#235 America Unplugged -Lindsey Graham, Legacy, and the Smoke of Distrust

0:00 Donald Jeffries, Donald Jeffries, author of Hidden History and Survival of the Richest, host of The Donald Jeffries Show. Billy Ray Valentine, Billy Ray Valentine, host of The Infinite Fringe podcast, researcher, truth seeker from the Bronx, New York. Tony Arterburn, Tony Arterburn, radio host, combat veteran, precious metals analyst, and alt-historian. Together they take on the headlines of the week, decode the disinformation and plow through the mainstream propaganda. Unauthorized, unscripted, and unintimidated.

0:41 This is America Unplugged. Billy, I think you're muted. Well, here we go. And that worked out great. I was saying a bunch of stuff. Hey, I was like, he's taking his time. I was like, is there like a pause for effect? I was letting you know the music run, you know, and it's about to be epic. What's going on everybody? How are you doing? It is America Unplugged. My name is Billy Ray Valentine, the War on Reality Report. It's Billy the Kid right here with Tony Ardernburn, the wisest of all the wolves. How are you? Welcome back to your show, sir. Well, it's great to be back. Good to see you and Don.

1:30 Uh, I noticed yesterday I was talking to Melissa, uh, driving back from Dallas, and I go, please tell me that all these, uh, flags at half-staff around Texas are not for Lindsey Graham. But I'm pretty sure they are. Yeah, man, you know, Lady G got a lot of support, man. It's a lot of support. That's a lot of Fox News viewers out there. God bless Lady G. Um, I, I have no— I mean, I thought he was a horrible person, but you know, it sucks. I know there's people that love him out there, so God bless to him. I hope he's in a better place, and I hope he's in a place where he can, you know, freely, uh, be who he is, you know, because he, he was, you know, in, in a personal hell here in, in in, uh, on Earth because he refused to come out of the closet. Dude, listen, if anybody's dealing with that, it's not worth it. Do what you do, otherwise you're going to end up like Lady G. God bless Lindsey Graham, a horrible, horrible person, wanted people to die. Um, still, uh, you know, the life experience is tough, you know. I— to, to, to walk on Earth and live this life, it's not an easy thing. It is a privilege, it is a beautiful thing, but it's not easy. Nobody ever guaranteed that this would be easy.

2:49 So, um, I wanna, I wanna take that into account when— and not pass a judgment on the man, although, I mean, I'm calling him horrible on a human level, you know. Um, everything else is up to God. Tony Arterburn, thoughts, man? Yeah, I talked about it on my show. I'm, I'm with you in the sentiment. I don't, uh— somebody passes, I mean, you go back to Robert Mueller passing away, and I mean, the, the rhetoric from Trump was just so over the top. And then you You want to steer clear of, of celebrating someone's death, but I talked about on my show Thursday just the, the impact that he had with the, the privilege of power, the ability to affect change and to affect policy. I thought was very unfortunate that he used the 33 years that he had to promote violence, to promote war.

3:35 That if you look at the arc of his tenure as a politician of note, of somebody in power, If you look at the steep decline of not only American power but American culture under his watch, I mean, I think it's a testament to the skewed, evil views that he had. I mean, none of his policies were sound. None of it worked out for America. All of it drove us deeper into debt, deeper into disunion, further fracturing society. I think that his legacy is, again, one of chaos, one of death, one of war. You know, when you embrace death, uh, the way that it usually works is it, uh, it embraces you back. Oh man, yeah. And, uh, if you— you know, I, I don't even necessarily think that it's wrong.

4:21 I mean, Jesus said that if you live by the sword, so shall you die by it. And I told my grandmother years ago when she— we mentioned that, that passage, I said, but he never said it was wrong. And I'm not really saying in effect that, you know, having a, a mind for war is wrong, because I talked about Douglas MacArthur and I talked about Patton and and others, even Teddy Roosevelt, uh, who was a big warmonger, but he said, follow me. He didn't say charge. He led the charge himself. I mean, you know, even, but, you know, even people like Douglas MacArthur, who was a god of war, uh, at the end of his life, he wanted to abolish all war into all, you know, national constitutions. He was the biggest proponent for peace in the world of— in the 20th century. At the time of his death, he begged Lyndon Johnson to stay out of Vietnam. Other things like that.

5:08 Lindsey Graham would have never had that arc. It was just, you know, not, not someone who led battles, not someone who suffered from them, but someone who just— a proponent for perpetual war for the sake of it, for the— for whatever energy that is. And I don't think he was coming from a place of good, uh, and, you know, his nickname, not only Lady G but Lockheed Lindsey— there was a lot of war profiteering. Oh, that one's good. I had never heard that one before, but it fits. It's, it's up, it's, uh, you know, it fits 100%. Anything else, Tony, before I turn it over to Dunn? No, I mean, I just agree with you on that. I mean, we're— I'm not going to spike the football that somebody, you know, died suddenly. You know, he's relatively young. I mean, Stephen's 71, is young for now with all the technology we have, just to suddenly die.

5:55 But he also was a big proponent for, uh, the safe and effective Jabs, uh, and he was a big proponent for government surveillance and, uh, other things. You know, if you don't have anything to hide, why do you care? You know, why don't we look at all, uh, stuff like that. So, you know, a life that was wasted in my opinion. If you don't have anything to hide, what do you care? But what do you— meanwhile, he's hiding his entire life in a closet. Yeah, then his entire life. There is some Uh, uh, transsexual person that came out after this. Apparently they had signed— I don't know how true it is, but yeah, came out and said apparently they had signed an NDA, and she was like, yeah, um, now that he's dead, I can come out and talk about it and all the stuff that he had me do, you know. And there's more, there's more people coming out and saying this now. I mean, it wasn't— it was all— this was common knowledge amongst anyone He, he never— not that I know— he, he never had a woman next to him. You know, he, he, he's the infinite bachelor.

7:01 And, uh, and he kind of had female tendencies. You know, he was kind of like, you know— well, God bless him. It does seem like if you look at his rhetoric— and I talked about this on my show, I didn't mention these words, but as it comes to mind as you're going over the— that latest revelation— it seemed to me that the energy he had talking about, you know, we're making all the right moves, we're cutting taxes and we're killing all the right people. Yeah, that's a kink. That's some kind of kink. Like, that is a— that's linked to a sexual expression, in my opinion. Like, it's something he gets off on, which is what I was talking about in the sense that it's not like a solemn duty, like we have to, you know, engage the enemy. He didn't know who the enemy was.

7:43 Agreed. That's another— that's another thing, you know. We're— we were just fighting for the sake of it. If you look at America's enemies are mostly internal, that we do have some foreign adversaries, but only because we really make it that way. But most of the threats we have, I'd say 98%, are all internal. Yo, Kenny Powers is, is super cool. He, he clearly has watched The Rocky Horror Picture Show with this, this comment. What's up, Kenny? How you doing? Uh, Don, what's up? What are you thinking of, of, of Lady G? Well, I wrote about him and Caitlin Clark together on Substack, my latest one. But, uh, you know, I obviously— Lindsey Graham is probably my least favorite politician. As I said, he He was in power for all those years, and it was really kind of remarkable that he never once, you know, came down on the side of the people. I mean, he was pretty much wrong on every issue all the time, so it was pretty consistent.

8:35 So, you know, horrible, you know, obviously a horrible politician, but there's something about him that's tragic, you know. And I think earlier this year when he went to Disney World by himself— yeah, right, a 71-year-old man going to Disney World by himself, that's pretty odd in itself. You know, and waving that little pink wand around that he had. I mean, there's, there's something tragic about that. It really is. And so when you die, and it just shows no matter how, you know, what a life you lead and whatever rewards he got, and I don't know what rewards he got because he died alone. And, uh, and I said, you know, all of us, we're all forgotten soon enough, but he was forgotten. He didn't have anybody to forget him. You know, I mean, he'll be remembered in Washington, you know, like all the other horrible politicians, but he's not going to go down in history. He didn't do anything historic. But he just, you know, he sold out for what? I don't know. Maybe he had a lot of boy lovers.

9:26 I don't know. You know, who knows? But, uh, it's— there's something sad about it. But certainly, you know, and I, like you guys, I'm not going to spike the football over it. I, you know, Henry Kissinger died at age 100. You know, it's like it didn't give me any joy. These people that say, I can't wait till so-and-so dies— why? It's not gonna— it's not gonna make your life any better. You know, so there's something in it. You know what, I think we'll all be judged. And so whatever he was— and it's not, you know, they say, I mean, it certainly seems like he was closeted, but, you know, he could have been like— you remember there's a film critic called Rex Reed back in the day who everybody thought was gay, and it turned out he was asexual and no interest in sex.

10:07 Lindsey Graham could have been asexual, who knows? I mean, you know, we don't know, but I mean, whatever he was, he— and I, I will give him, you know, he didn't— and he kind of, you know, when he went to the rumors, he just kind of smiled. He didn't really vehemently deny them or anything. So, but His biggest— one thing I found amazingly, I had no idea. I think it was Shapiro that was bragging about his service, his military service. Tony, did you know? I had no idea he was in the Air Force. Yeah, he was in the Air Force Reserves. Yeah, it was, it was a long time. Yeah, I mean, of course he had— he was nowhere near a battlefield. He was a lawyer. And so he, like, he was like the, the military prosecutor in Europe or something like that. And then any— they got a Bronze Star for his legal work during Iraq or so. It's like, you know, which is, is ridiculous, but I, I can't technically call him a chickenhawk because he was in the military. He didn't serve anywhere, but, uh, you know, so that was shocking to me because I just figured he was a typical chickenhawk and he had nothing to do with the military. So, uh, that's something I learned. I didn't look into his background enough. But it's, you know, it's, it's sad when any— it's sad when anybody dies and they don't, uh, you know, when they leave no one. To me, that's one of the saddest things in life. You know, what is it? It's a Wonderful Life said, you know, no man is a failure who has friends. And I don't know how many friends Lindsey Graham had. I doubt he probably had many. But, uh, you know, when you don't have any family— I will say he, he had a much younger sister and he adopted her. So I said, you know, who knows, maybe, maybe that was a good thing. Maybe he did something nice for her.

11:39 I don't know. I, I joked in Substack, maybe he put some sexy young boy through college or something. He might have done a few good things. We don't know. But, uh, Based on his record, he was, you know, he was horrible. He was a warmonger. And, uh, and I wouldn't say the world is better off now because I don't celebrate when anybody dies, but, uh, Congress is a better place without him. We'll say that. I, I'm reminded, Don, you probably get a kick out of this, back in the '30s, uh, 1930s, Winston Churchill was kind of in his wilderness years. And that was when the, you know, Germany was rebuilding and he just kind of was laughed out of the room. Like people didn't want anything to do with him. He had all those failures, you know, with, uh, Gallipoli and, uh, being Chancellor of the Exchequer, all that stuff. But, uh, Stanley Baldwin was Prime Minister at the time, and years later Stanley Baldwin passed away during, you know, uh, right before the lead-up to World War II. And they asked Winston Churchill what he thought of Stanley Baldwin, who's like a political rival. He said, well, Stanley Baldwin was a good man, but it would have been better had he never been born. That was it.

12:46 And, and R.B. Hamm reminds me, when I mentioned the sister, of course she did get appointed to his Senate seat That's, oh, that's one of, that's one of the, that's one of the ways you can come into Congress is you, you either have to be a lawyer, a retired professional athlete, retired athlete, a retired actor, or you can be related to whoever was in Congress, you know, like Sonny Bono's wife. So Lindsey Graham's sister probably couldn't be too much more ridiculous than Sonny Bono's wife was. So let's, uh, so, uh, there's that. But yeah, it just, you know, we did— I, I don't, I don't like celebrating any of that stuff. And I think people that do that are ghoulish when they, you know, like you said with Mueller or anybody. These people that I couldn't stand, but I just think there's something about, you know, I think it's a part of morality not to.

13:30 It doesn't change them when they die. They don't— they're not— it's not— virtue is not retroactive. But I just think it's something about it that's not right to celebrate it. Agree. Yeah, I, I totally agree. Um, there's a comment up, and I left it up on purpose because I know we didn't speak about this, but I want to ask you guys, uh, you know, the, the Canada smoke, uh, smells different It says, uh, than, uh, than typical campfires, man. And I, I just had a conversation with somebody, a couple of people about this, because I've, I've lived in New York all my life, and not until very recently have I been plagued with smoke from Canada, bro. You know, I remember 2 years ago, I want to say, that freaking the, the sky turned orange here. It looked like an episode of Dragon Ball Z, okay? But that was the first time I ever saw anything like that. And now it seems to be like the norm that I'm dealing with, with smoke from Canada. I don't, I don't understand. I didn't experience this before.

14:30 I know it's a thing in LA, I mean, in, in California, you know. Um, I think they, they had it a lot more often than we did, but I don't remember this happening in New York that often. I mean, do you guys— did you guys get hit with any of this wherever you guys— oh, we could— we, we couldn't go outside yesterday here. The air quality was so bad. I had to hold my breath when I took my dog out. It was It was— you could see that, like one of those old pictures of New York City back in the '60s with the smog. It was everywhere. I mean, but did— is this— did this— has this happened regularly to you guys? No, no, right? Like, I, I just, I just don't know why. I'm sure there's an explanation for it, but it's just like, what the hell is going on, you know? Because it's— it was a lot.

15:13 And did you get hit with it, Tony? No, but I remember in the '90s when I was a kid, they had a lot of fires in Mexico, and it It, it really affected North Texas. I mean, I remember that it was, uh, from that far away too, which I was always amazed by, right? Uh, all that distance. But yeah, it gets up in the, you know, upper atmosphere, and who knows? I mean, and you, you— it's not just wood that's burning, right? Hmm. I don't know. Anyway, um, just wanted to, to touch on that real quick. Okay, listen, I want to play, uh, a couple of clips that we have lined up for today. We're going to talk about, uh, Trump's speech on Wednesday about election integrity and how the 2020 election was stolen. And it largely backfired on him through, of course, the left was going to poo-poo the speech, but a lot of people on the right did the same.

16:12 It was a bizarre speech. Uh, and then he put out a bunch of documents that contradicted almost everything he said. Uh, so I, I think at this point we can put, uh, these things to bed. The Trump administration, who has all the power in their hands to prove that the 2020 election was rigged, can't prove it. They can't do it. They don't have any proof to produce, and they are in power right now. Um, and, and all he did was contradict himself. But hey, listen, we're gonna play Ty Cobb, who was one of Trump's, uh, what was he, uh, Tone, um, a lawyer for Trump during the first Trump's counsel years ago. Yeah, right. And I think they worked closely on a lot of cases. Yeah. So, um, we're gonna play him talking about the speech that Trump, uh, did on Wednesday, and then we'll comment on it. Let me unmute it. But I thought it was spot on. The limits of his authority and the potential consequences for future elections.

17:19 We turn now to Ty Cobb, an attorney who served as the special counsel during the first Trump administration. I spoke with him a short time ago. Ty Cobb, welcome back to the NewsHour. My pleasure. Nice to be with you, Jeff. Ty, you have described a broader pattern here, President Trump's focus on voting machines, his efforts to change mail-in voting, voter registration requirements, most recently his removal of members of the Election Assistance Commission. What does tonight's speech add to that picture? Well, I think tonight's speech is intended to add the predicate that he needs to declare an emergency at or about the time of the elections. As you know, Steve Bannon and Todd Blanche have suggested that there will be ICE agents at the polls.

18:07 I think that that's a virtual certainty. Whether that will include the National Guard or not, we don't know. But anything to intimidate minority voters, particularly immigrant voters, and also I think anything that allows them to try to seize voting machines as Trump wanted to do in 2020, But Bill Barr explained to him there was just no basis for it. I think you'll— I think you will see him doing everything he can to try to prevent the peaceful transfer of power, the election of Democrats, and do whatever he can to remain in power and to keep his cronies in power so that he can continue doing what he thinks he's allowed to do as president, which is anything he wants.

18:55 President Trump has said in the past that he believes if Democrats win control of Congress in the midterms, that he'll be impeached. When you say that you believe he's intent on declaring a national emergency, what guardrails remain if the president does in fact use the power of the federal government to shape how the midterm elections are conducted? I think the only real guardrail is, you know, for people to get to the polls to vote against the level of corruption and insanity and frivolity that we've seen, the type of conduct that has made the world more dangerous, and that, you know, has enriched President Trump to the tune of somewhere between, you know, $4 and $8 billion during the time he's been in office. We know he made $2.2 billion last year, largely on crypto. We know that his stock trades, you know, he had hundreds of stock trades last year, if not thousands. I think Obama had zero, Biden had 13 by comparison. And that many of those stock trades were followed by statements from Trump touting the products of the companies that he had bought or giving them government contracts. So what we have seen is so inimical to what it has historically meant to be an American president. Where integrity, courage, straightforwardness, and, and an interest in the

20:27 lives of the people that are being governed were at the front and center. We have a president now who's there solely to enrich himself, his family, and his cronies, and to wield power in a way that satisfies his basest instincts. We need people to come out and vote against that. That is the, that is the guardrail internally. Unlike the first administration, when you had people like General Kelly, General Mattis, Nikki Haley, Mike Pompeo, people of character who, you know, would hold up their hand when Trump wanted to do something reckless or self-dealing, we don't have that now. I mean, we have the Stephen Millers of the world, the Todd Blanchards, whose, you know, mantra is, I love you, sir, you know, I'm your lawyer, you know, who has overseen revenge prosecutions, the hollowing out of 20% of the lawyers in the Department of Justice, most of Most of the most experienced and talented lawyers who were in leadership positions, they're, they're gone now. And, and we've redirected FBI and DOJ resources under, under Blanche and Patel to immigration cases, to the exclusion of counterterrorism cases, money laundering cases, fraud, and civil rights.

21:37 So I think we need people to come out and vote against it. That's the best guardrail we have. And that's the only remaining guardrail in our democracy. And yet, if there were genuine vulnerabilities in voting machines or attempts by China to interfere, those would be major national security concerns. How should a president responsibly address those concerns without using them to undermine confidence in an election that has already been settled? Well, I think when you say those concerns, I mean, those concerns are inflated, overrated, and exaggerated. You know, there is, there is, there is evidence historically that China and Russia, you know, had some influence peddlers, that Iran and Venezuela have, that we do, we do this around the world as well, you know, trying to influence people and public opinion. But, but on the voting machines, you know, that's been looked at.

22:38 And frankly, when, when Fox tried to support Trump's wild claims about, you know, abusive voting machines in 2020. It cost them almost $1 billion, $787 million that they had to pay out, you know, for fraudulently supporting Trump's unfounded claims. And we're going to see that again. You know, Trump's going to make more unfounded claims. The intelligence that comes into the CIA and the FBI is always graded. Uh, you know, some of it's good, some of it comes from reliable sources, some of it comes, uh, arises under circumstances that have some credibility. None of, none of the stuff that you're— we're going to hear tonight is that, and particularly the Venezuela stuff. I mean, he's going to use Maduro, probably fabricate a statement of facts, you know, to support a guilty plea for Maduro, which will later be followed by, uh, the type of Ghislaine Maxwell treatment where he gets favorable treatment in exchange for doing what the administration wants.

23:38 I think people need to see through this. And you're not going to see reliable people, people historically who have the respect of the American people, the intellectuals, the historians, the journalists. You're going to see people of the type of Bill Pulte and John Solomon, who you know, have been conspiracy theorists from the start who are willing to do whatever Trump asks, supporting these claims. But you're not going to see many credible people do this. And I think people need to— when they— when you talk about serious claims, I think the serious is the flaw in that statement, because they aren't serious. This is unserious. This is Trump, you know, acting out his fantasy and trying desperately to push his his minions, uh, to help him, uh, pretend, uh, as he has rewritten history over January 6th, as he has rewritten history, uh, about the 2020 election, to go along with him. Um, there's a little bit more left, but I'm, I'm not going to play it because it's, it's long at this point. I didn't think it was that long. Um, so a lot of this that he discussed, uh, you heard here first.

24:55 Really, um, uh, we've been talking about this for since, since the beginning of the Trump, uh, second term, talking about what he plans to do. Not that he will be successful, but he, he seeks to stay in office, guys. He seeks to rig everything that he can rig. If Trump is saying it, believe the opposite of it. If Trump— if Trump is saying that the election was rigged against him, It was probably rigged for him. That's the way it is. And, and the bottom line of it— I know a lot of people don't want to accept this fact— bottom line is Trump is in office now and still is unable to prove that, uh, the 2020 election was rigged against him. Also, uh, 2016 wasn't rigged and 2024 weren't rigged.

25:46 The only, the only time it was rigged was 2020 when Trump happened to be in power. Trump was in power when it happened, and he is in power again, right? And, and, and he hasn't been able to produce any evidence that says that, uh, that, uh, um, you know, that the election was, was rigged to get him out. Anyway, he said a mouthful there. Uh, there was a lot of information, uh take what you will and, and analyze for us. Tony, what's up? Well, I— going back to that point you just made, uh, yeah, he was in power in 2020. That's— we've had elect— you can go back to Donald Jeffrey's work, Hidden History, the Vote Scam.

26:28 Go look into that. There's a, a plethora of knowledge and breakdown of issues we've had with voting in this country since its founding. But in the modern era, or error, which we have now, uh, I mean, I wholeheartedly disagree that there's soundness in electronic voting machines. I think the entire process needs to be scrapped. It needs to be abolished, um, because there is always the chance of illegitimacy from either side saying something was hacked. So you can bypass that by having paper ballots and reinforcing the infrastructure in the country to be able to count them. Not like a third— you know, not— well, actually, third world countries do better. Not like we've done recently where you can just have unlimited ballots and unlimited counting and unlimited days.

27:12 There shouldn't be any early voting anymore. You should have one day and people should get off work that day to be able to vote. We should have a national holiday or voting or something like that. Again, in each state, uh, there needs to be reformation on all points. So saying the, the issue here, it's a false dichotomy that one, you've, you've got somebody like Trump who's always bringing up something that happened years ago and not doing anything about it while he had the chance to do something about it. Which is, which is the most annoying part because people go, oh look, see, he's finally doing something about the— what he did in, in 2020. That was his fault. He locked us down on Friday the 13th, March of 2020. He's the one that gave that executive order. He's the one that funded the states to, to lock people down and continue that. So that festered and created this— metastasized into all of the paper ballots. And the lockdown election created the confusion and all that was 2020 that ultimately culminated in January 6th. All of that was from his leadership. And you could— there's so many things wrong with the 2020 election, but I think there was things wrong with pretty much every election because we have all these, uh, mail-in ballots that come in later. And, and the— it's, it's not even the voter ID laws in this country are completely screwed up. So saying that nothing's wrong is also— or, or that Nikki Haley and Mike Pompeo, you know, the, the we lie, we cheat, we steal, we took classes on it guy— is

28:44 not the point of integrity in an administration. So I disagree with Cobb there, but I know Cobb worked with Trump. He said something years ago that David Knight's quoted often that I happen to agree with, is that the operating system of Trump is a deeply wounded narcissist. This isn't about uh, voter, you know, clarity or having some sort of reformation in the sense of our, our very broken voting system. This is about what Cobb said. I— the larger point is that Trump will use this as a catalyst for some sort of crackdown or attempted crackdown, because he is correct. If given mathematics and every failure that has occurred in the last, uh, year and a half If you add that up, you have a disastrous midterm election. And if you look at Mondame and all the things that are happening across the board in the country and the demographic shift with that, I, I think the writing's on the wall.

29:42 So that's, that's what the speech was about. But in the larger point that we have, you know, problems with our voting, yeah, on one side, let's, you know, there's all this— there's a fraud, we're hacking the elections. The other side says there's no fraud. Or at least there's no fraud when it doesn't serve them. You know, Hillary Clinton, you know, Russiagate and all that shit. So I think that both sides are wrong here, that we do have a problem. We should go back to paper ballots, and there should be, uh, by local levels, um, more accountability when it comes— if we really want to try to have a system of voting anymore. Um, but again, false dichotomy. But Cobb is right in the sense that Trump's going to use this as a catalyst for something.

30:24 Don, what's up, sir? Yeah, I would— I would like to— I'm trying not to fall asleep during Ty Cobb's, although his mustache was kind of mesmerizing. A lot of comments about him in the chat about his look. He didn't look like the Georgia Peach that I know and love from, uh, baseball history. But, uh, I— yeah, I mean, again, I don't, I don't know. He's— it was just typical. Trump is so easy to bash. I mean, it's, it's, it's like, you know, it's kicking a dead horse. I mean, it's ridiculous. And this guy, when he talked about immigrants as being especially affected and everything, he sounded like a, a woke liberal in his language. And so it reminds you, why was he Trump's lawyer? Because Trump always, at least for the most part, picks Never Trumpers to surround himself with, and then I guess complains about it when he fires them. So, you know, this guy, when he's talking about the, you know, the electronic voting machine, Tony's exactly right. I mean, they need to get rid of those machines.

31:18 Just because Fox News capitulated in their lawsuit and fired Tucker Carlson, that doesn't make electronic machines voting, uh, you know, any more reliable. We should use paper ballots, and that's— and they should have scrutiny. Everybody, all sides should be there witnessing, and they shouldn't have to go a certain distance away. They should be right there witnessing it. Nobody should be pulling the shades down. Should be an open process. Sunlight should be all over it, and it's not that way. And so people are always going to be suspicious. And the only reason the 2020 election got the attention it did is because Trump was the first politician to ever complain that he'd been robbed. Ron Paul wouldn't do it, Pat Buchanan wouldn't do it, and we know they were robbed. Trump— and of course Trump did it in the way he does it so that he made a lot of people hate him for doing it because he just sounded like a 10-year-old complaining and, you know, somebody took his toy or something. So This— I mean, I don't know if we're going to get on to what, you know, Trump is now alleging, which is that the, uh, the election was, uh, I guess controlled or stolen by China. I guess that's which he never has made that point before, I don't think. So I don't know what that is now. And again, it's directing attention away from, you know, we're talking about Russia or China or any other country.

32:28 The only— Venezuela, which is really laughable. The only country that has an impact on our electoral process is Israel, and everybody knows it. There's lots of memes out there. Good thing that China's controlling election. They're showing all the, the Israeli flags outside congressional offices and stuff. That's— and that's what this is a distraction from, because our Congress shamefully just voted to, to put our military together with Israel. And God help us if these crazy woke Democrats are, are the voice of reason now, because every Republican except Massie voted to do that. To their credit, a bunch of the Democrats didn't, and they— but This is, this is insanity. And to, to try to deflect away the only foreign country you should talk about having influence— I mean, yeah, maybe some other countries have some influence, but nothing like Israel. Israel runs this place. They want to make it illegal to criticize them. So, you know, as long as they do that— and so China, China, China is no less dumb than Russia, Russia, Russia. Well, Russia, Russia, Russia just so happened to be true.

33:32 And Donald Trump just admitted to it with all the freaking documents that were released. Not that this is any— anything new. Guccifer 2.0 is a fact. Whether— whether people want to accept it or not is something completely different. All right, but, uh, but yes, uh, Russia did interfere in the election. It is what it is. They did. I mean, I don't know why that's such a hard thing to come to terms with. People in the chat saying paper ballots, I think that's fucking hilarious. That you think that we can revert back to paper ballots and that's gonna fix things. Do you remember not too long ago when, uh, uh, Steve Puchinik was claiming that China had put together paper ballots out of bamboo and that's how they knew that they were fraudulent? You think that's not going to come into play? You think that's going to fix things? Paper ballots?

34:20 Oh, paper ballots are going to fix everything. That is the most ludicrous thing I've ever heard in my life. It's probably not fixable, but we know these machines— it goes back to Vote Scheme— they've caught them many times. Let's call it what it is. Let's call it what it is. Are there— and, and, and Ty Cobb, we can go back and listen to the boring speech. Ty Cobb said, uh, yes, there are issues. Are they as big as they're saying it is? No, they're not. And these people that are claiming that it is as big as they're saying it is haven't been able to prove a damn thing. They have not. In VoteScan, the Collier brothers— power— MAGA is in power and they have not been able to prove it. How come We can't just say that. Long before, long before Trump, the Collier brothers who wrote Vote Scam and both died before their times, and whose daughter hates me because I, you know, exposed that in the history, uh, but, but, um, you know, there years ago they were both computer programmers and they wanted to know, they wanted to talk. I think it was University of Miami, one of the big programmers for these vote projection things, which is tied into the electronic voting machines. And he— they went and approached this guy and he said to them, you'll never prove a thing.

35:32 That was his answer. Because they want to know what is the program, what are the— what's the algorithm here, how is this based on that. They've consistently gone down. They did it in this special election with Georgia that elected the, uh, I forget the guy's name, but the 2— 2 that gave the Senate the, uh, the Democrats, I guess, the last time. And, uh, if you remember that special election, the machines went down. And there was like a 20,000-vote swing in the Democrats' direction when they came back up. And we see that over and over again. That can't happen with paper ballots. And if you, if you have people from all parties— and we should have more than 2 parties, obviously— represented there and watching, you shouldn't be able to have any chicanery. We shouldn't have to worry about this.

36:14 You have, you have third world countries, allegedly third world countries, that have learned how to stop people from voting more than once by making them, you know, get a stamp on their hand like you're going in a bar. We can't figure that out. Sometimes you have to be old-fashioned because whoever programs those machines is, is going to control the results, or they could if they're not, if they're not ethical. And I don't think anybody involved in this stuff is ethical. So I don't know why anybody would vote at this point anyhow. But it— that's right, thank you, Jackson. Warnock and Ossoff. Warnock. Uh, but, but to give— this is not a partisan issue. These guys, and you know, Russia, Russia, Russia, we We know there's a CIA memo detailing how John Brennan, one of the all-time favorite, you know, the anti-Trump forces, uh, who details— he talks and he says Obama was briefed on this, that Hillary Clinton has an— has this idea to try to blame Russia for, for the 2016 election. That's how Russia, Russia, Russia was born. They have a CIA memo saying that from their boy Brennan. Please.

37:18 What's— I, I can— what— I don't— what is Guccifer 2.0? Explain what you're talking about. What do you mean? Well, well, that's, uh, um, uh, the person or entity that was responsible for the, for, for the DNC hacks, uh, during the whole like Seth Rich thing. And that was, uh, Guccifer, uh, traced back to Guccifer 2.0, which was traced back to the Kremlin. It was traced back to Russia. This is admitted. They did this. It's admitted, you know. Um, a lot of, of what conspiracy theory has been discussing, things like Pizzagate, they all— it originated out of Russia. And this is admitted at this point. If you— if whether or not you want to accept it is something completely different. RBM says it was a scam.

38:01 I, I don't believe any of that stuff. It's— again, they're— we're always trying to blame other governments for our own problems. Our enemies are in Washington, DC, not China, not Russia, not Iran. Prove that Guccifer 2.0 was a scam. I can prove that 9 times out of 10 whatever you're saying is, is, uh, is, uh, not factually correct. 9 times out of 10. Prove that Guccifer 2.0 was a scam, please. I, I'd appreciate that. Go ahead, Tony. Well, I was going to say we clarify, even if we get to Guccifer and it leads back to the Kremlin and the, the DNC email hacks and all of that and all, all Pizzagate Seth Rich and everything else leads back to the origination from the Kremlin, that's still not, uh, the accusation that the voting machines themselves or that the totals or the interference was from a foreign nation, which was what Russiagate was about. It was about like getting it— like getting into interference completely by the, the process itself. I think there's a little bit of a line there. Do you think so? I, I think that the line has been blown up.

39:15 I think that the majority of, of what's coming out of, of the MAGA right is complete nonsense that can't be proven, and people want to believe these things. I want these people that are in power right now to prove to me that what they've been saying for the last how many Ahmad years is correct, and they haven't been able to do it. They haven't been able to do it. What I have seen is Putin completely puppeteer this guy, and the alternative media decide that that's not a thing. It's only Israel that is puppeteering this guy. They are manipulating this guy like a puppet because he is completely and totally incompetent to do the job. And this is a fact, and we need to own this.

39:58 You know, I, I think we need to say— we need to come out and say, hey, yeah, it's true, Russia has been manipulating with our stuff. So has Israel. And we've been doing the same to other countries. It's the way it is. It's also another thing to continue to deny that Joe Biden won the 2020 election and, and with absolutely no proof. And this is one of the things that, that really pushed me out of this space. Because I know, I understand that people want to believe this, but when the facts don't line up and people reject it, it's a totally different thing. Piper, I'm sorry you're getting triggered by me. My apologies. I'm just trying to, I'm, I'm just trying to give my point of view here. Well, there, there are lots of people that are not— I mean, it would not make anybody feel bad that Biden won. I mean, I don't like any of these people.

40:46 There's, there's, there's been fraud probably in every election. In 2020, it was more obvious because Donald Trump was in the middle of it and he was pointing it out. Nobody else ever did that before. The middle of the night vote drop-offs, the over 1,000 unconnected people— unconnected to each other— with sworn affidavits saying the chicanery, the very strange things they saw in polling places and post offices. They— this is obvious something, but it all wasn't because of Trump. It wasn't because they had to keep Trump out of power because they put him back in power in 2024. It was again, probably to cause controversy, maybe to lure the right out finally to do something and go to the January 6th thing and crack down on that. I don't know. But I mean, the idea that we're defending the other side and this has come back in because Trump is now stupidly and ludicrously blaming China, which is ridiculous.

41:40 He should call out and not the Democrats. He should call out the system. The system is flawed. There's no reason to. To trust it. That's why the thing you can't vote yourself, you know, out of it is exactly true. Look at what we just seen. Look what happened to Thomas Massie. That wasn't China that destroyed him. It was a very popular guy that they had. They had tons of AIPAC money that came in there and very, you know, very shady things with all pretty much everybody, I guess, in the world over 80 voting for him when he won conclusively with all the younger people. So I mean, this is, this is just, uh, you know, it's very shady. Oh, you got Massie there. Yeah, go ahead, let's play with Massie. I'm gonna hear what Massie said. No, but, but, but to your point, I, I, I think you're right, you know, what, what, what, uh, what they did with Thomas Massie, you know. But, but to that point, um, I think the sad part is that it was, it was the people that put Donald Trump in You know, we, we can, we can sit around and speculate on, on a new world order and the Illuminati that selects presidents, but I— the, the sad part about it is the, the, the most ex— it, it's, it's, it's, it asphyxiates me, man, thinking about it.

42:55 I'm like, oh my God, it's really these people. It was, it was the American people that put that dude in power through psychological operations, I think. What's up, buddy? There is that. I want to say something real quick because I was just thinking about this and series of events and, and, and, and intervention, uh, in voting. I mean, if you look at back in the 2016 election, and you can go on my Twitter, there's an archive of this. Go back on my Twitter, look at all the— go back to 2016 October, and I hadn't made any predictions of what was going to happen in the 2016 elections before, before then. Not at all. But when, when Comey came out at 2 weeks prior to the election in October going into November of 2016 and reopened the case into, uh, Hillary Clinton's emails because of the Weiner laptop, I went on there, I said, uh, Donald Trump's going to win this election.

43:49 That to me was a huge and unprecedented by the FBI, unprecedented by the power structure. Why in the hell did they do that? That was literally a— it, it derailed everything that was really happening prior to that. And I said, that's just enough. If you go back and look at my Twitter, and of course the whole world and the media, 99% victory for Clinton. I took every bit of— I had very little at the time, but I took all the Bitcoin I had and I bet on Trump winning. Wow. And I won because I— and I sat down that night at election, you asked my family, and I said, he's going to win. It was— I just called it enough because I think even elections were more pure then than they are now. We've got a lot, mainly because of Trump, we've got a lot of problems now with not only voter ID, but we've got these mail-in ballots because of the lockdown elections and all the precedents that were set during the 2020 election. So that 2016 was probably a more— a better snapshot of something authentic. Than whatever we have now? Because we really don't know.

44:53 Well, if it was authentic, Tone— I don't know that it was completely authentic, because to the degree that it was, Trump lost the popular vote. He won via the electoral map. It was the swing states. He won by 80,000 votes spread over 4 states. It wasn't a landslide. It was not the popular vote. He did. He lost the popular vote, you know. So if that's a, if that's a, a better view of, of where the country stood at the time time. Yeah, I thought it was laughable. I started to laugh. Demographic shift, because what he— he won states that were formerly part of the production belt and became the Rust Belt, and he touched on it just enough because there's such disparity because of free trade agreements and globalism.

45:34 It was such disparity, I thought he could reach that, and I was right. It was just enough to capture that last gleaming bit of demographic there, but he never ran that type of campaign again. I don't know what is actually real anymore, but I do know that interference comes from everywhere. And I— aside from hacking the machines, which is where you get— or the, or the last minute, you know, like Don talks about, like, we out in California, they just had the, the gubernatorial election. Yeah. And it's an absolute— like, the ballots come in and they're late, and then it's all for one person Right? Like, it's, it's kind of like Lyndon Johnson in '48 when he needed Box 13 to get the 83 votes out of Duval County. Like, they get the votes they need, which is mathematically impossible, you know? It's not people showing up to the back, to the polling place.

46:27 Well, yeah, and Tony was— Tony's right. And during 2020, you know, again, light was shown on things that had happened before. I think Barack Obama, nobody paid attention to his elections because he won convincingly. Absolutely. And the Republican candidates were so awful, they really didn't have any support. And but I think in that election, he was the first one— I think, didn't he, Tony, win at least one county where he got more votes than there were registered voters? I think he was the first one, right? And but, but Biden had— that became a regular under him. And we saw where he had, uh, impossible math, like, uh, there would be a box of votes that came in and 98% of them were for Biden. That's just not possible. And, and that's— and that's— but again, nobody looked at that before. Ron Paul was screwed over even more in the primaries, and, uh, Pat Buchanan was going back to Arizona. Bernie Sanders, absolutely. What we forget, we forget the, the, the biggest proponents of all the Our Democracy and all this horseshit, they came up with a new term. They came up with superdelegates. You had delegates And then they had super delegates. I mean, the most ridiculous, ludicrous thing is in the face— well, and they, and they did, they did that in response to 1972 with George McGovern, who, you know, a lot of people think was a communist, but he was a genuine anti-war candidate. And he was, he was outside, at least to some degree, the establishment left. And they were— and of course he got crushed. And that's when the Democrats said never again. And they came up with this superdelegates thing.

47:55 So no one like that, it's not going to happen again. And that's why Trump, I think he said that's why he chose the Republicans, because, you know, he, he, I said bad things about their voters, but because of the superdelegate thing. But this is all, you know, they've got a lot of people in there saying it's, you know, it's possible if Tucker Carlson forms a third party that I'll get sucked in again because I am a sucker. There's no question about it. I get fooled over and over again. Especially if Tucker runs himself. I'm sure I'll get fooled. I'll probably get sucked in again. And, uh, but you know, I, I, I, I, at this point I'm not going to vote again. It looks like most of the chat isn't in it because I think again most people don't trust that they're— whoever they're voting for, they don't trust the votes are being counted honestly. Well, yeah, um, and, and, uh, that, that seems to be the overall problem. So, so to say that paper ballots is going to fix the issue is laughable. Laughable, because people will never, never have confidence in— at least the people in our bubble will never have confidence in an election process. But why do you think that is? It's funny to me that people who don't believe that, uh, uh, we actually elect the President of the United States or, or any high-powered politician would say— and I'm not accusing either of you of this— would say that paper ballots, uh, are the way to go.

49:20 But I thought elections were rigged, elections didn't matter, but now you want paper ballots because that somehow is going to fix things. I think that's hilarious. It's laughable to me. Um, you know, and, and overall, that's, that's the general problem. It's, it's the, the distrust. And I'm not saying that that distrust comes it comes out of nowhere. It comes from somewhere for sure, but we need proof, guys. We need proof of these things. And, and we'll have some proof of something going wrong, and we'll take that and blow it up. This needs to be reform in so many ways. And, you know, I think in the, the more the time has gone on, the more I've— and I've been following politics since I was a little boy— the more I'm disinterested, because I do believe that there's so much either psychological warfare or internal meddling. And I'm not opposed to, you know, especially on the local level, if you can— if you're in your county and you know that you can have some sort of— you can make a difference and you can actually help oversee some of it, or— and you can be closer to the earth from it, I think that elections can work. I just— the process nationally especially is a real problem. And I do— I think maybe you'd have to have fail-safes, perhaps a paper ballot that matches up on a blockchain scan and they could be recounted in real time or something like that. I mean, they have paper ballots for the, the electronic machines. There is a paper trail.

50:47 Yeah, it needs to have fail-safes. There just needs to be reform across the board. Uh, you know, I'm not— I don't even think our presidential elections work the way that they should anymore. I'm not even sure we should have a national vote. Maybe return to the— like that we did the first 6 presidents of the United States and have Congress elected and have a different congressional system. Let me play Thomas Massie before we get out of here, guys. This one's quick. House, the Senate, the Supreme Court, and the White House, and we're yelling election fraud. I mean, we won all the damn elections and we're in charge, and what are we doing with it? We're bankrupting the country, we're starting new wars, we're violating the Constitution, we're not cracking down on the fraud. The problem is not the elections.

51:29 We won the damn elections. The problem is we're wasting our opportunity that the voters gave us, and, and the Republicans are going to pay for that in November. It'll be an absolute shellacking if they don't wake up. I'm gonna play it again just to get the beginning. I think it's ironic that we control the House, the Senate, the Supreme Court, and the White House, and we're yelling election fraud. I mean, we won all the damn elections. In charge, and what are we doing with it? We're bankrupting the country, we're starting new wars, we're violating the Constitution, we're not cracking down on the fraud. The problem is not the elections. We won the damn elections. The problem— I think he's spot on. I think he's spot on. And I think the problem is, is the people, the deliberate dumbing down of America. We've spoken about this for forever and ever and ever and ever. Donald Trump is a manifestation of the American people, at least half of this country.

52:28 He is a manifestation of where we stand, and that's why we're in the position that we're in, because they voted him in. I know people that did it. Like, I can't believe some of the people that did it. I know 3-time Trumpers, 3 times. I, I don't understand that. I can't come to terms with it, but I understand that it's, that it's, that it's happened, you know. And, uh, it's, it's— there's a variety of things that have, that have come into play. And, and I, I think the real conspiracy here is, is the mind games that they've been playing on us, the psychological operation through social media, you know, and, and other things. I think, I think that can be proven.

53:12 I think we can we can go down that road and be more productive, have, have some fruit to our labor rather than talk about paper fucking ballots. Just saying. I mean, I think Thomas Massie hit it right on the head. We got everything. What are we, what are we talking about, that it's rigged? If it's rigged, then they rigged it for MAGA because MAGA has everything, including the Supreme Court. Dispute that. You cannot. It is a fact. We are living in it now. If you don't agree with it, you are denying reality, and that's a whole nother problem you got to deal with. Tony Ardaburn, what's up? No, I agree with you. I mean, the Republicans, uh, have all the power and they don't like power. They like raising money, like the grift— or not the GOP, for the grand old party— that the grifters on patrol is looking for your— looking for the problem to exacerbate it and take your money. I, I I saw that from, uh, from the inside, and I'm not a— I'm not a GOP guy. So I think Thomas Massie's right.

54:11 And, you know, we get off in these, uh, you know, down these rabbit holes because of, uh, you know, the speech like the president made it. We do have problems with voting, like I said. It's— there's a lot of interference internally, externally, any which way you slice it, uh, and the system itself is broken. It's inherently broken and needs reform. I don't know if we can have a serious conversation about anything in this country anymore because of the way that duopoly works. I don't know if we're actually going to get that. The only choice that you would have is to do something from the ground level up at the local level at this point. Yeah, man. Piper wants a kiss. I love you, Piper. I don't have anger issues. Be nice. All right, Donald Jeffries, what's up?

54:52 Yeah, well, Jackson T. Barrett makes a good point, and that's what I was saying about paper ballots. It means nothing to go to paper ballots if they're not hand-counted. And yeah, of course that's laborious, but that's the only possible way you can do it because you stick them in those— I mean, in my state we have paper ballots, but they go into a machine and get counted. They said we don't know how these things are being counted, so you would have to— and yeah, that's laborious, but that's unfortunately— we've built up a corrupt system. It's not to be trusted by anybody. So they, you know, they have, they have to do that. Shout out to a Black Zionist and Angel Blue in the chat. But, um, Yeah, you know, and Massie, it's, it's nice. And Massie could suck me in with the pres— you know, with a run too. But I'm aware of, you know, the people that claim he's in the Jacques de Molay Society, maybe he's a big Freemason.

55:36 I, I don't know. Who knows? I don't know. And maybe he's got secret Zionist support. I hear all that stuff. But, uh, I hear, you know, from everybody. But, uh, I think that he's right about the Republicans have everything. And that's why when they're talking about China, I, I was on X, you know, trying to counter these people. It when after Trump made his speech, because the whole thing is, wow, bombshell, mic drop, and all this stuff, and all the stuff they have on Obama and all this stuff. I said, okay, so when are the prosecutions going to start? When is Obama going to be indicted? Nothing will happen. This whole thing about China, no one will be indicted over that. He's going after the CIA and all that stuff. Okay, show me, show me who— and Tony's exactly right, they grift. They don't do anything.

56:17 So until they do it, nobody's going to take them anything to take them seriously. So whoever they blame, and, uh, you know, so this whole thing is ridiculous. Again, I just wish, you know, John Quincy Adams called them foreign monsters, and, you know, and we don't go abroad to destroy them. We're— that's all we do. We will not look internally. Our problems are in Washington, D.C. Every problem in the United States— I don't care about Jews or Freemasons or whoever's running things Every problem could be solved if we did— if we had 500— a majority of the 535 members in 2 houses of Congress that were honest and not compromised and not being able to be bought off by Israel or anybody else. If they serve the interests of the people, we could stop all this. But we can't do it because they are compromised, every damn one of them. And they get one in there that's halfway good, Massie, they get rid them. That's too much for them. They don't want anybody in there that's good. So the Supreme Court is— although again, the Supreme Court is what it is. They had a perfect chance to show they were a Trump Supreme Court, and they just, you know, uh, ruled against birthright citizenship, which is a core issue. So it isn't Trump's court. It's all the same thing. And, and, uh, I don't know, I just— the, the two-party system is a joke. And like, again, I say I'm talking about this and I'm saying how rigged it is and everything, Tucker Carlson, you know, you know, he'll wink at me and he'll probably win me over with some great speech to this third party. And maybe they'll put Tulsi Gabbard over there too and RFK Jr., and I'll be sucked right in again. And you'll

57:50 see me at the voting booth, uh, casting a vote that I know won't be counted. RB Ham, uh, uh, voting machines do in fact produce a paper trail and absolutely can be audited. Donald Trump carried out some of the audits, right? You remember the, the— I forgot the something ninjas, Cyber Ninjas. I forget the name of the group that, that— but these things have been carried out over and over and over again. So you can continue to deny reality, brother. Um, it's just not, not the case. Uh, whether you accept the outcomes is something completely different, and that's, that's another, another story for another day, I guess. Anyway, Tony Arterburn, closing thoughts, my guy? Well, I, I— again, I, I think it's interesting conversation to have. Uh, I'm not of the, of the mind that nothing matters I don't want to be, uh, careful not to get down the nihilistic role here where nothing matters and we just basically talk in a circle, which is, you know, like a masturbatory discussion, uh, which leads nowhere. I think we, you know, there is, there is a way forward to reform things and we're just not there yet. I mean, the country's not available yet and I think that we're getting there.

58:58 Um, but I talked about the beginning of the show, I'm driving around looking at the flag, it's half-staff at all these banks and auto dealerships and everything. What is that? Well, it's Lindsey Graham. You know, and I, I can't imagine as a business owner like doing that. I can't imagine having a mindset of that. But that's Texas. Someone said in the chat, I don't know anybody who voted for Greg Abbott in the primary. Yeah, I don't either. I mean, it's funny because back in the '90s my, my dad would talk about that. He's like, I never met anybody that voted for Bill Clinton. Like, and we— because he, you know, and he was in business and it was always networking and talking about it. Never met a Clinton supporter. I never met anybody that did. And it's funny because that's kind of how life works. Um, it's a mystery, a lot of these numbers and demographics and things and how Baffling.

59:40 It's pretty baffling. So we don't know, uh, but we do the best we can. We try to be as honest as we can. And I think, um, you know, seek the truth no matter what and live with it. I think that's— we live in a strange time, so it's, it's be careful not to slip down that slope of just like nothing matters and we're all, you know, especially the, the criticism of somebody like, like Thomas Massie, who I think is a genuine individual. Um, you know, Thomas Massie is not real, then I, you know, guys, he's a He's a shill, Tony. And, and if, and if you agree with anything that he says, you are also a shill. Yeah, well, I'm Shill Jr. He's a Shill Sr. Well, yeah, regardless, it's the degree of shill dumb, you know. It's still in the shill realm.

1:00:24 I mean, this is what these people believe, honestly, you know. Like, like, you can't point out something that someone has said that you disagree with, but you would agree with that point. You can't point it out. You can't say, hey, yeah, that point, that, that makes sense, because that automatically puts you in camp with them. I don't understand that, uh, personally. Um, I, I think Thomas Massie seems like a real guy to me, uh, you know, and, uh, he's saying things that is— that, that are only served to his detriment, which we have seen. We've seen products of this already. We've seen what, what he says delivers for him. Yeah. And by the way, I love the Johnny-come-latelies to, uh, alternative media, which is why it's become such a ridiculous, degraded space. But Uh, they're like, he was part of the DeMolay Society, which is like a kids group for like the sons of Freemasons and people that are like part of Shriners and stuff.

1:01:15 And I'm like, hey, do you know who else was part of the DeMolay? Bill Cooper. He wrote Behold a Pale Horse. Have you heard of it? The Hour of the Time. The great— the greatest radio voice, probably the most natural conspiracy theorist in the history of mankind. Yeah. Yeah, maybe go read his biography. You're gonna, you're gonna melt some brains with that one. I can't help it. These people, like, they just, they read one sentence from some deal and got a click off TikTok, and they're like, oh, Thomas Massie. And I'm like, did you know, did you actually, did you think about this for 2 or 3 minutes? Do you know your history? Uh, Tony, you need, you need anger management. You know, you're way too— well, they're always looking for something. I, and I, I, I point out to people, just in case they ever— I ever get big enough for them to prove it. I grew up in a house that was— the address was 3333.

1:02:03 Nothing to do with it. I'm out of here. I gotta go. I can't be a part of this anymore. This is everything we need to know. You know, he's back, ladies and gentlemen. And, and I, I linked— I linked my bandwagon to Don for at least 10 years, and, and I didn't know about, uh, the, his, uh, his origin story with the 33. So what does that say about me? You know, um, just saying. All right, well, I've got my— one of my, one of my numbers in basketball is number 33 too. Look at that, that's, that's 2, that's strike 3. What am I supposed to do? We can't do it anymore. Um, all right, Tony Arterburn, what's up? I've got a dollar in my pocket and that's the problem. If you've got a dog, if you've got it, you've got a link to the The illumined ones. You've got, you know, George Washington was a free man. He laid the cornerstone of the Capitol and did a whole ceremony with corn wine and oil and did the whole thing, you know, as a high priest. Did you know that? No.

1:03:03 Everything, it's all, it's all in it. And he was, uh, he was one of them. So the whole thing's bad, you know. I guess that's just, that's how ridiculous it is. Like, just peel back the layers, folks. Read some history, you know. Think about it for 5 minutes. And not everything is a big op. There are ops, and there are some pretty dangerous ones. Ops on ops, mind control, right? Uh, you can find me at arterburn.gold, uh, is my website. Uh, find me there. You can send questions over through the website if you'd like to, anything you want to hear on my show, the Arterburn Radio Transmission. I'm working on a new Paratroother with Mr. Anderson, bringing back the Wise Wolf Gold and Crypto Show, macroeconomics, precious metals.

1:03:44 Uh, crypto, all that stuff. I'm gonna— I'm bringing that show back. So, uh, that's dope. Everybody tuning in, you got a co-host? Well, it's all you. I, I'm like, I might ask Ashley if she wants to join. That's dope. That'd be smart. Smart young lady. I might ask her to, to, uh, if she wants to be part, because Wise Wolf Gold and Crypto, we get out of this kind of— and I love alternative media, um, and this is the McLaughlin Group for, for that place in that space. But even we're not, we're not blackpilled enough, you know. I don't— for, for a lot of folks, they tune us out. Yeah. Um, the Cyber Ninjas, that was the name of Cyber Ninjas. Yeah, that they went in to prove that Donald Trump actually won the election, and all they proved was that Joe Biden won. They actually found more votes for Joe Biden, and, and they were, uh, um in favor of Donald Trump. That's why they went in to do it, the Cyber Ninjas.

1:04:39 Go, go look that up, RBM. Um, it'll be enlightening, uh, for you. Donald Jeffries, the legendary. Tell the people what's up. There is always a Substack, the only place I'm not shadowbanned. donaldjeffries.substack.com. I protest, just like my podcast. @donjeffries on X. I'm back at X. Fantastic. My name is Billy Ray Valentine. Uh, I might be on tomorrow, I am not sure. I did an interview, uh, with Neil Sanders. You guys are gonna get triggered, so tune in. Tune in if you— if, if you're real. If you're a real one, tune in, all right? Because otherwise it's not gonna work, okay? So just giving you fair warning. Don't tune in, I don't give a shit.

1:05:22 We're gonna put it up on theinfinitefringe.podbeam.com. It's, it's a, it's a good one. Um, and of course, the episode I did with, with Twisted on Candace Owens, uh, ripping that apart, that was quite easy to do. It wasn't a very difficult thing because all you have to do is just search a couple of things and then you'll find it. It's whether or not you want to accept it. That's the difference. That's where we are. I, I'm gonna seek to try to dissect whatever state of mind we're put in that, that makes us reject empirical evidence, uh, at all costs. I don't get So we did that, and, and that one's on. You guys can find it and watch it. I'll try to go on this Sunday, uh, no guarantees that I will, but if I don't go on on Sunday, I'll go on on Monday. That's it, brother. Uh, Tony Arterburn, burning the place down. We appreciate you.