, and the bottom line of it— I know a

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lot of people don't want to accept this fact— bottom line is Trump

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is in office now and still is unable

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to prove that, uh, the 2020 election was

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rigged against him. Also, uh,

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2016 wasn't rigged and 2024 weren't rigged.

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The only, the only time it was rigged was 2020 when Trump

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happened to be in power. Trump was in power when it

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happened, and he is in power again, right?

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And, and, and he hasn't been able to produce any evidence

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that says that, uh, that, uh, um,

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you know, that the election was, was rigged to get him out. Anyway,

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he said a mouthful there. Uh, there was a lot of information, uh take

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what you will and, and analyze for us. Tony, what's up?

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Well, I— going back to that point you just made, uh, yeah,

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he was in power in 2020. That's— we've had elect— you can go back

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to Donald Jeffrey's work, Hidden History, the Vote Scam.

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Go look into that. There's a, a plethora of knowledge

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and breakdown of issues we've had with voting in this country since its founding.

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But in the modern era, or error, which we

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have now, uh, I mean, I wholeheartedly disagree that there's soundness

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in electronic voting machines. I think the entire process needs

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to be scrapped. It needs to be abolished, um,

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because there is always the chance of illegitimacy from either

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side saying something was hacked. So you can bypass that by having

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paper ballots and reinforcing the infrastructure in the country

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to be able to count them. Not like a third— you know, not— well,

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actually, third world countries do better. Not like we've done recently where you can

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just have unlimited ballots and unlimited counting and unlimited days.

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There shouldn't be any early voting anymore. You should have one day and

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people should get off work that day to be able to vote. We should have

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a national holiday or voting or something like that. Again, in each state,

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uh, there needs to be reformation on all points. So saying the,

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the issue here, it's a false dichotomy that one,

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you've, you've got somebody like Trump who's always bringing up something that

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happened years ago and not doing anything about it while he had the chance

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to do something about it. Which is, which is the most annoying part because people

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go, oh look, see, he's finally doing something about the— what he did in,

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in 2020. That was his fault. He locked us down

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on Friday the 13th, March of 2020. He's the one that gave that executive

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order. He's the one that funded the states to, to lock people

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down and continue that. So that festered and created this— metastasized

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into all of the paper ballots. And the lockdown election

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created the confusion and all that was 2020 that ultimately

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culminated in January 6th. All of that was from his

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leadership. And you could— there's so many things

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wrong with the 2020 election, but I think there was things wrong with

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pretty much every election because we have all these, uh,

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mail-in ballots that come in later. And, and the— it's,

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it's not even the voter ID laws in this country are completely

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screwed up. So saying that nothing's wrong is also— or,

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or that Nikki Haley and Mike Pompeo, you know, the,

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the we lie, we cheat, we steal, we took classes on it guy— is

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not the point of integrity in an administration. So I

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disagree with Cobb there, but I know Cobb worked with Trump.

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He said something years ago that David Knight's quoted often

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that I happen to agree with, is that the operating system of Trump is a

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deeply wounded narcissist. This isn't about uh,

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voter, you know, clarity or having some sort of reformation in

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the sense of our, our very broken voting system.

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This is about what Cobb said. I— the larger point is that

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Trump will use this as a catalyst for some sort of crackdown or attempted

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crackdown, because he is correct. If given mathematics and every

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failure that has occurred in the last, uh,

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year and a half If you add that up, you have a

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disastrous midterm election. And if you look at Mondame

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and all the things that are happening across the board in the country and

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the demographic shift with that, I, I think the writing's on the wall.

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So that's, that's what the speech was about. But in the larger point that we

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have, you know, problems with our voting, yeah, on one side, let's,

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you know, there's all this— there's a fraud, we're hacking the elections. The other side

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says there's no fraud. Or at least there's no fraud when it doesn't serve

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them. You know, Hillary Clinton, you know, Russiagate and all that shit.

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So I think that both sides are wrong here, that we do have a problem.

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We should go back to paper ballots, and there should be, uh, by local

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levels, um, more accountability when it comes— if we

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really want to try to have a system of voting anymore. Um,

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but again, false dichotomy. But Cobb is right in

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the sense that Trump's going to use this as a catalyst for something.

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Don, what's up, sir? Yeah, I would— I would like to—

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I'm trying not to fall asleep during Ty Cobb's, although his

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mustache was kind of mesmerizing. A lot of comments about him in the chat about

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his look. He didn't look like the Georgia Peach that I know and love from,

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uh, baseball history. But, uh, I— yeah, I mean, again, I don't, I don't know.

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He's— it was just typical. Trump is so easy to bash. I mean, it's,

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it's, it's like, you know, it's kicking a dead horse. I mean, it's ridiculous.

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And this guy, when he talked about immigrants as being especially

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affected and everything, he sounded like a, a woke liberal in his language.

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And so it reminds you, why was he Trump's lawyer? Because Trump

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always, at least for the most part, picks Never Trumpers to surround

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himself with, and then I guess complains about it when he fires them. So,

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you know, this guy, when he's talking about the, you know, the electronic voting machine,

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Tony's exactly right. I mean, they need to get rid of those machines.

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Just because Fox News capitulated in their lawsuit and fired Tucker Carlson,

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that doesn't make electronic machines voting, uh, you know, any more reliable.

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We should use paper ballots, and that's— and they should have scrutiny.

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Everybody, all sides should be there witnessing, and they shouldn't have to go

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a certain distance away. They should be right there witnessing it. Nobody should be pulling

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the shades down. Should be an open process. Sunlight should be all over

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it, and it's not that way. And so people are always going to be suspicious.

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And the only reason the 2020 election got the attention it did is because Trump

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was the first politician to ever complain that he'd been robbed.

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Ron Paul wouldn't do it, Pat Buchanan wouldn't do it, and we know they were

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robbed. Trump— and of course Trump did it in the way he does it so

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that he made a lot of people hate him for doing it because he just

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sounded like a 10-year-old complaining and, you know, somebody took his

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toy or something. So This— I mean, I don't

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know if we're going to get on to what, you know, Trump is now alleging,

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which is that the, uh, the election was, uh, I guess controlled or

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stolen by China. I guess that's which he never has made that point before,

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I don't think. So I don't know what that is now. And again, it's directing

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attention away from, you know, we're talking about Russia or China or any other country.

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The only— Venezuela, which is really laughable. The only

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country that has an impact on our electoral process is Israel, and everybody

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knows it. There's lots of memes out there. Good thing that China's controlling election.

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They're showing all the, the Israeli flags outside congressional offices

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and stuff. That's— and that's what this is a distraction from, because our Congress shamefully

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just voted to, to put our military together with Israel.

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And God help us if these crazy woke Democrats are, are the voice of

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reason now, because every Republican except Massie voted

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to do that. To their credit, a bunch of the Democrats didn't, and they— but

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This is, this is insanity. And to, to try to deflect away

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the only foreign country you should talk about having influence— I mean, yeah, maybe some

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other countries have some influence, but nothing like Israel. Israel runs

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this place. They want to make it illegal to criticize

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them. So, you know, as long as they do that— and so China,

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China, China is no less dumb than Russia,

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Russia, Russia. Well, Russia, Russia, Russia just so happened to be true.

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And Donald Trump just admitted to it with all the freaking

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documents that were released. Not that this is any— anything new.

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Guccifer 2.0 is a fact. Whether— whether people want

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to accept it or not is something completely different. All right, but, uh, but yes,

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uh, Russia did interfere in the election. It is what it is. They did.

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I mean, I don't know why that's such a hard thing to come to terms

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with. People in the chat saying paper

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ballots, I think that's fucking hilarious. That you think

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that we can revert back to paper ballots and that's gonna fix

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things. Do you remember not too long ago when,

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uh, uh, Steve Puchinik was claiming that China had put together paper ballots

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out of bamboo and that's how they knew that they were fraudulent? You think that's

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not going to come into play? You think that's going to fix things? Paper ballots?

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Oh, paper ballots are going to fix everything. That is the most ludicrous thing I've

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ever heard in my life. It's probably not fixable, but we know these machines— it

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goes back to Vote Scheme— they've caught them many times. Let's call

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it what it is. Let's call it what it is. Are there— and,

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and, and Ty Cobb, we can go back and listen to the boring speech.

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Ty Cobb said, uh, yes, there are issues.

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Are they as big as they're saying it is? No, they're not.

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And these people that are claiming that it is as big as they're saying it

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is haven't been able to prove a damn thing. They have not.

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In VoteScan, the Collier brothers— power— MAGA

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is in power and they have not been able to prove it. How come We

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can't just say that. Long before, long before

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Trump, the Collier brothers who wrote Vote Scam and both died before their times,

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and whose daughter hates me because I, you know, exposed that in the history,

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uh, but, but, um, you know, there years ago they were both computer

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programmers and they wanted to know, they wanted to talk. I think it was University

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of Miami, one of the big programmers for these vote projection things, which is

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tied into the electronic voting machines. And he— they went and approached

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this guy and he said to them, you'll never prove a thing.

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That was his answer. Because they want to know what is the program, what are

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the— what's the algorithm here, how is this based on that. They've consistently gone

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down. They did it in this special election with Georgia that elected the, uh,

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I forget the guy's name, but the 2— 2 that gave the Senate the,

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uh, the Democrats, I guess, the last time. And, uh,

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if you remember that special election, the machines went down. And there

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was like a 20,000-vote swing in the Democrats' direction

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when they came back up. And we see that over and over again. That can't

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happen with paper ballots. And if you, if you have people from all parties—

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and we should have more than 2 parties, obviously— represented there and watching,

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you shouldn't be able to have any chicanery. We shouldn't have to worry about this.

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You have, you have third world countries, allegedly third world countries, that have

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learned how to stop people from voting more than once by making them, you know,

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get a stamp on their hand like you're going in a bar. We can't figure

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that out. Sometimes you have to be old-fashioned because whoever programs those machines

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is, is going to control the results, or they could if they're not, if they're

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not ethical. And I don't think anybody involved in this stuff is ethical. So I

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don't know why anybody would vote at this point anyhow. But it— that's right,

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thank you, Jackson. Warnock and Ossoff. Warnock.

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Uh, but, but to give— this is not

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a partisan issue. These guys, and you know, Russia, Russia, Russia, we We know

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there's a CIA memo detailing how John

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Brennan, one of the all-time favorite, you know, the anti-Trump forces,

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uh, who details— he talks and he says Obama was

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briefed on this, that Hillary Clinton has an— has this idea

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to try to blame Russia for, for the 2016

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election. That's how Russia, Russia, Russia was born. They have a CIA

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memo saying that from their boy Brennan. Please.

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What's— I, I can— what— I don't— what is Guccifer 2.0?

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Explain what you're talking about. What do you mean? Well, well, that's,

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uh, um, uh, the person

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or entity that was responsible for the, for, for the DNC

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hacks, uh, during the whole like Seth Rich thing. And that

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was, uh, Guccifer, uh, traced back to Guccifer 2.0, which was traced

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back to the Kremlin. It was traced back to Russia. This is admitted.

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They did this. It's admitted, you know. Um, a lot

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of, of what conspiracy theory has been discussing, things like Pizzagate,

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they all— it originated out of Russia.

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And this is admitted at this point. If you— if whether or not you want

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to accept it is something completely different. RBM says it was a scam.

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I, I don't believe any of that stuff. It's— again, they're— we're always trying to

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blame other governments for our own problems. Our enemies are in Washington,

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DC, not China, not Russia, not Iran.

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Prove that Guccifer 2.0 was a scam. I can prove

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that 9 times out of 10 whatever you're saying is, is, uh,

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is, uh, not factually correct. 9 times out of 10.

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Prove that Guccifer 2.0 was a scam, please. I, I'd appreciate that. Go ahead,

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Tony. Well, I was going to say we clarify, even if we

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get to Guccifer and it leads back to the Kremlin and the, the DNC email

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hacks and all of that and all, all Pizzagate Seth Rich

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and everything else leads back to the origination from the Kremlin,

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that's still not, uh, the accusation

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that the voting machines themselves or

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that the totals or the interference was from a foreign nation,

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which was what Russiagate was about. It was

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about like getting it— like getting into interference completely by

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the, the process itself. I think there's a little bit of

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a line there. Do you think so? I,

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I think that the line has been blown up.

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I think that the majority of, of what's

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coming out of, of the MAGA right is complete nonsense

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that can't be proven, and people want to believe these things.

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I want these people that are in power right now to prove

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to me that what they've been saying for the last how many Ahmad years is

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correct, and they haven't been able to do it. They haven't been able to

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do it. What I have seen is Putin completely

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puppeteer this guy, and the alternative media decide that that's not

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a thing. It's only Israel that is puppeteering this guy. They are manipulating

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this guy like a puppet because he is completely and totally incompetent

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to do the job. And this is a fact, and we need to own this.

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You know, I, I think we need to say— we need to come out and

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say, hey, yeah, it's true, Russia has been

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manipulating with our stuff. So has Israel.

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And we've been doing the same to other countries. It's the way it is.

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It's also another thing to continue to deny that

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Joe Biden won the 2020 election and, and with absolutely no

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proof. And this is one of the things that, that really pushed me out of

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this space. Because I know, I understand that people

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want to believe this, but when the facts don't line up and people

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reject it, it's a totally different thing. Piper, I'm sorry you're getting

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triggered by me. My apologies. I'm just trying to,

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I'm, I'm just trying to give my point of view here. Well, there, there are

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lots of people that are not— I mean, it would not make anybody feel bad

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that Biden won. I mean, I don't like any of these people.

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There's, there's, there's been fraud probably in every

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election. In 2020, it was more obvious because Donald Trump

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was in the middle of it and he was pointing it out. Nobody else ever

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did that before. The middle of the night vote drop-offs, the over 1,000 unconnected

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people— unconnected to each other— with sworn affidavits saying

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the chicanery, the very strange things they saw in polling places

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and post offices. They— this is obvious something,

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but it all wasn't because of Trump. It wasn't because they had to keep Trump

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out of power because they put him back in power in 2024. It was again,

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probably to cause controversy, maybe to lure the right out finally

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to do something and go to the January 6th thing and crack down

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on that. I don't know. But I mean, the idea that we're defending

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the other side and this has come back in because Trump is now stupidly

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and ludicrously blaming China, which is ridiculous.

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He should call out and not the Democrats. He should call out the system.

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The system is flawed. There's no reason to. To trust

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it. That's why the thing you can't vote yourself, you know, out of it is

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exactly true. Look at what we just seen. Look what happened to Thomas Massie.

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That wasn't China that destroyed him. It was a very popular

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guy that they had. They had tons of AIPAC money that came in there

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and very, you know, very shady things with all pretty much everybody,

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I guess, in the world over 80 voting for him when he won conclusively

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with all the younger people. So I mean, this is, this is just, uh,

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you know, it's very shady.

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Oh, you got Massie there. Yeah, go ahead, let's play with Massie. I'm gonna

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hear what Massie said. No, but, but, but to your point, I, I, I think

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you're right, you know, what, what, what, uh, what they did with Thomas Massie,

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you know. But, but to that point,

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um, I think the sad part is that it was, it was the people

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that put Donald Trump in You know, we, we can, we can

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sit around and speculate on, on a new world order and the Illuminati that

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selects presidents, but I— the, the sad part about it is

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the, the, the most ex— it,

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it's, it's, it's, it asphyxiates me, man, thinking about it.

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I'm like, oh my God, it's really these people. It was, it was

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the American people that put that dude in power through psychological

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operations, I think. What's up, buddy? There is

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that. I want to say something real quick because I was just thinking about this

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and series of events and, and, and, and intervention,

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uh, in voting. I mean, if you look at back in the 2016 election,

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and you can go on my Twitter, there's an archive of this. Go back on

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my Twitter, look at all the— go back to 2016 October,

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and I hadn't made any predictions of what was going to happen in the 2016

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elections before, before then. Not at all. But when, when Comey

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came out at 2 weeks prior to the election in

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October going into November of 2016 and reopened the case

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into, uh, Hillary Clinton's emails because of the Weiner laptop,

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I went on there, I said, uh, Donald Trump's going to win this election.

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That to me was a huge and unprecedented by

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the FBI, unprecedented by the power structure. Why in the hell did they do

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that? That was literally a— it,

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it derailed everything that was really happening prior

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to that. And I said, that's just enough. If you go back and

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look at my Twitter, and of course the whole world and the media,

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99% victory for Clinton. I took every

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bit of— I had very little at the time, but I took all the Bitcoin

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I had and I bet on Trump winning. Wow. And I

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won because I— and I sat down that night at election, you asked my family,

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and I said, he's going to win. It was— I just called it enough because

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I think even elections were more pure then than they are now. We've got a

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lot, mainly because of Trump, we've got a

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lot of problems now with not only voter ID,

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but we've got these mail-in ballots because of the lockdown elections and all the precedents

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that were set during the 2020 election. So that 2016 was probably

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a more— a better snapshot of something

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authentic. Than whatever we have now? Because we really don't know.

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Well, if it was authentic,

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Tone— I don't know that it was completely authentic, because to the

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degree that it was, Trump lost the popular vote. He won via the

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electoral map. It was the swing states. He won by 80,000 votes spread over 4

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states. It wasn't a landslide. It was not the popular vote.

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He did. He lost the popular vote, you know. So if that's a,

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if that's a, a better view of, of where the country stood at the time

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time. Yeah, I thought it was laughable. I started to laugh. Demographic shift, because what

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he— he won states that were formerly part of the production belt

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and became the Rust Belt, and he touched on it just enough because

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there's such disparity because of free trade agreements and globalism.

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It was such disparity, I thought he could reach that, and I was right.

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It was just enough to capture that last gleaming

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bit of demographic there, but he never ran that type of campaign

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again. I don't know what is actually real anymore, but I do know

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that interference comes from everywhere. And I— aside

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from hacking the machines, which is where you get— or the,

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or the last minute, you know, like Don talks about, like, we out in California,

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they just had the, the gubernatorial election. Yeah. And it's an absolute—

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like, the ballots come in and they're late,

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and then it's all for one person Right? Like, it's,

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it's kind of like Lyndon Johnson in '48 when he needed Box 13 to

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get the 83 votes out of Duval County. Like, they get the votes

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they need, which is mathematically impossible,

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you know? It's not people showing up to the back, to the polling place.

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Well, yeah, and Tony was— Tony's right. And during 2020, you know, again, light was

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shown on things that had happened before. I think Barack Obama, nobody paid attention to

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his elections because he won convincingly. Absolutely. And the Republican candidates were so

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awful, they really didn't have any support. And but I think

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in that election, he was the first one— I think, didn't he, Tony, win at

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least one county where he got more votes than there were registered voters? I think

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he was the first one, right? And but, but Biden had— that became a regular

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under him. And we saw where he had, uh, impossible math,

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like, uh, there would be a box of votes that came in and 98%

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of them were for Biden. That's just not possible. And,

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and that's— and that's— but again, nobody looked at that before.

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Ron Paul was screwed over even more in the primaries, and, uh,

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Pat Buchanan was going back to Arizona. Bernie Sanders,

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absolutely. What we forget, we forget the,

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the, the biggest proponents of all the Our Democracy

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and all this horseshit, they came up with a new term. They came up

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with superdelegates. You had delegates And then they had super

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delegates. I mean, the most ridiculous, ludicrous thing

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is in the face— well, and they, and they did, they did that in response

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to 1972 with George McGovern, who, you know, a lot of people think was a

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communist, but he was a genuine anti-war candidate. And he was, he was outside,

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at least to some degree, the establishment left. And they were—

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and of course he got crushed. And that's when the Democrats said

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never again. And they came up with this superdelegates thing.

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So no one like that, it's not going to happen again. And that's why

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Trump, I think he said that's why he chose the Republicans,

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because, you know, he, he, I said bad things about their voters,

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but because of the superdelegate thing. But this is all, you know,

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they've got a lot of people in there saying it's, you know, it's possible if

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Tucker Carlson forms a third party that I'll get sucked in again because I

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am a sucker. There's no question about it. I get fooled over and over again.

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Especially if Tucker runs himself. I'm sure I'll get fooled. I'll probably get sucked in

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again. And, uh, but you know, I, I, I, I, at this

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point I'm not going to vote again. It looks like most of the chat isn't

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in it because I think again most people don't trust that they're— whoever they're voting

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for, they don't trust the votes are being counted honestly. Well,

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yeah, um, and, and, uh, that, that seems

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to be the overall problem. So, so to say that

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paper ballots is going to fix the issue is laughable. Laughable,

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because people will never, never have confidence

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in— at least the people in our bubble will never have confidence in

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an election process. But why do you think that is? It's funny to

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me that people who don't believe

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that, uh, uh, we actually elect the President

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of the United States or, or any high-powered politician would

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say— and I'm not accusing either of you of this— would say that

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paper ballots, uh, are the way to go.

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But I thought elections were rigged, elections didn't matter, but now you want

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paper ballots because that somehow is going to fix things. I think

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that's hilarious. It's laughable to me. Um, you know,

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and, and overall, that's, that's the general problem.

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It's, it's the, the distrust. And I'm not saying that that distrust comes it

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comes out of nowhere. It comes from somewhere for sure, but we need

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proof, guys. We need proof of these things. And,

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and we'll have some proof of something going wrong,

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and we'll take that and blow it up.

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This needs to be reform in so many ways. And, you know, I think

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in the, the more the time has gone on, the more I've— and I've been

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following politics since I was a little boy— the more I'm disinterested, because I do

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believe that there's so much either psychological warfare or internal

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meddling. And I'm not opposed to, you know,

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especially on the local level, if you can— if you're in your county and

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you know that you can have some sort of— you can make a difference

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and you can actually help oversee some of it, or— and you can be closer

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to the earth from it, I think that elections can work. I just— the process

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nationally especially is a real problem. And I do— I

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think maybe you'd have to have fail-safes, perhaps a paper ballot that matches up

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on a blockchain scan and they could be recounted in real

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time or something like that. I mean, they have paper ballots for the,

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the electronic machines. There is a paper trail.

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Yeah, it needs to have fail-safes. There just needs to be reform across the

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board. Uh, you know, I'm not— I don't even think our presidential

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elections work the way that they should anymore. I'm not even sure we should have

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a national vote. Maybe return to the— like that we did the first 6

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presidents of the United States and have Congress elected and have a different congressional system.

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Let me play Thomas Massie before we get out of here, guys. This one's quick.

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House, the Senate, the Supreme Court, and the White House,

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and we're yelling election fraud. I mean, we won all the damn elections

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and we're in charge, and what are we doing with it? We're bankrupting the country,

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we're starting new wars, we're violating the Constitution, we're not cracking

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down on the fraud. The problem is not the elections.

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We won the damn elections. The problem is we're wasting our opportunity

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that the voters gave us, and, and the Republicans are going

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to pay for that in November. It'll be an absolute shellacking if they don't wake

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up. I'm gonna play it again just to get the beginning.

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I think it's ironic that we control the House, the Senate, the Supreme

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Court, and the White House, and we're yelling election fraud.

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I mean, we won all the damn elections. In charge,

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and what are we doing with it? We're bankrupting the country, we're starting new wars,

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we're violating the Constitution, we're not cracking down on the fraud.

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The problem is not the elections. We won the damn elections.

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The problem— I think he's spot on. I think he's spot

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on. And I think the problem is, is the people,

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the deliberate dumbing down of America. We've spoken about this for

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forever and ever and ever and ever. Donald Trump is a manifestation of

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the American people, at least half of this country.

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He is a manifestation of where we stand,

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and that's why we're in the position that we're

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in, because they voted him in. I know people that

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did it. Like, I can't believe some of the people that did it. I know

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3-time Trumpers, 3 times.

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I, I don't understand that. I can't come to terms with it,

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but I understand that it's, that it's, that it's happened,

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you know. And, uh, it's, it's— there's

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a variety of things that have, that have come into play. And, and I,

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I think the real conspiracy here is, is the mind games that they've been playing

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on us, the psychological operation through social media,

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you know, and, and other things. I think, I think that can be proven.

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I think we can we can go down that road and be

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more productive, have, have some fruit to our labor rather than

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talk about paper fucking ballots.

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Just saying. I mean, I think Thomas Massie hit it right on the head.

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We got everything. What are we, what are we talking about, that it's rigged?

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If it's rigged, then they rigged it for MAGA because

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MAGA has everything, including the Supreme Court.

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Dispute that. You cannot. It is a fact.

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We are living in it now. If you don't agree with it, you are

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denying reality, and that's a whole nother problem you got to deal with.

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Tony Ardaburn, what's up? No, I agree with you. I mean, the Republicans,

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uh, have all the power and they don't like power. They like raising money,

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like the grift— or not the GOP, for the grand old party— that the

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grifters on patrol is looking for your— looking for the problem to exacerbate

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it and take your money. I, I I saw that from, uh, from the inside,

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and I'm not a— I'm not a GOP guy. So I think Thomas Massie's right.

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And, you know, we get off in these, uh, you know, down these

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rabbit holes because of, uh, you know, the speech like the president made

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it. We do have problems with voting, like I said. It's— there's a lot of

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interference internally, externally, any which way you slice it,

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uh, and the system itself is broken. It's inherently broken and needs

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reform. I don't know if we can have a serious conversation about anything in this

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country anymore because of the way that duopoly works. I don't know if we're actually

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going to get that. The only choice that you would have is to do something

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from the ground level up at the local level at this point.

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Yeah, man. Piper wants a kiss. I love you, Piper. I don't have anger issues.

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Be nice. All right, Donald Jeffries, what's up?

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Yeah, well, Jackson T. Barrett makes a good point, and that's what I was saying

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about paper ballots. It means nothing to go to paper ballots if they're not hand-counted.

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And yeah, of course that's laborious, but that's the only possible

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way you can do it because you stick them in those— I mean, in my

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state we have paper ballots, but they go into a machine and get

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counted. They said we don't know how these things are being counted, so you would

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have to— and yeah, that's laborious, but that's unfortunately— we've built

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up a corrupt system. It's not to be trusted by anybody. So they, you know,

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they have, they have to do that. Shout out to a Black Zionist and Angel

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Blue in the chat. But, um, Yeah, you know, and Massie,

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it's, it's nice. And Massie could suck me in with the

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pres— you know, with a run too. But I'm aware of, you know, the people

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that claim he's in the Jacques de Molay Society, maybe he's a big Freemason.

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I, I don't know. Who knows? I don't know. And maybe he's got secret Zionist

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support. I hear all that stuff. But, uh, I hear, you know, from everybody.

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But, uh, I think that he's right about the Republicans

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have everything. And that's why when they're talking

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about China, I, I was on X, you know, trying to counter these people.

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It when after Trump made his speech, because the whole thing is, wow,

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bombshell, mic drop, and all this stuff, and all the stuff they have on Obama

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and all this stuff. I said, okay, so when are the prosecutions going to start?

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When is Obama going to be indicted? Nothing will happen.

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This whole thing about China, no one will be indicted over that.

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He's going after the CIA and all that stuff. Okay, show me, show me who—

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and Tony's exactly right, they grift. They don't do anything.

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So until they do it, nobody's going to take them anything to take them seriously.

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So whoever they blame, and, uh, you know, so this whole

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thing is ridiculous. Again, I just wish, you know, John Quincy Adams

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called them foreign monsters, and, you know, and we don't go abroad to destroy them.

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We're— that's all we do. We will not look internally.

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Our problems are in Washington, D.C. Every problem in the United

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States— I don't care about Jews or Freemasons or whoever's running things Every

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problem could be solved if we did— if we had 500—

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a majority of the 535 members in 2 houses of Congress

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that were honest and not compromised and not being able to

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be bought off by Israel or anybody else. If they serve the interests of the

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people, we could stop all this. But we can't do it because they

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are compromised, every damn one of them. And they get one in there that's halfway

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good, Massie, they get rid them. That's too much for them. They don't want anybody

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in there that's good. So the Supreme Court is— although again, the Supreme

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Court is what it is. They had a perfect chance to show they were

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a Trump Supreme Court, and they just, you know, uh, ruled against birthright citizenship,

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which is a core issue. So it isn't Trump's court. It's all the same

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thing. And, and, uh, I don't know, I just— the,

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the two-party system is a joke. And like, again, I say I'm talking

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about this and I'm saying how rigged it is and everything, Tucker Carlson,

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you know, you know, he'll wink at me and he'll probably win me

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over with some great speech to this third party. And maybe they'll put Tulsi Gabbard

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over there too and RFK Jr., and I'll be sucked right in again. And you'll

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see me at the voting booth, uh, casting a vote that I know won't be

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counted. RB Ham, uh, uh, voting machines

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do in fact produce a paper trail and absolutely can

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be audited. Donald Trump carried out some of the audits, right?

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You remember the, the— I forgot the something ninjas,

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Cyber Ninjas. I forget the name of the group that, that— but these

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things have been carried out over and over and over again. So you can continue

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to deny reality, brother. Um, it's just not, not the case.

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Uh, whether you accept the outcomes is something completely different, and that's, that's another,

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another story for another day, I guess. Anyway, Tony Arterburn,

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closing thoughts, my guy? Well, I, I— again,

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I, I think it's interesting conversation to have. Uh, I'm not of the,

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of the mind that nothing matters I don't want to be, uh, careful not to

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get down the nihilistic role here where nothing matters and we just

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basically talk in a circle, which is, you know, like a masturbatory discussion,

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uh, which leads nowhere. I think we, you know, there is, there is a

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way forward to reform things and we're just not there yet. I mean,

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the country's not available yet and I think that we're getting there.

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Um, but I talked about the beginning of the show, I'm driving around looking

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at the flag, it's half-staff at all these banks and auto dealerships and everything.

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What is that? Well, it's Lindsey Graham. You know,

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and I, I can't imagine as a business owner like doing that. I can't imagine

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having a mindset of that. But that's Texas. Someone said in the chat, I don't

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know anybody who voted for Greg Abbott in the primary. Yeah, I don't either.

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I mean, it's funny because back in the '90s my, my dad would talk about

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that. He's like, I never met anybody that voted for Bill Clinton. Like, and we—

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because he, you know, and he was in business and it was always networking and

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talking about it. Never met a Clinton supporter. I never met anybody that did.

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And it's funny because that's kind of how life works. Um, it's a mystery,

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a lot of these numbers and demographics and things and how Baffling.

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It's pretty baffling. So we don't know, uh, but we do the best we can.

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We try to be as honest as we can. And I think, um, you know,

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seek the truth no matter what and live with it. I think that's—

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we live in a strange time, so it's, it's be careful not to slip down

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that slope of just like nothing matters and we're all, you know,

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especially the, the criticism of somebody like, like Thomas Massie,

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who I think is a genuine individual. Um, you know,

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Thomas Massie is not real, then I, you know, guys, he's a He's

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a shill, Tony. And, and if, and if you agree with anything that he says,

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you are also a shill. Yeah, well, I'm Shill Jr.

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He's a Shill Sr. Well, yeah, regardless, it's the degree

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of shill dumb, you know. It's still in the shill realm.

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I mean, this is what these people believe, honestly, you know.

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Like, like, you can't point out something that someone has said that you disagree with,

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but you would agree with that point. You can't point it out. You can't say,

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hey, yeah, that point, that, that makes sense, because that automatically puts you in

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camp with them. I don't understand that, uh, personally.

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Um, I, I think Thomas Massie seems like a real guy to me, uh,

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you know, and, uh, he's saying things that is— that,

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that are only served to his detriment, which we have seen. We've seen products

01:00:53.615 --> 01:00:57.566
of this already. We've seen what, what he says delivers

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for him. Yeah. And by the way, I love the Johnny-come-latelies

01:01:01.581 --> 01:01:05.098
to, uh, alternative media, which is why it's become such a ridiculous,

01:01:05.162 --> 01:01:08.389
degraded space. But Uh, they're like, he was part of the

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DeMolay Society, which is like a kids group for like the sons of

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Freemasons and people that are like part of Shriners and stuff.

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And I'm like, hey, do you know who else was part of the DeMolay?

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Bill Cooper. He wrote Behold a Pale Horse.

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Have you heard of it? The Hour of the Time. The great— the greatest radio

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voice, probably the most natural conspiracy theorist in the history of

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mankind. Yeah. Yeah, maybe go read his biography. You're gonna,

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you're gonna melt some brains with that one. I can't help it. These people,

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like, they just, they read one sentence from some deal and got a click off

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TikTok, and they're like, oh, Thomas Massie. And I'm like, did you know, did you

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actually, did you think about this for 2 or 3 minutes? Do you know your

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history? Uh, Tony, you need, you need anger management. You know,

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you're way too— well, they're always looking for something. I, and I, I, I point

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out to people, just in case they ever— I ever get big enough for them

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to prove it. I grew up in a house that was— the address was 3333.

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Nothing to do with it. I'm out of here. I gotta go. I can't be

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a part of this anymore. This is everything we need to know.

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You know, he's back, ladies and gentlemen.

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And, and I, I linked— I linked my bandwagon to Don for

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at least 10 years, and, and I didn't know about, uh, the, his, uh,

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his origin story with the 33. So what does that say about me? You know,

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um, just saying. All right, well, I've got my— one of my, one of my

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numbers in basketball is number 33 too. Look at that, that's, that's 2,

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that's strike 3. What am I supposed to do? We can't do it

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anymore. Um, all right, Tony Arterburn, what's up? I've got

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a dollar in my pocket and that's the problem. If you've got a dog,

01:02:48.460 --> 01:02:51.861
if you've got it, you've got a link to the The illumined

01:02:51.925 --> 01:02:55.746
ones. You've got, you know, George Washington was a free man. He laid the cornerstone

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of the Capitol and did a whole ceremony with corn wine and oil and did

01:03:00.116 --> 01:03:03.534
the whole thing, you know, as a high priest. Did you know that? No.

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Everything, it's all, it's all in it. And he was, uh, he was

01:03:07.002 --> 01:03:10.550
one of them. So the whole thing's bad, you know. I guess that's just,

01:03:10.615 --> 01:03:14.613
that's how ridiculous it is. Like, just peel back the layers, folks. Read some history,

01:03:14.950 --> 01:03:18.372
you know. Think about it for 5 minutes. And not everything is

01:03:18.872 --> 01:03:21.645
a big op. There are ops, and there are some pretty dangerous ones.

01:03:23.596 --> 01:03:27.323
Ops on ops, mind control, right? Uh, you can find me at arterburn.gold,

01:03:27.550 --> 01:03:31.141
uh, is my website. Uh, find me there. You can send questions over through the

01:03:31.286 --> 01:03:34.117
website if you'd like to, anything you want to hear on my show, the Arterburn

01:03:34.617 --> 01:03:37.778
Radio Transmission. I'm working on a new Paratroother with Mr.

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Anderson, bringing back the Wise Wolf Gold and Crypto Show,

01:03:40.902 --> 01:03:43.188
macroeconomics, precious metals.

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Uh, crypto, all that stuff. I'm gonna— I'm bringing

01:03:47.769 --> 01:03:50.703
that show back. So, uh, that's dope. Everybody tuning in,

01:03:51.280 --> 01:03:55.127
you got a co-host? Well, it's all you. I, I'm like,

01:03:55.448 --> 01:03:58.830
I might ask Ashley if she wants to join. That's dope.

01:03:59.792 --> 01:04:02.694
That'd be smart. Smart young lady. I might ask her to, to,

01:04:02.982 --> 01:04:05.707
uh, if she wants to be part, because Wise Wolf Gold and Crypto, we get

01:04:06.207 --> 01:04:09.234
out of this kind of— and I love alternative media, um, and this is the

01:04:09.734 --> 01:04:13.006
McLaughlin Group for, for that place in that space. But even we're

01:04:13.038 --> 01:04:16.796
not, we're not blackpilled enough, you know. I don't— for, for a

01:04:17.296 --> 01:04:20.585
lot of folks, they tune us out. Yeah. Um, the Cyber

01:04:21.085 --> 01:04:24.904
Ninjas, that was the name of Cyber Ninjas. Yeah, that they went in to

01:04:25.404 --> 01:04:29.063
prove that Donald Trump actually won the election, and all they proved was that

01:04:29.563 --> 01:04:32.114
Joe Biden won. They actually found more votes for Joe Biden,

01:04:32.933 --> 01:04:36.111
and, and they were, uh, um in

01:04:36.143 --> 01:04:39.527
favor of Donald Trump. That's why they went in to do it, the Cyber Ninjas.

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Go, go look that up, RBM. Um, it'll be enlightening,

01:04:43.744 --> 01:04:47.096
uh, for you. Donald Jeffries, the legendary.

01:04:48.170 --> 01:04:51.682
Tell the people what's up. There is always a Substack, the only place I'm not

01:04:52.182 --> 01:04:56.445
shadowbanned. donaldjeffries.substack.com. I protest, just like my podcast.

01:04:56.573 --> 01:04:59.139
@donjeffries on X. I'm back at X.

01:05:00.021 --> 01:05:04.125
Fantastic. My name is Billy Ray Valentine. Uh, I might be on tomorrow,

01:05:04.269 --> 01:05:07.890
I am not sure. I did an interview, uh, with Neil

01:05:08.390 --> 01:05:11.623
Sanders. You guys are gonna get triggered, so tune in.

01:05:12.376 --> 01:05:15.533
Tune in if you— if, if you're real. If you're a real one,

01:05:15.581 --> 01:05:19.026
tune in, all right? Because otherwise it's not gonna work, okay?

01:05:19.442 --> 01:05:22.518
So just giving you fair warning. Don't tune in, I don't give a shit.

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We're gonna put it up on theinfinitefringe.podbeam.com. It's, it's a, it's a good one.

01:05:27.181 --> 01:05:30.321
Um, and of course, the episode I did with, with Twisted

01:05:30.786 --> 01:05:33.624
on Candace Owens, uh, ripping that apart,

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that was quite easy to do. It wasn't a very difficult thing because all

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you have to do is just search a couple of things and then you'll find

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it. It's whether or not you want to accept it. That's the difference.

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That's where we are. I, I'm gonna seek to try to dissect

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whatever state of mind we're put in that, that makes us

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reject empirical evidence, uh, at all costs.

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I don't get So we did that, and, and that one's on. You guys can

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find it and watch it. I'll try to go on this Sunday,

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uh, no guarantees that I will, but if I don't go on on Sunday,

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I'll go on on Monday. That's it, brother. Uh, Tony Arterburn,

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burning the place down. We appreciate you.