#233 America Unplugged: JFK’s Declaration, 250 Years & the Call for a Third Revolution

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Donald Jeffries, author of Hidden History and Survival of the Richest, host of the Donald

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Jeffries Show, Billy Ray Valentine, host of the Infinite Fringe Podcast, researcher, truth

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seeker from the Bronx, New York, Tony Arterburn, radio host, combat veteran, precious metals

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analyst, and alt historian. Together, they take on the headlines of the week, decode

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the disinformation, and plow through the mainstream propaganda. Unauthorized, unscripted, and

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unintimidated. This is America Unplugged.

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That's right, we are unscripted, unintimidated, unreal. We're un-Billy'd today, too. I was

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told that Billy was testing the green water in the reflecting pool. He got some on his

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skin and was immediately put into quarantine. We're going to be hearing from Billy next

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week. I'm sure he'll get out of that quarantine suit, but that's an unfortunate turn of events.

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Here on this 4th of July, ladies and gentlemen, 2026, I've got the legendary Donald Jeffries

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with me on his own show. We were talking off air. I'm going to play something here in a

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little bit. Apparently, I knew something that you didn't, Don, which is I have to record

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this. It's a milestone, something in history that Don didn't know. Let me tell you where

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I got it from. Years and years ago, I was listening to a Megadeth song. I think it's

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called We the People. It has an audio track on it. It's audible. You can hear it. I go,

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that is JFK. This is before AI. I'm like, that's JFK's voice. Senator John F. Kennedy

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in 1957 for a radio broadcast read the Declaration of Independence in its entirety. We're going

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to play a little bit of it here today. This will be the first time that Donald Jeffries

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has heard this. I just want to mark this on this 230th whatever episode of America.

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I might have stumbled across something you didn't know, Don.

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If you've learned about it through a Megadeth song, I wouldn't know that. I've never listened

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to them. Good for them. They included JFK. Maybe I need to look into them. It's incredible.

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I learned a lot from Dave Mustaine, the lead singer of Megadeth. He was kicked out of Metallica

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for being a little too crazy. That's why I love him so much. I learned a lot from him

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growing up. That was one of the things. I didn't know that. We will play a little bit

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of it here shortly. Don, it's the 250th anniversary of our beloved Republic. I've had a couple

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of calls in the last 48 hours and people saying, well, it's the 250th and I guess I should

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be celebrating, but it just feels kind of ominous. You can deduce that from the headlines

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and what you're seeing out there. Obviously, you want to celebrate. I love this country.

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We got a lot of problems. There was an article up on Zero Hedge talking about how it was

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125 years, the McKinley assassination era around the turn of the 19th and 20th century.

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We had a lot of the same problems we do today, but they're just much larger. It's a different

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country, different demographics. I think the author of the article was trying to make a

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point that history rhymes and that we come back stronger. I don't know. Things feel a

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lot different since this, especially in the last 10 years. What are your thoughts on this

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250th anniversary? Well, I am just finishing up a subset. I hope to publish it later today

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where I'll talk a lot about that, where I'm calling for a declaration of independence

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too. I think we, which is basically just a larger form of secession because that's, again,

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that's what the founders did. I mean, that's why, you know, when I wrote about the war

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between the states, I said, this is the exact same thing we did. You know, we seceded from

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great Britain, the rule of English rule with King George. And that's what we need to do.

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We need to unplug. We talk about unplugging from the grid. It needs to be a giant unplugging

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from this grid because there's nothing, you know, we can celebrate Jefferson's words,

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which are, you know, somebody, I was listening to somebody and I agree with him. I think

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that next to the Bible, it's the most profound thoughts ever expressed, you know, and they're

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just, if you, they're timeless, brilliantly put, you know, Jefferson was only, I think,

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33 years old. 33, of course, 33 again. Maybe that discredits it, but, you know, so to listen

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to what he said, and the irony is that we have leaders, especially now, and we have

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leaders at the time of Lincoln. And that's what I talk about. We need a third American

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revolution because Lincoln's was the second American revolution, and it destroyed the

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first one. And Lincoln wasn't celebrating Jefferson's words because Lincoln hated Jefferson.

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And everybody we have in power today, they may throw a crumb out there about it, but

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they don't believe in what the Declaration of Independence says. The most important part

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of it is, you know, again, reflecting the consent of the governed. And that's why I

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try to tell people, when those southern states weren't allowed to secede, they no longer

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consented. And the Declaration of Independence is built on that foundation of the consent

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of the governed. We no longer consent to British rule. In 1860, the southern states said, we

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no longer consent to the rule of this union, of this government. We don't agree anymore.

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We want to go our own way. And Lincoln said, no, you can't. You know, I don't have to have

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your consent. This is not a voluntary union. So people don't realize what was lost there.

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And so ever since then, if they talk about consent of the governed, it's just, you know,

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it's just wordplay. Because it means nothing. They showed that. Almost a million, you know,

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Americans died to show that this was not, you know, a consensual thing. And so we need

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a third American revolution to overturn the second. And it's, you know, it needs to have

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a Declaration of Independence. And again, I'm not saying violent, because we can't hope to defeat

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the military industrial complex and everything they have. But it has to be something where we

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use our numbers. And we don't participate anymore. And we need to, again, very difficult thing to do.

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But at this point, we can celebrate Jefferson's words, even though none of our leaders are,

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because none of them agree with him. That's why it'd be great to hear JFK, because I think JFK

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did agree with him. And the more I learned about his Senate career, you know, he was not an empty

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suit in the Senate. He was reading that and he was, you know, he was already going on the record

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as having support for Palestinian state, which, you know, how many senators were doing that in

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the 1950s? So he abstained from, from voting against Joe McCarthy. First, yes, McCarthy,

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you know, most people don't know that, like, he actually decided not to vote. And, yeah, I mean,

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Profiles in Courage, the book he wrote while, while he was senator. It's a completely different

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outlook. And, you know, while he was president, he, I think he was the last president to really

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give Thomas Jefferson his due. Oh, being of the author of the Declaration of Independence,

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but that comment that Kennedy made in front of all these Nobel laureates.

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Remember, like he had the in the White House ballroom, he said,

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this is the most brainpower assembled in this room since Thomas Jefferson died or dined alone,

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right? Yeah, that's one of my favorite quotes from him. And he said he clearly, he was certainly the

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last Democrat to pay homage to him. And, you know, and talk about him, Jefferson was the founder of

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what became the Democrat Party. And so, you know, he's, we can sit there and we're not really

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honoring his words, because we don't, because again, these people, they don't believe in them,

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they don't believe in the consent of the government. If they agree with what Lincoln did,

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they don't agree with the consent of the government, clearly don't. And they don't

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believe in the inalienable rights that are self evident, because they come from God.

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Because how many people, what is the percentage of the country that doesn't believe in God?

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Might be half, I don't know. Or has certainly has no good, but there's a huge millions of people

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that don't believe in God. So they're not going to believe in any rights derived from him if they

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don't believe in him. So that kind of lost its power. So it's, but when you look at the long

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train of, you know, abuses and usurpations, they're nothing compared. I mean, they're little

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things like, you know, little taxes and laws that didn't pass. I mean, we look at it now,

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what was the big fuss? Because what have we been putting up with? Especially since 1865,

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when Lee surrendered, you talk about a long train of abuses and usurpations. And I tried to list a

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few of them in my Substack article, but there's so many and they're from the local level on up.

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I mean, just all the licenses and registrations we have to get for everything from, you know,

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hunting and fishing to driving a car. And, you know, you have to be licensed for everything.

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The government has, yeah, property taxes, withholding taxes, things like that. And

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an infrastructure that, you know, these taxes somehow don't cover that infrastructure to keep

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it to be going. Piper Fogel says, McCarthy is right. Piper, you need to read my books.

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You know, crimes and cover-ups in American politics, 1776, 1963, and American memory hole.

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Nobody has come out stronger for Joe McCarthy than I have. He was an American hero. And he

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was a good friend of the Kennedys, by the way. And I think there's no question.

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Bobby Kennedy, didn't he date Joe McCarthy's daughter?

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No, no, no. McCarthy dated a couple of the Kennedy sisters and he was the godfather to

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Kathleen Kennedy, RFK's oldest child. Although they've tried to wipe that from the record now.

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They tried to scrub it, but no, there's way too many references to it. And they were

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good friends. And all three of them, old Joe Kennedy, James Forrestal, and Joe McCarthy,

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look what happened to all of them. And, you know, JFK was right there too, touring Europe with Jim

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Forrestal. And Forrestal was good friends with McCarthy. And Forrestal told, it was Joe McCarthy

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that he told that great quote to about, you know, McCarthy, if this wasn't a giant conspiracy,

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once in a while, they'd make a mistake in our favor. So these are the guys, and you know,

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they killed, they pushed Forrestal out of a window at Bethesda Naval Hospital.

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And McCarthy went into the same Bethesda Naval Hospital at age 48, with a knee issue. And he was

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dead three days later, no autopsy ever performed. And they began the process of smearing him to now

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where his is, and again, that's the second American Revolution. That's all part of that,

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where you can take a guy like that, and who is, you know, was a genuine war hero, say what you

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want to know. I mean, he was doing something, you know, as dangerous as possible. And so he wasn't

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any kind of chicken hawk. He was a genuine war hero. That's probably why he got elected to

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Congress. And he was doing what he thought was patriotic. He was trying to root out communist

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influence in the government, mainly the army. And he had nothing to do with Hollywood, by the way,

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people. So anybody talks about that, you know, he wasn't he was in the Senate. So he had nothing to

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do with the House Un-American Activities Committee. So you should talk about J. Parnell

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Thomas, that's the guy you want to point your finger at. But it's McCarthyism. And it's unfair,

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but it's one of the many historical untruths that I tried to, you know, to try to combat

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in writing. And, you know, it's but here we are. And ironically, there really isn't I mean,

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we can we can talk about celebrating and maybe we can celebrate the ideals that built this

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country. But how many people believe in them? Again, I just I don't think they do. And it's,

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again, I can't get past that. And if I keep talking about Lincoln so much, is that

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oh, there's TCCT says that the Constitutional Convention was the second revolution when the

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Articles of Confederation were scrapped. Well, you I guess you could argue that. Because there's

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and more and more people are pointing out that to me, you know, I stole the virtues of the

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Constitution, which is mainly because of the Bill of Rights. Without the Bill of Rights,

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you have the Constitution is a pretty bad thing. And but, you know, but more and more you look at

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it. And certainly most of the people that read me remind me all the time, hey, Articles of

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Confederation. So maybe they were better. Certainly, we would have had a far more limited

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government. I don't think we could have built up this Leviathan with that because they really,

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really limited the power under the Articles of Confederation. But, you know, we've come a long

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way, obviously, from that to and Jefferson himself along Patrick Henry, certainly George Mason,

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they all distrusted the Constitution. And Patrick Henry famously said, I smelt a rat. That's why he

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didn't go to the Constitutional Convention. And Jefferson and Mason, they only supported it once

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they incorporated the Bill of Rights into it, which was essential. But there's just, you know,

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so many things that we allowed to happen right from the very beginning, even before Lincoln,

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you know, we had judicial review, which we see, we see the effects of judicial review today,

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we just had a disastrous decision by the Supreme Court, with Trump's handpicked judges, Amy Coney

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Barrett, that overturned his attempt to finally do something right and get rid of birthright

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citizenship. That's judicial review. And, you know, that go back to John Marshall and Jefferson

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was, you know, arguing against that then. And unfortunately, we've allowed it to be instituted.

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So again, we can't celebrate that.

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Well, do you think so? My thesis of the American Revolution, and I think people wrongly associate

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the American Revolution with things like the French Revolution, which are a completely

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different spirit, completely different energy, different goals. And so they're not the same

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thing. And it's not just revolutionary for the sake of being revolutionary. If you actually look

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at the history, you know, you have the British had, you know, centuries of tradition of, you know,

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self-government. I mean, it wasn't perfect, obviously, you had, you know, parliamentary

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government and the monarchy and the rest, but it was getting towards the consent of the governor,

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governed, you know, with the Magna Carta and other things. And by the time you reach 1776, you have

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the British had become an empire. You know, you had that famous saying in the 19th century,

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you know, that the sun never sets on the British empire. And the Americans, the American colonies

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were isolated in many ways. And, you know, without having integration into the British

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system, because British, the Brits and the home rule, you know, it looked like they were just

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subjects. So it was more of a conservative revolt. And if you want to use that word,

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it was actually going back to first principles instead of creating something that never existed,

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which is, you know, the French revolution was about destroying and toppling the Ancien Regime.

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And I talked about on my show Thursday about, you know, they accidentally didn't kill Thomas

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Paine. I mean, it was an accident. He was supposed to get the guillotine, Thomas Paine,

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who wrote Common Sense and the Rights of Man, was going to be beheaded by the French. I mean,

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they were just bloodlust for the sake of it. And the American Revolution was trying to embody

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tradition, even if you bring in the Greco-Roman tradition of law and other things. So it was a

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long history of codifying, you know, self-rule. And of course, you have the issue of the wolf by

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the ears, you know, that Thomas Jefferson mentioned about slavery. And unfortunately, that

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missing piece of actually, you know, abolishing slavery at the beginning cost us, I think,

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a great deal of liberty. I mean, because you talk about it in your books with, you know, especially

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crimes and cover-ups, you know, in 1776, 1963, where you go back to the history and you show

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the concentration of power through Lincoln. You know, this was a, it is, the slavery was an issue,

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but the true issue was consent of the governed and federal power. And that's what it was about.

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I mean, that's, you know, at the beginning of the Civil War, you had Lincoln, as you famously

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mentioned many times about, you know, I would, if I could free the slaves and save the Union,

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I would do it. If I could free half the slaves and save the Union, I would do it. If I free

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none of the slaves and save the Union, I would do it. It's about Union. It was about concentration

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of power, not what, you know, the mythology around Lincoln. It's bunk, you know, it's not

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what it, you know, the court historians say it was. So now we arrive, you know, we're at 250,

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and there's, it doesn't even resemble, even like the word democracy is not in our founding

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documents, that the founding fathers loathed democracy. I think it was Hamilton that said that

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democracy is shortened in their lifespan and violent in their deaths. You know, that's what

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they learned from their classical educations. And our founding fathers and those who built the

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country were just absolute geniuses and not perfect. Obviously, like, you know, you can

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dredge up anyone's sins, but you look at the brain power that it took to assemble an imperfect

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document, by the way, but it's damn fine. I mean, the Bill of Rights, like you mentioned that,

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you know, Madison needed inserted to even make it work to ratify it. And there's that famous

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line from Franklin when he was being carried out, you know, he had gout at the Constitutional

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Convention, it was secret. And the lady approached him from the street and said, Mr. Franklin, what

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sort of government shall we have? And he said, a republic, madam, if you can keep it. If you can

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keep it. Yeah, I don't think we could obviously look like we couldn't keep it. But yeah, you know,

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it's when you when you look at those, and again, they were the one percentage of their day. And

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that's what made it so incredible. Can you imagine, you know, imagine Elon Musk and Bill

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Gates and Trump and people like that, that imagine these guys, Carlos Slim.

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Imagine these guys just sitting around a table and, and pledging their fortunes.

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They don't have any honor, so they can't pledge their sacred honor, you know, for their lives and

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risking their lives on the battlefield. And so many of these guys did, they actually went out,

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they weren't chicken hawks. You know, George Washington was was leading battles. You know,

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it just so this people don't realize that. And you had a little of that in the Civil War,

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but it was already, you know, Peter, and then certainly after that, I mean,

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can be some politicians that are orchestrating armies, but at least those as bad as those,

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those wars were certainly in the, the Revolutionary War, you had, you had a lot of those

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one percenters, I recounted what happened if someone were killed in battle, a lot of them

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lost their fortunes. And, you know, so it's, it's, you can admire what I don't know how I would have

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felt if I had been living them, because I'm so adverse to war. I don't know if I would have been

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able to get worked up enough over the stamp tax and all the little things that they got,

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because looking at it in retrospect, they're really small things. And, you know, it was worth

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it. Would I want, would I want to risk my life for it or my son's life? No, I don't think so.

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But on the other hand, you know, when you listen to Patrick Henry's, give me liberty,

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give me death, you know, I mean, it's, it's stirring. It's a war speech, but it's, you know,

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it's really incredible to listen to those guys were there were the greatest generation if they

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ever existed, the Adams, you know, Adams and his son, both John Quincy, these are brilliant,

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brilliant men, George Mason, and you Vince Agnelli, if he's out there,

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would love hearing that, because he's the biggest expert on George Mason out there.

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Jefferson, of course, and these are and Thomas Stone, I want to kick it, I just ancestry.com

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tells me that Thomas Stone, who signed the Declaration of Independence from Maryland,

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was my first cousin, 11 times removed or something. So that means at one point,

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he was a close relative. He was the first cousin. So very happy to, to know that. But

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these guys were brilliant. And they just imagine what, if they could be around today to see what

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had happened, the things that they could not possibly have envisioned, they couldn't have

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envisioned Lincoln. And that that that alone would what you know, you're throwing people in

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jail, you're suspending the writ of habeas corpus, you're shutting down newspapers, and you're

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having, you know, brothers fight brothers and over what, you know, you don't know what you're

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fighting for. And not to mention, you know, going global, you're going in, you know, with with

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Quincy, John Quincy Adams said, America does not go in search of monsters to destroy foreign

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monsters to destroy. And, and that's, but with that's what all we've done. And, you know,

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things like the Federal Reserve, what would Jefferson and Jackson and all the people that,

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that fought the National Bank, I mean, talking about losing, and that's, that's one of the

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problems at the beginning, it was Jeffersonians and the Hamiltonians. And the Hamiltonians won,

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the Hamiltonians got George Washington's ear. And they, you know, they convinced a lot of people,

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the Adamses and everything, and they were able to get that National Bank established, which

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chartered and then Jackson fought the second one, John Tyler fought this another very underrated

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president that I've written about. And Jack Stevens says the founders are spinning in the

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grass, it warps speed. I can't imagine what they must be thinking. It's be worrying. But I mean,

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to, to, to watch what happened to their dream, and not to mention even just something like,

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you know, they were, they were somebody like Jefferson, and you mentioned,

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that's why it's so unfair the way Jefferson is treated. He was one of the most enlightened men

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of his time on everything. And the passage he wrote condemning slavery was brilliant. And if

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they if they had included it in that, obviously would have been a much, but they couldn't have

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got it passed. That's why they had to take it out. Because some of the southern states would

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not and again, Jefferson was from Virginia, he owned slaves, as we're reminded with,

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with a sledgehammer over and over again. But he recognized it was wrong. You know, he recognized

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even though he was profiting from it, he recognized this is not right, to, you know,

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enslave human beings. And the passage he wrote, again, is this beautiful condemnation of slavery

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is you're going to read anywhere else. And if they kept it in there, again, I'm not sure

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how that but Jeff Jefferson did have a plan. Unlike Lincoln, who basically Lincoln threw

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everybody in the deep end. And just that was what he wanted to do. And you saw what happened,

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you know, the mess that happened, the Ku Klux Klan and Jim Crow laws and all that, because they,

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there was no plan. Jefferson had a plan, he had delineated how he wanted to go after a certain

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date that everybody, every black that was born would be born free. And gradual education,

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things like that to try to assimilate them in society, which nothing like that was done.

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When it happened, again, they were all thrown in the deep end. They put a bunch of illiterate

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slaves, they installed them in our Congress, on the floors of Congress, they literally couldn't

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read or write. And they just, just, I don't know what is a joke or whatever they were supposed to

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do, but they certainly didn't have any kind of a plan like Jefferson did. And so if you if you

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read that passage, it shows you the kind of mind that existed then. And you mentioned Thomas Paine,

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you know, who certainly is, and I wrote about him in Crimes and Cover Ups, I found out things about

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him, I didn't know the fact that we don't really know where his remains are. Nobody knows. Because

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it's just a real crime. We still celebrate. I read in your book, wasn't it? Somebody had taken

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pieces of his bones and like sewn them into clothing, like relics and things like that.

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Thomas Paine was, of course, a born British. I mean, he was born in England and lived there

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most of his life and then immigrated to the colonies. But yes, insane story of Thomas

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Paine's life. He doesn't get enough credit. He doesn't get talked about enough. He has a brilliant

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mind, though. No, absolutely. And, you know, common sense was, you know, was really did

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stir the pot. I mean, that got, you know, lots of people who read it and the colonists to whatever

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degree. And there was the literacy rate then wasn't what it is now. But the people that could

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read read it. And as we pointed out many times, it was only maybe five to 10 percent or something

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like that. The colonists that ended up supporting the war, because that's all you need, because

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there were influential people at the top pushing it. The Sons of Liberty were all one percenters.

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Right. These were all these guys, Sam Adams, John Hancock. I mean, I have great respect for

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John Hancock. I mean, I love the way he signed his name so big. And I believe the story that

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he said, I want the King George to be able to read it without his glasses. Why else would he make it

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so big? Yeah. Yeah. The way the king doesn't have to use his spectacles. And he was you talk about

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your sacred honor and your fortune. That was that was John Hancock. I mean, he had a lot to lose.

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He wasn't just like a what was it, years later, you know, after I got back from the military and

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you had that line from John Kerry about Benedict Arnold CEOs, you know, moving their companies

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offshore. And it's like that's what we and even Thomas Jefferson said that merchants have no

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country. But John Hancock certainly wasn't that. I mean, he really believed in the country in which

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he made his fortune and risk it all to to be a revolutionary. It really was an amazing time,

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the spirit of 76. And I think as we move forward, it's important to go back and actually

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read and understand, like read your books and real history, not the court historians and especially

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not the hit jobs that are done now to, you know, I think is a psychological operation to get people

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like Solzhenitsyn said, if you want to destroy people, you sever their roots. We have our roots

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severed, you know, through not just decades, but centuries now of reframing history. And if you go

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back, though, it's it is inspiring. And, you know, you only get so many chances as a collective

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society to get it right. And I think we're always trying to get it right. You know, we we live in an

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age now where we have rule by psychopathy. I would that needs to be like a new like on Plato's wheel

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where it's like democracy and oligarchy and then tyranny. Like we need to put in like whatever

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rule by psychopath is because we're there. Psychopath pedophilia, like right or right

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around there, whatever that whatever that on the wheel is, that's where we are. And I think that's

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something new under the sun. Yeah, no, definitely. And so, you know, when we look at what we're

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this is we should I mean, and again, I remember it's one of the reasons why I first started

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down in the moon landing as a little kid, you know, is that I thought I just expected more of

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a hoopla. You know, it's like it just didn't seem like it was that as big a deal as I thought it

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would be. And the bicentennial, R.B. Ham, my friend in Canada, remembers it. But I you know, in 1976,

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I was still really a far left wing youngster. And I was I wasn't feeling that patriotic. I had a

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little streak in me. So I wasn't paying that that much attention to it. Gerald Ford was president

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member of the Warren Commission, you know, so I wasn't you know, I remember the bicentennial

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quarters, things like that. But certainly they they paid and R.B. Ham said they had a lot of

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comic books and they had a bicentennial theme on a lot of things they did. I haven't seen that kind

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of theme for the 250th anniversary. And it's not surprising, I guess, that we've gotten that much

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less. There's the there's the Trump 250 bill, the $250 Trump bill. You're forgetting. That's right.

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That's right. And he did paint the reflecting pool. I guess that was because

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and I want to say finally, we finally have an arrest. They managed to capture the former marine

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that was the guy that apparently desecrated the new paint job on the reflecting pool. So he is

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being prosecuted. So never let it be said that they're not prosecuting anybody. So they're going

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after the big the big the big fry. That's for sure. Real crimes. So thank goodness that I don't hear

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anyone talk about nobody being prosecuted. So that guy is. But you just think that there would be,

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you know, I don't know what I would expect, but I would expect, for instance, I would expect the

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History Channel to have all day new documentaries produced, you know, about themes related to our

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founding. Instead, they're running a bunch of World War Two documents. This is not American

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Pickers, but it's not much better. It has nothing to do with it. It's like every Easter when they run

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when they run the Ben-Hur or something like that, you know, or they run something that's

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through the Old Testament. I never quite understood it. But this is even worse,

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because obviously World War Two has nothing to do with the founding of our country. And in fact,

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it's kind of part of the repudiation of what the founders stood for, because none of them

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would have supported that. They wouldn't have supported World War One. You know, George

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Washington said, you know, no entangling alliances certainly weren't going to allow us to go global.

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And but that started in 1898. And again, just just nothing but a long train of abuses and usurpations

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that went far, far away from what the originally, you know, intended and Piper Fogel says the media

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is run by communists. Yeah, well, we certainly know that, I guess New York City is. And that's

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where Bill, I hope Billy Ray is keeping his thermostat at 78, because Comrade Mondami has

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decreed that it should be 78 in the seat. So they're gonna be pretty hot if that's the case.

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Doesn't that piss you off? I mean, we won't stay on that too long. But doesn't that piss you off

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when you hear these people say, well, you know, the grid just can't support, we'll fix the grid,

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like I hear in Texas. And I'm like, they just keep saying, well, you know, the grid, this,

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the grid that I'm like, what are you doing? It is 2026. We should have I mean, the grid should

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become I mean, the technology itself is so outdated, and you don't even update the outdated

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technology. It's insane. I mean, that they obviously, you have to go to some sort of like,

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this is a plan, like, it's on purpose at this level of incompetence. It can't be real that

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they don't update the actual electricity grid. So you have to you have to I mean,

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the austerity of that literally floating on a sea of coal and oil, and we could build nuclear,

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all this stuff as solar and even all the wind, everything combined together. And you're telling

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me that we got to adjust the thermostats, just absolute lunacy.

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And it's not a partisan thing. Stephanie Greene runs as Republicans recommended the same in the

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past 78 degrees. And it's, again, we know that it does. We know that Al Gore, you know,

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ran up the biggest utility bill ever seen in Tennessee, I think at the same time when he was

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Mr. Lee to watch what you had was Joe Crowe, who was sure no, no, it was a Jennifer Aniston,

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I think that was saying, brush your teeth while you take a shower, all these absurd things. I

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think Prince Charles said that don't use toilet paper. That was only use two sheets or something

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like that. But they never go after the big, you know, environmental culprits like the military

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industrial complex, or, you know, giant tech and all this stuff. I mean, they did for a while,

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you know, Bitcoin, the servers are draining too much energy. And you don't hear that anymore at

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all because of AI. I mean, it was just, just the complaint du jour. And it's all nonsense. And

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it's really about austerity and just keeping you from able to live a quality of life we deserve.

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I mean, this is absolutely insane. Yeah, that was it was two sheets,

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Stephanie Greene, and that was Cheryl Crowe actually said that. So I said, you know,

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I thought you're all Carol's Cheryl Crowe was kind of hot. But uh, you know, she's actually

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I don't want to hang around. I don't want to think about that. But well, I'm sure she wasn't

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because you know, these these people never do. They never practice. They fly into what is Leonardo

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DiCaprio and people like that. They'll fly into to lecture you about your carbon footprint on their

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private jets and things like that. So we know we know they don't. But again, that's why. And again,

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that's I think that's something that the founders could never have foreseen the the impact of

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celebrities. You know, did they have celebrities then? And who are the celebrities beyond them,

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maybe in terms of if they were celebrities? And these were, you know, again, enlightened people

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who were great writers and speakers. They weren't singers and dancers or, you know,

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TV or radio stars, obviously, since they inhabit. So that's a whole nother thing that's been thrown

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into the mix. But we have to ask ourselves, what do we celebrate? Because it's you know,

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I don't know what there is to celebrate because we're we can maybe celebrate the death of the

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Declaration of Independence because no one listened to it. Everybody stopped listening. Everybody now,

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even though they and it's kind of like the Constitution, I thought, you know, you've heard

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me say probably, but that I talk about how it's so ironic that people even like Ilhan Omar and

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people like that, that I think are pretty much publicly said they don't support the Constitution.

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They are sworn in on it. They're sworn to uphold the Constitution. They don't believe in it.

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So it's ridiculous. And they the Constitution is much more palatable to them than the Declaration

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of Independence because the Declaration of Independence sets out what they were trying

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to do and let you know, hey, the Constitution doesn't say that you can alter or abolish this

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government if you want. The Declaration of Independence does. And that's why and that's

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what I said, it's the most dangerous line in it. And they can't they can't get rid of it.

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And yet people read it and they go right over it. Wait, what was that last line there?

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Because I think the vast, I don't know what the vote would be, but

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and maybe there's so many stupid Americans now, I don't know. But I'd have to think that

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many, many millions of Americans would if you had a national referendum and said, hey, you know,

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is it time to invoke that passage in the Declaration of Independence about,

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you know, that we should alter or abolish this form of government? I would have to think millions

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of people say yes. It really is. It is our founding document. I mean, that is that it

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should be the bedrock or the cornerstone of what America is supposed to be. Right. And we're we're

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told to look away. And what's one of the saddest things during covid 1984 was just how toothless,

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like the Christian movement had become, like in Christian, you know, the balance of power that

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used to have Christian tradition because they use Romans 13. So whatever the government says,

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you kind of you have to follow that. You know, I heard a lot of pastors say that, you know,

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the government comes out with this and, you know, we're we as Christians because of Roman 13.

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And I kept going, the Constitution is king, you know, Lex Rex, you know, the Constitution is king

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like we illegitimate out of the ruling class is these are these orders are these edicts. The

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Constitution is what we're supposed to follow. This is illegitimate rule that we're seeing.

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So you should oppose this. But it's just sad because if you don't look at the history,

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Don, as you know, you know, the the one thing that we learn from history is that we do not

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learn from history. So that's the that's the curse, I guess, of humanity. But before I go to this

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clip from John F. Kennedy, 1957, I remember when I got back from my final tour in Iraq, I was 2004

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and Ronald Reagan just died like it was June of 2004, late June. So I went up to D.C. from Fort

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Bragg and somewhere on C-SPAN reels, you'll find a young 24 year old Tony Arterburn somewhere if

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you go back to the C-SPAN archives, because I actually got really close to the Capitol

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steps in the rotunda when they brought Reagan down in his coffin and everything. And I

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watched Nancy Reagan walk by me and they put him in the hearse and the whole caravan goes.

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And so I got a little snapshot of that history. And of course, the flags were lowered to half

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mass during during that time for July 4th. And remember, my uncle asked me, he said,

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do you think there's any other time in American history where the flags have been lower? And I

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said on July 4th. And I said, yes, I actually do know of a time that if they had word, they would

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have been because Thomas Jefferson and John Adams died on July 4th on the same day, 50 years to the

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day. Yeah. And I wrote about that in Crime to Cover. Again, I don't because again, especially

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Jefferson was more of a deist, you know, he was not exactly your traditional Christian. I'm not

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sure. But John Quincy Adams was very religious. I don't know if John Adams, but I think he was a

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Christian of some kind. But what that to me that that almost I think that's a sign that, you know,

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two of the leading, you know, founding fathers died 50 years to the day, the signing of the

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Declaration of Independence. I mean, what are the odds of one of them? And James Monroe actually

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later died on July 4th as well. I mean, you know, people have oddsmakers figuring that out. But I

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think the odds against that are astronomical. And I think I think it means something. You know,

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I like to think it means something. It's a sacred thing, in my opinion. And I, you know, I'm a

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believer. And I think that at some level, you know, we're in God's simulation, whatever that

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means to you, you can have your own faith or and I certainly don't want to convince you of anything.

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But I'm not an atheist because there's too many things in history, if you look into it,

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that are not coincidences and statistically so improbable. But there was some sort of

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consecration there on July. It was actually, you know, July 2nd was when it was ratified,

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I believe, and then July 4th was released to the public. So interesting, Don, you know,

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I think we're of the same mind there. Let me put this up on the screen here. And we're going to

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share a little bit of this John F. Kennedy talk that he gave on radio in 1957.

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When in the course of human event, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the

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political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the

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earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitled

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them. A decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes

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which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men

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are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights,

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that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, that to secure these rights,

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governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.

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Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right

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of the people to alter or to abolish it and to institute new government, laying its foundation

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on such principles and organizing its powers in such form as to them shall seem most likely to

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affect their safety and happiness. Prudence indeed will dictate that governments long established

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should not be changed for light and transient causes, and accordingly all experience hath shown

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that mankind are more disposed to suffer while evils are sufferable than to right themselves

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by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses

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and usurpations pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under

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absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty to throw off such government and to provide

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new guards for their future security. Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies,

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and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government.

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Well, it is the, or was it treason is the reason for the cease or something that I remember

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hearing so many years ago. You know, those radical words from Thomas Jefferson read by

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the last real president of the United States. Yeah, yeah, and you can tell, but it's wonderful

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to hear. And again, I can't believe I've never heard that, but as much as I've been obsessed

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about JFK and certainly love Jefferson Declaration of Independence as well. So that's a wonderful

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combination there. But he, you can tell that maybe, I don't think he was acting, that there's

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a lot of passion in what he was saying. He believed, and you can tell he believes in it.

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And I think that's the way he governed. And so, yeah, that's amazing. And I'm going to,

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if you send me that link to that email, and I'm going to see if I can put it up there. So

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on the sub stack, because I'll be publishing it later today.

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You know, I'm reminded, there's a great scene from the movie National Treasure with Nick Cage,

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and he reads that and he stops and he says, you know, people don't talk like that anymore.

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And it really struck me. It was like around 2004 when that movie came out. And I think about that,

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people don't talk like that anymore. And you hear the cadence and the inflection and the belief

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and the authenticity of JFK, because I'm a connoisseur of the spoken word. And if you can

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really speak, which modern politicians are just God awful. I mean, they used to have great

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orators, at least, you know, at least they put emphasis on like how they could sway you. Now,

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it's just, I mean, we have reduced the level of discourse in this country to, I don't know,

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there's no precedence for this in history. I don't.

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Well, imagine reading even Trump or Biden, you know, reading,

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wouldn't have quite the same impact. And I think you could probably tell that

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neither one of them, you know, believed in it. But it's, that's great to hear. And again,

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people need to realize it wasn't Peter Sikash, he's great to see here. He said that he thinks

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Adams was a Unitarian. Maybe he, maybe John Adams was, but John Quincy Adams, I know I wrote in my

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book, he was, I believe he went to church every day, he was so religious. And he read a certain

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number. So I doubt Unitarians, and that's the one where they put the question mark out front or

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something. I don't think Quincy Adams could have been, I think he was more of an Episcopalian.

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But John Quincy Adams was certainly much more devout in a sense of traditional faith than his

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father. Yeah, I think a lot of those guys, you know, they, they came out, it's the period of

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the Enlightenment, it's Voltaire, it's Locke, it's Rousseau. Yes. The Enlightenment itself was so

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strong and pervasive. And that's why in the 19th century, you had like the concept of like,

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what is it, the Great Revival, there was a lot more return to kind of a, the Protestant

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Reformation tenets, if you will, like it was, it was returned to that and more of an abandonment

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of the Enlightenment. But yeah, I think one of the chat comments was that George Washington

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was an atheist. And I would argue that. I don't think that's true. He wasn't a Christian in that,

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in the sense that a lot of Christians want to throw, because I read his history, he never

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mentioned the word, or the name Jesus in any official correspondence that I know of. Yeah,

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but he was a very devout Freemason. And he was also, he read his Bible every day. He was,

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he had a sense of sacred, and I don't think, I don't think atheism was, was a part of that. He

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certainly, I think there was a, there was a lot of, if you want to call it deism or whatever,

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but it was, it was an amalgamation of like principles and faith. And even Jefferson,

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you know, he wrote that, the New Testament, when he took out, what was it, the moral teachings of

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Jesus of Nazareth, and he took out all the miracles and like. Yeah, Jefferson, which is,

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I mean, yeah, and that's, that's important. And you know, Jefferson also was, you know,

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he wasn't perfect, obviously. He also was very sympathetic to Adam Weishaupt and the Illuminati.

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You know, I talked about that where actually Washington condemned him because he was,

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Jefferson was a free thinker. So, he welcomed anybody that was challenging religious orthodoxy

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because he challenged religion. But this is an important reminder how the founders,

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especially Jefferson, were, you know, were enlightened. They're part of the Enlightenment.

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And the Declaration of Independence is a document from the Enlightenment. It's not,

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even though it mentions God, as you said, there's the biblical passage that too many Christians

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quote, you know, that basically obey your government or, you know, that kind of thing.

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And I don't see any reason to do that. That makes no sense to me. And so, you know, I prefer the

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enlightened view. And I think that they had it just right. And that's what they were saying,

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you know, we should, we should consent to those who govern us. And that's the problem with it

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is really, I don't know if that happened anywhere in the world before that. I mean, John Locke and

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other people may have touched on that. But the founders were the first to put it down on paper,

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and say, this is what we want, and that people do have these rights. And that,

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most importantly, that the people that you're born again, they said that they're derived from

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God. So, they must have believed in God in some sense, because they thought we were born,

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and they derived these powers from God. And they've called it nature's God or whatever. But

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that, you know, that we have liberty, you know, and the pursuit of happiness. And that was that's

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just such a revolutionary concept, because no one thought of that before, you know, you're being,

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we mean, you have certain rights from God, you know, we've been certainly there, it's alien now,

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because, as I said, you can't get past the importance of the fact that I don't think half

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the population, but a large chunk of the population in America today doesn't believe in God. So,

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certainly not the traditional guide. So, they wouldn't, why would they believe in God given

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rights? What do you mean? So, that concept is foreign to them. But I think it's an important

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distinction, which means we don't need the government. That's why, you know, the Bill of

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Rights just basically was the same kind of thing. It just, it laid out that these are the rights you

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have. It's not that the government was giving you those rights. The government was protecting

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the fact that you inherently have those rights. And that's what people, how many people understand

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that today? Because we look at the, not only the First Amendment, which is obviously under assault,

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no one believes in it. The Second Amendment, which is, you know, in Crimes and Cover-ups,

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I published, you know, quotes from all the founders, even Hamilton, every one of them

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talked about how important it was for individuals to have the right to bear arms. There was no

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ambiguity about it. They should have worded the Second Amendment a little better. The Fourth

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Amendment was shattered. It's shattered every time there's a police traffic stop, or could be.

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And every time you, when they created SWAT teams and things like that, that we have unreasonable

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searches and seizures. And the Tenth Amendment is very important. It's ignored. You know,

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everything else belongs to the people, but nobody believes in that. So, they've ignored these rights,

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so they clearly don't think they come from God. And how do we invoke them? I don't know, try doing

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it. And as you saw with Alex Jones's trial, and Trump didn't, but Alex Jones, they did try to

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invoke the First Amendment, at least, and no, they said, the judge said the Constitution is,

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something like the Constitution is no defense in this court. And I was like, what?

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So, that's where we are, you know, so I don't know what we're celebrating.

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Yeah, I think the key failure in the American experiment, in my opinion,

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has been the breakdown of the rule of law, and the sacredness of that, of justice itself. And

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that even goes back to Plato's Republic, and all of the dialogues of Socrates, you know, at the end,

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the end goal was to clarify and define what justice is, you know, and we've abandoned that

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search for justice. It's become ideological. It's become more of a zero-sum game, or whatever that

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meant, like the exploration of justice itself. And I think the abandonment, even of your time

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frame, where you had the ACLU and others that were always on the fringes of defending, you know,

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free speech, and free exercise thereof, all of that, free assembly, you know, expression,

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and you just don't hear from them anymore. I mean, that's been abandoned, because a lot of that went

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to the right, or it went to, you know, a minority, and they just don't defend that anymore. It's not,

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it's not in their, it's not, it's certainly not in the dialogue of the main body of our

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legal system, or illegal system, whatever it is now. It's, justice isn't what it's sought. It's

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about winning. Yeah, and it's, and we, again, we just have to, certainly, you mentioned about

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it, right of assembly and all, and January 6th showed us again what, that was no defense.

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They just claimed it was an insurrection, and that was it. And again, going back to the Declaration

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of Independence, they had the right to have an insurrection if they wanted to, because if they,

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that theoretically, because if they agree, there's large numbers of people don't agree with

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that the government suits their interests anymore, and they thought that's the only way they could

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possibly get them to listen. Not, they weren't trying that, we know. In reality, that wasn't,

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they didn't have any, it's kind of hard to do that when you don't bring any weapons to an

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insurrection, and they didn't, you know, and bear macers, maybe something like that, but

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certainly nothing that would work. So, that was not allowed, you know, Alex Jones couldn't claim

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the First Amendment as a defense, and none of the J6ers, they didn't really have any defense. They

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were, they were, might as well have been Lincoln's northern dissenters. They were, you know, held

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without due process, but if they had mounted a defense, they couldn't have said, hey, you know,

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we're there, we're protected under the Constitution. We have a right to free assembly, and

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they did. So, they had a right to assemble. Obviously, if Antifa and BLM had a right to

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assemble, you know, in all the marches they were, lots of violence took place, why didn't they have

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the right? But they, again, they convinced millions of Americans, they're insurrectionists,

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people that I agree with about a lot of stuff, you know, but they can't get past that, you know,

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it's, it's a shame because, but again, it shows where our, the Bill of Rights and certainly the

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Declaration of Independence, I don't know that it's ever worked in a courtroom where you could

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use it as a defense. They say, well, I had the right to do this, I mean, and, you know, again,

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one of the many usurpations was the ruling by Oliver Wendell Holmes when Woodrow Wilson was

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thrown anti-war protesters in prison for World War I, where he said, no, you know, you can't

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yell fire in a crowded theater. So, and again, as I said, apparently nobody was there to point

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out that they're not yelling, they're not yelling fire in a crowded theater, they're protesting a

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war. And yet that's where that expression comes from. There's not one in a hundred million

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Americans that know that, that's where it comes from. And, you know, and if you did tell them,

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the vast majority of the hundred million would just look at you with a blank stare. Do you

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understand how significant that was? He equated protesting a war with yelling fire in a crowded

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theater. And you people let him do it. That's why Jack C. Barrett was blaming the boomers. Yeah,

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the boomers have been pretty bad, but they weren't boomers in a World War I generation.

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They sat there and said, okay, yeah, it's true, you can't yell fire in a crowded theater.

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You know, it's like, I mean, come on, there was anybody there that had a brain? They could

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realize how dangerous that concept was. And of course, that led to that built on what Lincoln

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did. And, you know, in terms of all the precedents he said, and that's why we've had the dangerous

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precedents and judicial review as well, which we say reared its ugly head again. So,

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I mean, I give Trump credit for trying to do something, trying to get rid of birthright

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citizenship. He did what I wanted him to do. He signed an executive order outlawing it.

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And he took it to the Supreme Court, which he supposedly put people in who would be sympathetic

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to him and obviously made the kind of choices he's made everywhere else where he picked,

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other than Gorsuch, the other two are awful, especially Coney Barrett. But

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we saw that it didn't matter. Judicial review. And it's a logical fallacy too. I mean,

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where's the limit? I mean, have they not done the calculations or what could,

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with the potentialities of what's already happened because of the misreading of the

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14th amendment? I mean, it's, it's, or the misunderstanding of that and the practice

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thereof it's, it is absurd. And you could have armies of people, which I'm assuming you have

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of people just, they have especially Chinese citizens just loading up their nine month

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pregnant wife on a plane and put them in on, you know, getting to America for their two week visit

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or whatever, just to have the child and anchor themselves as what you get the term anchor baby.

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And it just seems to be outside of all logic. And that's when you get back to our original

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principles between Don and I, we believe in the conspiracy theory of history. You can't unsee that.

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And so I have to, I have to put it in that category. If it's, if it's that stupid,

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then it's on purpose. You know, if it's, if it's that dumb and removed from all logic,

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then there must be some sort of edict that that has to happen. And, you know, it's as we reach the

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end of the show, I would say America should be much stronger, much more prosperous, much more free

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than it is today. We didn't have to arrive at this juncture where we're just completely so uncertain

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about what our destiny is or what our purpose is and what this country is supposed to be.

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You know, even Reagan said we were a shining city on a hill. Does anybody use that rhetoric

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anymore? Does it, do we say that we're an example or do we act like an example? Do we,

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or are we, you know, we're the policemen of the world. When did that happen? You know,

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when did we, when did we cross that boundary? And I think if you go back and look at,

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and you mentioned World War I and, and you look at the, the consequences of 1913, Don,

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I mean the income tax, the federal reserve, you had the direct election of senators and you

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bypassing, you know, the states being able to do that with the 17th amendment,

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things like free trade that weakened and hollowed out the United States. All this came out in 1913

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and it's taken a while. America was not supposed to be in the position that's in fake money. That's

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another thing that has done serious, serious, not only, it's done spiritual damage to the country.

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And that's where we are, but it doesn't mean, you know, I think at the end of the day, it doesn't

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mean that this experiment's over. I mean, certainly not everything is up and to the

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right. Businesses, people's lives, everything has cycles, but we're definitely in a, in a weird

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cycle today. And before we end, I know that you wanted off air. We talked a little bit about

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Tucker Carlson talking about a third party and maybe just cover just a short little segment here

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on, on third party history. Why has it never worked on? Yeah, it's apparently it's too many

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choices. Americans are only pro-choice with abortion. You know, they don't want more choices.

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I mean, you'd think that it was, and my friend Cindy Sheehan likes to say before we, you know,

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before we have a third party, let's, let's have a second one. And she's got a point. And, but I mean,

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it's just, you know, and will Tucker Carlson be more successful than Ross Perot was? I don't know.

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He doesn't want to run himself, which I find odd because he's really, even if he, if he's not

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legitimate, he's a great actor. He's really good at what he does. He's very articulate. He's a very

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persuasive debater. I agree with 90 some percent of what he says. I mean, maybe he's doing it for

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a reason. Maybe, I don't know, but I'd certainly, I'd fall for it. I'm sure. Okay. I fall for all

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these, you know, pretty faces that come with the third parties, but I, I'd certainly like to see

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it. I don't think it would have much of a chance, but who knows, you know, with the disappointment

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of Trump and the MAGA vote, with all that collapsing, I think that there should be a lot

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of people out there that are receptive to it. And especially with a guy like him, he can sell it much

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better than, than Trump could, even though Trump, you know, had his little pitches and everything,

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but Tucker is very articulate. He's very good. And he would be a great candidate. You mentioned

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about people being able to read and all that stuff. Tucker could do it. I don't know what

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candidates they might nominate, but we know that a lot of these candidates aren't that great.

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And even the ones we like, and they're not necessarily the most of it, but I wish him well.

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I don't, I don't, you know, as you said, the history of third party candidacies is

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the Reform Party didn't last very long. And that's the last one that made any substantial

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headway. The Libertarians never get anything. The Green Party never gets anything.

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Constitution Party, they used to have, it got even less than that, but we'll see. I don't know.

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Of course, they have to ensure they're counting their votes too.

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And the first third party in the United States was the anti-Masonic party.

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And then you had people like Joseph Smith ran for president. So I guess you could consider

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that a party. And there was a strong showing of the populist party in the end of the 19th century,

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which was kind of done away with through the Spanish American war, oddly enough, and I'm sure

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on purpose, but there was a, I mean, they, I think they even captured congressional seats,

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something that, that the Libertarian party has never done. And it's sad to watch the Libertarian

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party work for decades to get ballot access and you just never hear from them. I asked that on

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my show the other day, where are the Libertarians? And I'm like, what happened to the Libertarian

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party? It's really sad. I mean, all that ballot access, which is very hard to get. That's the

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one thing, you know, and Ross Perot was so right. I mean, on so many levels, like just his candidacy

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and I don't know exactly why it was shut down, but, and what happened in 1992, I'm sure it had

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something to do with George Poppy Bush, you know, and the CIA ties and everything else. I know,

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you know that history very well, but I think it's time. The third party candidacy needs to happen,

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whether it's, you know, a rebranding of the Libertarian party with their ballot access or

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something. It needs to be able to capture congressional seats too. I mean, Jesse Ventura

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did this one time, you know, as governor. He's the only reform party candidate to win. Yep. Yep.

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One time in a major office. It can happen, but you have to have, there has, it probably would

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take decades of ballot access, of election reform. I mean, all these mail-in ballots done,

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like, I don't know what, we've lost so much of, since Andrew Jackson, you know, the seventh

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president, he was the first president to go to a popular vote and it wasn't Congress

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electing the presidency, but I think it needs to be third party all the way in some capacity

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moving forward, even to give yourself a vote or a voice, even if you don't win. I think that's

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the only way forward. It's the only hope that, and even Bill Cooper tried this, you know,

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back in the nineties and it was a flop, you know, with the constitution party. And that was another

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thing that should have taken off, but it didn't. So we'll see. Yeah, let's hope. Well, Donald

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Jeffries, donaldjeffries.media is your website. On this 4th of July, folks, it might be a good

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time to, if you got, if you're going to pass out gifts, you could go to Amazon to say, I bought you

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a copy of Hidden History. It's a great gift for the 4th of July and offer the gift of knowledge.

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Don't let your loved ones go a day more without knowing the true history of the United States.

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And you can find a lot of that history, a great bulk of it that you didn't know through Donald

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Jeffries' work. So anything else on your Substack? You want to? Yeah, donaldjeffries.substack.com. I

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protest just like my podcast. And I'm back on Twitter, I'm on X at Don Jeffries, so people

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can follow me there. So, and I hope everybody has a, despite it all, I hope everybody has a great

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4th and you know, everybody eat a lot of hamburgers and hot dogs and you know, read the

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Declaration of Independence and think about what could still be possibly. I like that idea.

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Thinking about what could be and you know what? You just never know, folks. You never know what

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could be. Let me see. Let me put this, you know, they changed StreamYard, Don. I don't know if you

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01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:41,679
noticed this, but it's bizarre. Like I'm having a hard time, like where I can put both you and I on

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01:03:41,679 --> 01:03:47,439
the screen. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It used to always be, yeah, it doesn't, it's not default now.

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Well, let's put Don's beautiful face on the screen as I end out the show. I want to make

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sure I play us out, but AmericaUnplugged.com, ladies and gentlemen, I don't think that we have

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any five-star reviews, but if you want to join the conversation, anything you want to say will

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be read on air. If you give us a five-star review where podcasts are found and of course, Tony.gold

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01:04:10,879 --> 01:04:16,800
is my website. You want to find my shows or how to contact me or how to turn your fiat currency

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into actual money, we do that at Wise Wolf and Wolfpack Gold. So it helps support the show so I

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can take a Saturday off and come talk to the legend, Don Jeffrey. So in the meantime, have a

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great fourth, take care of each other. Let me put up this last little bit of America Unplugged

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paraphernalia and propaganda. I love the barbed wire flag, by the way. Thanks for Billy for putting

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that up. And yeah, Billy, feel better. I know that reflecting pool of water, it's toxic for

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everybody, buddy. So feel better. You guys take care of each other. Burn the place all the way

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to the ground. We'll rebuild it better than ever by next week. Take care.