#230 America Unplugged -MAGA's Mirror: Cults, Compromise, and the Death of the Opposition

0:00 Author of Hidden History and Survival of the Richest. Host of the Donald Jeffries Show. Billy Ray Valentine. Host of the Infinite Fringe Podcast. Researcher. Truth Seeker. From the Bronx, New York. Tony Arterburn. Radio Host. Combat Veteran. Precious Metals Analyst. And Alt Historian. Together, they take on the headlines of the week. Decode the disinformation and plow through the mainstream propaganda. Unauthorized. Unscripted. And unintimidated. This is America Unplugged.

0:45 Well, it is America Unplugged. Changing the volume of the intro, as I do for Billy, who's not here. He was hanging a picture in his bathroom. He slipped, hit his head on the toilet, and when he awoke, he was able to draw the schematics for the flux capacitors. He's not gone back in time to stop MAGA from ever happening. We wish Billy well. See him on the other side of our changed reality. I'm here with one of the usual suspects, which is the legendary Donald Jeffries, author of Hidden History, Crimes and Cover-Ups, Survival of the Richest, which, by the way, Don, Survival of the Richest, becoming more true every day as we accelerate towards 2030.

1:28 So, congratulations on that, Mitt. That aged very well, sir. Welcome back to your own show. Yeah, oh, thanks. Sorry, Mitt. Sorry I missed it last week. I understand Ashley's filled in well there, too. So, yeah, no, it's great to be here. And, yeah, it's nice to, if just more people would buy and read them. But, yeah, I'm proud of it. Definitely proud of that book. Many people don't know. We've mentioned it, but Don's books are on the bookstore for Tucker Carlson. So, if anybody knows Tucker, we got to get Don on with Tucker. Anybody has any contacts, let us know. Don needs to be on the Tucker Carlson show. Also joining us today, in place of time traveling Billy Ray Valentine, is Ashley, the Think, Change, Repeat over on X, Nights of the Storm.

2:15 Researcher was here last week. We got so many emails, Ashley, saying, bring her back. He made the show and one of you guys needs to get off. So, we're just making turns, rotating Ashley back in. Welcome back to America Unplugged, Ashley. Thank you very much. As usual, very much an honor to be here. And also before Billy ended up time traveling, he did want me to express to the people that he blames President Trump for cursing the Knicks this week. So, he's going to try to change that if possible, cause a traffic jam, anything to prevent that, so that technically the Knicks would win in four.

2:56 But Billy, when you're back there, tell 2010, Tony, buy Bitcoin, more of it. I can't wait until 2016. Yeah, exactly. Just hand me a piece of paper that says, buy it. Thank you, Billy. All right, well, Don, we talked off air. And some of this stuff, we may have some regurgitation from last week or a little bit of revisits. But what are you thinking? What's the headlines that you want to cover from the dystopia this week? Well, again, I just think that, and I was telling you, I was watching those walk away debates between insurance and people on one side, the people that are still loyal to America first, Trump's original rhetoric, and the people that are still supporting it, which is definitely, they have Jim Jones, the Moonies have nothing on these people.

3:44 It's an absolute cult. And you saw them listening to him, and they just were, again, just regurgitating all the stuff he's done, the great stuff. Like Alex Jones, you say, what about all the great stuff? He said, well, give us an example of something great he did. I don't know what that would be. But it's frightening to see what that has become, because we all had such hope for it. Owen Schwerer, he brings up Doge like I do. That was something, the first three months or so last year, or whatever it was, of the second administration, we're just full of hope. RFK, maybe, with making America healthy. Nobody even talks about Maha anymore. Tulsi Gabbard's gone.

4:25 He's not really, and to be replaced, apparently, by a real Epstein crony. If Peter Sikash hops in here, maybe he can give us more details on that. He wrote me something about it, but he's done research on him. Like all of Trump's picks, other than those few, have been awful. To see the way things deteriorated, and to see that side, the people that call themselves MAGA, and they were saying, litanies, you were never MAGA. We were never that kind of MAGA, no. But supporting, and now they're getting to the point where they're not, they refuse to call the Iran thing a war. They're saying it's not a war, and they're justifying it. We said no to wars.

5:05 This isn't a war. You have to listen to them, the genuflecting they go through, the gymnastics, the mental gymnastics, to try to justify it. That's where we are. I don't know who, again, I'm writing about these data centers, and I'm just trying to figure out, other than the people in there, who's trying to stop them. But again, we're just, we're rudderless. Trump was given as the opposition leader. Now he's proven to be a total fraud to everybody, except for his cult. And so people, unfortunately, need leaders. And I had Dr. Shiva on my show last week, and he didn't like hearing that. He kept saying, yeah, I like grassroots movements too.

5:46 But people are followers. You have to have someone in charge. When they killed Huey Long, the Share of the Wealth movement died. I mean, it was still there, but it had no more power. Martin Luther King, when he was killed, the Civil Rights movement died. It couldn't continue with the Jesse Jackson nonsense. You need a real leader. And whatever Trump is, he's the leader of this. And there's nobody else. That's a Machiavellian tactic, is strike the shepherd and the sheep will scatter. And you read about, if you read any sort of Machiavellian philosophy, and neocons and power structure, they always use that. I mean, it's soulless, and it does bring about results, but there's no substance in it.

6:29 They just continue to do that. They'll strike the shepherd, any type of real movement. You can tell what is grassroots, and people are followers. It's interesting. We'll go back to the Owen Schroer debates, and Owen's a friend of mine, and I've seen his progression throughout the years. By the way, mine too. I'm not static. I don't have the same ideas that I did five, 10 years ago. And I've been in broadcasting for over 13 years. I started out in radio. And one thing that I've learned is that I've chosen over the years, even though I have the ability to, I could have had a much larger audience. I don't care that I didn't do that. It's not like I'm missing out on anything.

7:10 Maybe there's an explanation in some of this with the people that are still MAGA, or people that still are backing this regime, or this idea, or lack of ideas. Do you think it's money, Don? I mean, at the end of the day, it can't be just because they're getting source money. It has to be from people. You and I both know, Don, if we had a stupider idea, if we dumbed down a bit, and we started talking about, if we didn't bring our best analysis, and maybe just stuck on a certain subject matter, we could 100x our audience, which again, is money. I mean, anytime you amplify who listens to you, that's donations, that's products, that's all sorts of things.

7:52 Are these people, these remnants, are they just holding on because they're still... I mean, you can go on X, or you can go anywhere online. You can still find the people, especially a certain demographic. I know that Owen debated the boomers and stuff first, and some of the Israeli firsters. It really is disturbing listening to some of their ideas, because they're just regurgitations of propaganda, like from Fox News, or people like Sean Hannity. So that's kind of easy, but you're mentioning he's debating people that are still like... They're influencers that are closer to my age, that are leading people.

8:34 It has to be... They have to know at a certain level that they're on the wrong side of history, but are they just sticking to it because there's an audience there? Well, I think that more than money, people... I said they're followers, but they're also bandwagon fans. You'll see that in New York right now with all the Knicks fans. Taylor Swift suddenly is a Knicks fan, I guess. I knew that. I thought she was for the Chiefs, and I'm sure she's for any Los Angeles team, since that's where she lives. But that's the way people are. They want to be... They invest, whether it's... And it's the same thing holds for politics, too. If Trump wins, that's all that counts, whether it's fraudulent or not. And those people, yeah, that's, what have you won?

9:16 And that's not a losing thing. There's a huge part of that. He can't win. Somebody who's really talking about real issues, well, he can't win. He can't. Well, Trump can win, or this guy can win by being more pragmatic. So I think there's a lot of that. And some of them obviously are making... They're drifting in various ways. It pays to not be too controversial, and certainly to go against Israel. You can see. I look on X, and it's amazing to see how many people... James Woods, that actor everybody credits for being one of the right winners. He just shills for Israel. And I tweet to these guys. None of them are going to recognize me.

9:56 I'm an insignificant fly to these people. But I just said, do you need money that bad, really? You really need money this badly to be shilling for... You're talking about some... I don't know how many Holocaust museums there are. Apparently, they're everywhere now. Because he was talking about the newest Holocaust museum somewhere. It's like, what? And he's just virtue signaling. And he's supposed to be a right winger. So I don't know. That's kind of all over the place. But I think people are not only followers, but they're bandwagon fans, whether it's sports or politics. People like to back a winner. They don't care that much about principle. That's what you used to see at all the conventions. The Republicans, all the drunk people would get together, and they'd be...

10:38 All the stupid hats they'd have on, and they'd be waving the signs, and hugging and kissing each other. And that's what they like. The fact that their candidate is winning, so they're winning. It doesn't matter what they're winning. And same thing with sports. I mean, Jerry Seinfeld, all these people coming out of the woodworks, to be at Knicks fans. Just like you see Jack Nicholson back in the day with the Lakers and everything. They want to be associated with winners. You're not going to see these guys show up at a last place team thing ever. And that's the way it is with politics as well. Trump's a winner. So now the Thomas Massey types are losers. Can he win? And that's all that counts.

11:18 Doesn't matter what you win, is winning. That's true. And you look at the 1980s, Don, and you've written a lot about the Reagan administration. There was a similar cult around Reagan. Not nearly like you see with Trump. I mean, it's not even remotely the same thing. But in the days of the Cold War, towards the end of the 80s, when Reagan was doing peace deals with Gorbachev, right before the collapse of the Soviet Union, he'd bring Gorbachev over to the White House, and they'd have like a summit or something. And a lot of the hardliners would turn their back, literally like in the room, would turn their back as the president would come in with Gorbachev, like turning their back on him because he's making peace.

12:00 Which is kind of the opposite of today, you know, like the president's making war, and then you have his supporters saying it's not a war. So like we've reached another level of disassociation with reality. I'm not, nothing like this has actually ever happened this way before in our political spectrum. And you're right, people do back a winner. Ashley, what do you think, my synopsis in all of this is that like the people that are hanging on are doing so for short-term self-interest. They have to be aware. And do you think they are aware? I mean, of just how wrong all of this is, like the letdown, the betrayal of MAGA to its base?

12:45 I think that's a really good question. I would say no. And I think that it all centers around topics that you have, you and Don have already touched on, the irrationality of crowds. And we know, you quoted Machiavelli and his book, The Prince came out in the 1500s. So one thing is that crowd management or manipulation on some sort of like sociological or scientific behavioral level has been out for a very long time. It's a tale as old as time. And that is something that the people who consider themselves our betters, this aristocracy or like Edward Bernays and people that came from that type of stock, they did think that they were better than the regular people.

13:33 And they have been studying manipulation for a very long time in many different iterations. But every generation after learns from everything that was presented before, from Machiavelli all the way till now, with a huge amount of data mining that they have access to. And so I do think that there is an awareness of that, whether even if we don't wanna get into, say like some of the higher level think tanks like the globalist crowd, we must know that there is PR and propaganda involved in the messaging and that that is very powerful. Now, the people that are still, that I know that still support Trump, I don't push them on it too much, but one of my really good friends, I consider them Zionist.

14:22 And when I was talking about it, I said, I'm an anarchist. Neither of these parties are helpful to us at all. And they were like, well, at least they're somewhat pro-life. That was literally what she said to me. Now they're involved in the, I guess I would say more fundamentalist Christian movement and huge supporters of Israel. But I thought to myself, you're a smart person. How could it not occur to you that neither side is pro-life? You can be pro-life from the anti-abortion movement, but do you not see that children are suffering?

15:03 They're starving. They're getting shot. They're getting abused. They're getting bombed. And this is not just in Gaza. Of course, that is our shining example right now, but we also have that taking place in Lebanon. And some people are discussing that, but a lot of times they're not discussing that Jews and Christians are also being killed in Lebanon. Lebanon was in the seventies, I think a 50% Christian country. The president's Christian now. Yeah, 30% now to this day. And I spoke with one of my friends on my show who was from Lebanon and he was raised as a Catholic and he said that they really didn't experience very much discrimination at all for these religious differences there.

15:46 But the point of all that is just to say that they don't care. So I think it's a couple of things. It is a rationality. It is feeling like being married to a narrative associated with that figure. For example, a lot of people that are maybe like my dad's age that are Trumpers are, even though I think I can have a somewhat reasonable conversation with him, he still has this old mentality of Iran is the bad guy. That is a decades old narrative. So sometimes I don't think people are even aware of the amount of time that they're exposed to a narrative and just sitting down asking themselves, why do I believe that?

16:26 So I think it's really complicated from a human perspective as far as who's in. I think that there is the element of we want a winner. I think there's an element of, I have invested so much time and energy into this ideology that it would be literally like psychically, mentally painful for me to break away from that. And just, so it's almost like what it reminds me of is in the five stages of grief or in addiction treatment that you, the first step is admitting you have a problem. It's overcoming denial. And the denial is so strong with so many people.

17:11 And I don't really know that it could be shaken at this point because like what you were talking about earlier, we are really at a peak. It feels revelatory. It feels peak insanity in all of history. So, and the other thing is that one of the things that I say is they keep the tax cattle busy. When people are busy grinding, increasingly having their dollar devalued and paying more at the pump and they have kids and sports and homes and all of these things and trying to have like a little piece of Americana still left for themselves. I think that it's really difficult for them to actually even have time to address some of these greater philosophical, moral questions.

17:58 And we also don't live in a society that encourages like high culture. Like let's read the great works. Let's study Machiavelli. Let's study, so there's so many factors that have gone into getting us where we're at now that it is a giant mess. Yeah, there's a connectivity to it. I mean, I was talking to my grandmother who's 91 and super sharp, like a beautiful woman still. I mean, just an amazing person. We've had many conversations over the years, but I just happened to see her on Thursday night. And she asked me about Israel and because she was raised in East Texas, Northeast Texas, and this was evangelical land and everything.

18:43 It's just her whole upbringing. But one of the things that, she was asking me more and more questions and I was explaining to her the hidden history behind the Balfour Declaration and the genesis of the modern state of Israel, not the Israelites, like the two different things and even like the origin of the Khazars and all of that stuff. And she was taking it in. And I said, look, I understand, reflect, she's not gonna push back like in an emotional way. She's just retaining it. And then she agreed with me. She's like, well, Netanyahu is evil. She's watching Fox News. And even she was like, he's evil. And she got that, right? So it's not impossible to reach people at all.

19:24 And actually she wanted me to come back over, I'm going too soon and just do a more thorough breakdown of all of this history. And that needs to happen. These conversations need to happen. And I'm wondering, as we discuss this and even talking about the influencers who are still so pro-MAGA, is that just design that's strained through all of that? Is that easy to explain away? Like there's money there, or I'm not talking about the followers necessarily, but the influencers themselves, the people that Shroyer was debating. There has to be a common thread among them of their support for Israel and what's going on in Gaza, what's going on with the Iran war.

20:05 And could I just ask a question of what do both of you think about this? Because this is something that I often think about in regards to that as well. So we obviously know about the Mockingbird media, right? And this is something that I've been looking into with one of my friends. So we're looking at the origins of modern day propaganda. So we know that they had the four minute men and the junior four minute men and the colored four minute men. And these were, and I'm not being offensive, that is what they were called at that time. So just wanted to clear that up. But these are people that were trained and chosen for their oratory skills.

20:46 And then they would go give impassioned four minute speeches in their communities. And they were drumming up support for World War I because it was not a popular idea. So that I think gives credence to the early days of the influencer. So what does that look like in today's day and time? Maybe we don't have documentation on that, that we know of, but we do know about the four minute men. We do know about Bernays. We do know about the Mockingbird Media. So who is being influenced from that perspective, from perhaps intelligentsia, one of the many intelligence groups out there or whatever. And we don't, and I'm not saying we know, but I'm saying this is something that I think about is if someone is being influenced in that way, and then that allows them to continue to speak the same rhetoric, like a Sean Hannity, for example, wearing his CIA pin.

21:43 So I always wonder about that in regards to who we're seeing today. And I think it's really difficult because there is so much information out there. And there's so many people that are talking about this and their levels to the popularity of certain podcasters or whoever's being an influencer in this space. So that's one of the things I don't know, but I always wonder if that's also part of why they continue to be unmoving on very, very stupid ideas. Yeah, I knew early on when I started broadcasting that looking at the lay of the land, I said, I'm not gonna be that popular, but I will be on the right side of history eventually.

22:24 This is a long-term investment. So it's funny, people that have accused me of being like controlled op or shill or something, I'm like, I've lost thousands and thousands of listeners over the years. People just turn me off. I mean, you should have seen in 2020, like the loss of downloads that I had and never recovered, by the way, because I was talking about the election not going in a way they thought was supposed to happen. I didn't get behind that. I didn't shill that either. It's funny, just being authentic is to the best of my ability. It's not profitable, but that's where I wanna be because I think on a long enough timeline, you end up looking ridiculous. Don, have you ever heard that? That's the prayer of the philosopher Voltaire.

23:07 He just said, oh God, please one time make my enemies look ridiculous. And so that's how I feel about my opposition. Don, any last thoughts on this? Yeah, I mean, well, I assume it's a good point that you go back to the World War I days and you could even go back to the beginning of the Republic. I wrote about, I think, an American memory hole where there are indications, or at least he was accused of it, that Alexander Hamilton, who I'm not a fan of and he's the only founding father that they became a black Broadway star. So you know they like him. He's the banker's favorite father of debt. But apparently he was a troll back in the days. They didn't have the internet and he apparently adopted a persona to go online to put out these establishment talking points.

23:52 At least that's what he's accused of. So I think we have had this since the beginning. Now with the internet, we have real influence and they call themselves influencers. You can see that they are, for the most part, I mean, I don't know any, we all get, some of us get called it too. First of all, you need to have some influence, I think, to be accused of profiting from it. But these people that you can see, they're installed. You know, it's what Jason Whitlock or Kat Williams, the comedian, called, I think, the perfect way to describe it. They're installed. And I would say, Tony, that walkaway debate, I mean, the guy seems nice enough, but I would say that guy was installed.

24:32 That has the walkaway thing. He has no personality. He's very soft-spoken and boring, but he's in a position where he's hosting these big debates and he's got something behind it. I look at that as being installed. You know, when somebody comes up and, you know, I don't want to mention names, but you see, they come out of nowhere and they suddenly have all these followers and everything. And you and I know, we all know, how hard it is to get followers, how hard it is to get subscribers, how hard it is to click somebody to like something. It's not easy. So for these people to show up and have them, and nobody's heard of half of them, and I'll look and they'll say, now they have a million followers. How's that possible? And so those are influencers.

25:14 And I think that there's somebody's installing them and maybe some of them are organic. I don't know. Tucker Carlson's been around a long time. Of course, he gets accused of other things, but I don't think he was installed or if he was installed, it was a long time ago. It's nothing new to be installed. But in terms of, and Alex Jones, again, he certainly may have been installed, but you can see why Alex Jones had high ratings. He was really entertaining. He was different. But most of these people are not entertaining. And we're all saying kind of the same stuff, but the breakdown is showed on that walkaway debate. The breakdown is Zionism. That's the issue. That's the issue that's making people defend Trump.

25:56 For the most part. I mean, of course, he's not doing anything else. He said either, but that's the issue that revolves around it. And Jackson T. Barrett is, excuse me, I don't know what I'm supposed to read your chat while the others are talking. Stanley Meyer, read my book, Hidden History. Stanley Meyer, the guy that invented the car that ran on water, I have his whole story in there. So I'll just let you know. I know about these things. Jackson T. Barrett, he still doesn't have a profile picture. I think we're going to take a vote after the show. We're going to decide what your profile picture is going to be. So Jackson. And I tell him he wants to talk. We don't do it on this show. Every one of my shows now that people can come on and be on video or audio and be part of the show. I'd love to hear what you had to say because you say a lot of different things.

26:38 Come on and jump in and tell me where you think I'm wrong or whatever you agreed. But I don't know. I don't see you. I just see you in this chat. I don't see you in that, or at least I haven't in a while. Jackson, you have to host. You have to read the comments and listen to the guests at the same time. It's so easy, by the way. No, it is. Ozar Busy. Good to see you from across the pond, my friend. It is 1230 p.m. here in the United States on the East Coast. We tell each other what time it is. Yeah. Last word on that. I think at the end of the day, the audience drives content a lot. It's the opposite of what you think. And I've learned this and this is my assessment of broadcasting is that, you know, once, you know, especially if you look at like Alex Jones, I mean, I think he's rid of the tea leaves as well.

27:25 And like the support dissipates and your audience is ready for new content. For a while, if you cross that Rubicon, you cross that bridge, especially 2015, 2016, that is the Trump era. And I decided not to take that ride. I didn't want that ride. And so I'm glad I didn't because I didn't have to have a massive audience then lose it because my analysis was against whatever the herd wanted. So I'm glad I don't have that. Probably feels like being held hostage, you know, at some level, because you're going to lose your business. If you've got this audience, it's way behind Trump and then nothing you say or do, even if you're telling the truth. I mean, what was it? What's that Mark Twain quote about?

28:06 It's easier to fool people than to convince people they've been fooled. Yeah, yeah. You know, so there's something about that. So what else is on the agenda, Don? You had a couple other things. Well, you know, again, I think that Ashley was talking a little bit about Iran and that's kind of dragging out. Again, that's the center of this debate, too, because I think most people were pushed away from Trump, the combination of the Epstein files and the Iran war. And you can see, and again, I'm watching that. I hate to keep bringing up that walk away debate, but it shows what the mindset of these people are now. They've gradually come around to Trump's way of thinking on Epstein.

28:47 They now believe Epstein killed himself. I mean, when Epstein didn't kill himself, no one believed it. I mean, other than the authorities that claimed he did it, literally, probably 99% of the population thought he did it. Now, the MAGA people say he killed himself. It's amazing to watch it. They're all like Dan Giongino. So I was listening to him saying, well, you know what? Where did this come all because their cult leader said that? So that's, and then as we talked about, and Peter C. Kosh isn't in the chat, I don't think, but this guy, he's going to install his head of DNI, which was Tulsi Gabbard's old position. What a change. Yeah, what's his name? His name is Pulte after the Pulte Homes.

29:28 Oh, Pulte Homes. Okay. Oh, sure. Crappy, crappy homes. And now in charge of the homeland. But apparently he's got these connections to Epstein all over the place. And it's fitting because he doesn't want anybody talking about this. And so this has become, things have completely transformed. So I don't even know what the opposition is, because most of the opposition to that is, are these people on the left who are largely insane and hate white people. And, but, you know, I have to agree with them on Israel. I agree with them on the Epstein files. I don't know why they feel the way they do, because they had no concern over the Epstein files for a long time. Virginia Jafri, you know, I think was murdered, but it wasn't until after she died, they made a kind of a murder out of it, but they wanted nothing to do with her when she was alive.

30:16 They thought she, you know, but once she's dead, now they kind of use her. But so it's just, with this guy installed as director of DNI, obviously whatever little chance we had to find out anything further. And people can read on my, on my sub stack. I think I'm, and of course, Peter Seekosh helped greatly with a lot of research there, and he's got a lot more. But I have three, I think Epstein files, three parts I have so far. And that's just what we've seen. You know, we don't, there's so much more there, millions and millions of pages. But, you know, for people to say there's nothing there. And these, these MAGA people, these new MAGA people were saying there's nothing there. And so they were making fun of the grape soda and beef jerky and stuff. Just read that. And again, you have any critical thinking at all.

31:00 These are, these are powerful people. They're not talking about grape soda a lot, because they like grape soda. That's ridiculous. You know, they're not talking about jerking. Who eats jerky? Maybe homeless people, maybe, because it's cheap. I mean, nobody, and they talked about a chef that was a friend of theirs that was, was, worked at a restaurant called The Cannibal. Nice name for a restaurant, huh? And this cannibal, and they talked about Epstein having jerky stored in his freezer. What? You know what? At one point, the jerk, I'm going to walk the jerky over. Totally, they talked about, these, this is so obviously language that's not coded very well.

31:45 And it doesn't, you know, same thing with pizza and pasta, going back to, you know, the Podesta emails. We're going to have pizza for about a half an hour. You know, there's a, I found a pizza related map. What? You know, what are these, these things, what are these things talking about? So it's just a shame that we don't have, if we just had a free press, so we had, instead of us talking about it, we had 60 minutes or, you know, nothing will happen with Barry Weiss there, but, you know, something like that where people would, they would expose these things. But I don't know, it's, it's very, it's disillusioning. I don't know, like Ashley said, being an anarchist, I haven't officially claimed I'm an anarchist, but I don't know why I wouldn't be at this point because there's, there's no authorities.

32:28 There's no, what authority is there worth respecting? But that's, it's such a shame because it's hard to have a civilization if you don't, if everyone doesn't respect at least some authority, but we have no authority to respect the police, the schools, government leaders from, from the school boards on up. I mean, there's absolutely nothing to, so I don't know what the answer is, you know, but all we can do, I guess, is, is expose it as best we can. Again, I'm kind of all over the place because you asked me what else there was, but I kind of expounded on it. There's a good point about Tulsi Gabbard and being replaced by Pulte. You know, Tulsi's a Iraq war veteran and look how a lot of people, I'm not a huge fan of hers.

33:11 I'm not running, I'm not on the Tulsi for president bandwagon or something. I'm not an occult of Tulsi, but I always thought she had interesting things to say and she was skeptical of foreign wars and especially even some of the more cataclysmic policy decisions on Russia and Syria. She was out early on that kind of stuff and really just smart analysis on what was happening with Syria. So I gave her a lot of credibility and then she gets to that position of DNI and one of the things that happens, we barely mentioned it on the show, but her office was raided by the CIA. And it's funny because John Ratcliffe was the head of the DNI, the director of national intelligence, and I've debated John Ratcliffe before when he was running for Congress.

33:54 He didn't like me very much and now he's head of the CIA. And he went over to that office he once ran and took like 40 boxes of material that Tulsi had sourced on trying to do disclosure on UFOs, MKUltra, JFK assassination. This is all documented fact. I mean, her office that was, lack of a better term, raided by the CIA. So that's not, I mean, Pulte's part of the power structure and that's what's so sad. That's why, you know, confidence in our institutions and part of this fourth turning, part of this cyclical part of history is that that's all diminishing and we're watching it in real time collapse in and on itself.

34:35 And you're right, I mean, it's two wings of the same bird. You're talking about the Democrats or the Republicans, you know, the same kind of, it's the same connections to Epstein. It's the same connections to the military industrial complex or the surveillance state. Totally anti-First Amendment, all about consolidation of power and information and narrative control. And, you know, and I think if demographics hold up and elections are somewhat real, then this will be the last Republican administration probably ever. And honestly, the Republicans don't like being in power. And a lot of people push back on this with me. They don't like power. What they like is they like making sure that your outrage is inert, making sure that none of your pushback goes anywhere and they love to raise money and run on the same damn things every four years or two years.

35:25 They run on the same. They run on the same stuff they did when I was a kid. Like in my, before I was a teenager, that's the same talking points. They are literally an operation. I mean, I think the Republican party has done more damage than the communist party in the United States. Because at the end of the day, nothing happens. And if you vote for a Republican to end a war, you get more war. You vote them to lower regulation, you get more regulation. The Republicans are only there to conserve what the progressives and the communists and the Marxists create. They don't do anything. And it's sad because Texas, we missed the boat on a lot of stuff.

36:06 We had the same leadership over and over again. And every four years, somebody runs on border safety, right? You're in control. Like, I don't know why, you know, it's like, and it's the same thing with the presidency. I mean, back in, what was it, 2007, George W. Bush, you know, they were having so much groundswell. This is back, this is a different demographic America. There's a little history lessons, ladies and gentlemen. You know, there was a push and it showed up in Texas at Baylor University, I believe, but Condoleezza Rice talked about it. And it was the North American union. That was a stated goal of the power structure was to unite Mexico and Canada and link it through the trans-Texas corridor.

36:48 And they had billboards up here in Texas, you know, pushing that, like there was a lot of stuff on the ballots for pushing the trans-Texas corridor. And it ultimately didn't happen because we still had enough people in the state here and in the country that were, now sadly, a lot of them have passed away by now, but they pushed back on it. So at the same time they pushed back on that, then there was legislation to build a border fence. If you remember that, that was 2007, never happened. And even Democrats, you know, even Hillary Clinton voted for it. Like back in the city, we're in a totally different America. They had to bow somewhat to demographics, but those demographics are gone or waning, you know?

37:31 So it's like the demographic of my grandmother is 91. Like that's the silent generation of Americans that grew up during the depression. They pushed back on the North American Union, the Euro, the Trans-Pacific Partnership. They pushed back on the trans-Texas corridor, all of that. But that's no longer there. You still get, you know, people that want sovereignty and all that, and they'll donate, but it's not the resistance that it once was. And I think that's the service that the Republican Party does for whatever the handlers of America is, that they just make sure that they absorb it. And then I call them hospice care conservatives, because they want to make sure you're comfortable as your country dies.

38:14 Controversial? Yeah. Is that my too hard on the Republicans? No, I think certainly with the Republicans, you know, I call them the stupid party. I think, was it Joe Soberan who made that up? But somebody called them the stupid party. And it was, was it John Stuart Mill? I think that was, wasn't that who said that there's two parties? It was talking about England. There was two parties. There was the dangerous party and the stupid party. Yeah, yeah. It's not much of a stupid party. Yeah, we pretty much say evil and stupid, but they're other, they're blends ever. So there's, there's a lot of evil in the stupid and a lot of stupid in the evil too. But yeah, that's, that's the, and you can see, you're right. Nothing ever happens.

38:54 And the, Jack Stevier talks about the uniparty. Yeah, we're all talking about that. And, and when those people that are still supporting MAGA, they, we, again, every election is the most important election of our lifetimes. You know, we have to get to midterms. And, and, and nobody says, well, what, what do you, Trump has both houses of Congress now. He had it for the first two years. He has the Supreme court that supposedly, you know, he installed, he has a majority there. He's got everything. And nothing is getting it done. It's that bad stuff because he didn't want any of that stuff then. Because he knows the Republic cucks, the Lindsey Grahams, who just, you know, just to the, if they're really counting the vote in South Carolina, that's, that's, that's really sad that if they are really voting legitimately for that guy to keep continue.

39:42 I mean, how much walking around Disneyland with a little fairy wand or something by himself, just what does he have to do? I mean, how ridiculous does that guy have to be? But telling people, he's, I'm going to go back to South Carolina and tell him, we're going to send your boys to Iran. It can't wait to vote him in, but he just got voted back. Massey didn't, but he did. So, but yeah, so this, we look at it's, it's what's, what's going to be different if the Democrats take control, maybe they'll impeach Trump again. I don't know, but it's, it's, it's so stupid because nothing ever, the only things that get done are bad things. He said, I've been following politics all my life.

40:23 And the only halfway decent piece of legislation I've ever seen was the freedom of information act in the seventies. And even that it's crippled and they don't, they don't pay attention to it half the time. One piece of legislation in my entire life that I think benefited, nothing good, nothing good. Mostly nothing happens because usually no legislation or just something to further and increase the profits that people already have too much. But nothing, you know, when Trump made all those promises, he got people excited and he's delivered on nothing. Just this year, since last year, $5,000 doge checks, the tariff rebate checks. I don't know how much they were supposed to be.

41:03 And now he says, when did I say that? And his people look at him saying, and say, oh, he didn't say that. He didn't say that. The emperor's wearing no clothes. Yeah. The gas, the gas lighter and the gas lit get together to read, to read paper over the past. I love that. That's that's, that's peak mental illness in America. Yeah, that is. Go ahead. Ashley, you had the chance to talk. Well, I just wanted to say that one of the things that I have wondered about this entire time is, was there a goal to completely disseminate and destroy what was the Republican party? And not that even, not that I even agree with, you know, the old school stuff, like some of it, I, I did agree with, but basically because I do feel like it's two wings of the same bird.

41:53 I don't subscribe to that, but if you had truly a principled Republican party at one time, which I don't know that we did, but maybe it was a little bit more than we have now. But if you look at the evolution of that, that party has been splintered. And I have wondered if that was from some sort of a management perspective. This is just my speculation, but the party is shattered. You used to have some people that were in agreement about some things, but then with the introduction of Trump, especially you had never Trumpers. You had MAGA, you then had former MAGA. You have whatever would be people that are maybe semi traditionally conservative, whatever that looks like.

42:39 And then of course you had a huge opposition on the left to president Trump, especially in God talks about this in his first, they were trying to impeach him every day, coming and going every single day. And now that rhetoric has really tamped down because a lot of them are also Zionists on the left. And there's some division that has happened on the left over the issue of Zionism. But the Republican party is really completely neutered or dispersed or shattered compared to what it used to be. And I have wondered if that is, I don't know, maybe it's just the nature of the beast as we are continuing in these insane times.

43:23 But if there was a purpose to that and another piece of rhetoric that I've been hearing, and this was a clip from Tucker Carlson this week, and they're talking about the failure of America. So Tony, you had brought up this idea, I've called it like the North American technate. And I wonder if these things are playing together. If this is, so it's just like with Hillary's healthcare idea for whatever her healthcare program was called. It did not pass at that time, but then it did pass under Obamacare. So then we're introducing these ideas into the ether because we are moving that Overton window.

44:04 We're doing some predictive programming, whatever that looks like. And we have so many moving pieces here. But I think it feels very clear to many of us that what we do have is a removal of America from the number one platform, right? It is being made very clear to us in a lot of ways that America is no longer the superpower. We heard that in rhetoric with the Iran conflict, they don't dare call it a war. And people use the term, I heard this several times. And that's one of the things when I'm trying to listen throughout the week about what's going on is any new like catchphrases. So one of them was that we created a new superpower with Iran, right?

44:49 Which of course they are an important part of BRICS. And it is well established out there that they have a good relationship with Russia and China. But all that to say, when I heard that clip from Tucker, that basically the United States is clear that the United States is not the world superpower anymore. So I'm just wondering how all of these things are factoring in to where we're headed. And of course, I do look at Trump as an absolutely key piece of that. And I think to myself, well, he was involved in professional wrestling. He is one of the best bad guys ever. And he doesn't care. He has no incentive to care. He has no incentive.

45:30 People are like, well, we have the midterms coming up. Why does he care? He's going to be done in two or whatever, two and a half years now that he has left. He's in his 80s, like his family is set up in positions of power. They have billions of dollars now. Why do they care? And there's no principle in the Republican Party whatsoever. So what are we even doing here? No, it's a good point. And even Jackson T. Barrett put out a phrase in the last chat or two, was talking about managed decline. That's a phrase that came up in 2016 from the Hillary Clinton campaign. And you heard that a lot through the power structure. And you don't hear it much anymore. But it was managed decline.

46:11 We're going to make sure that this wane of our superpower influenced the hegemony of the United States, the dollar dominance, the military dominance. We're going to manage that decline instead of saying, well, how do we have the next American century? That was given up a long time ago. There's even in the chat, they're mentioning Zygmunt Brzezinski and the technocracy. You know, all of the stuff that was transferred after 1973 to China, to the East, our technology, our trade, all the stuff that happened to us post Nixon era. And so it's interesting, we're in this decline, which is by design.

46:52 Nobody's talking anymore about how we can turn the engine back on of America. It wouldn't be that hard. Honestly, if you wanted to compete in today's world, well, we would eliminate income tax, corporate and individual. We just turn the engine back on. They'd be catapulting money into this country. There'd be so much stuff being built. You could flip that switch, but we can't because we have treaties with the UN and others. We've surrendered our sovereignty to these Marxian ideas about income tax and regulation and all this other stuff, which is total treason. But if we wanted to turn America back on, we certainly could. And the jobs would come back.

47:33 The money would flood back. We could go after, you know, make sure we're reforming the justice system. The First Amendment, like internal workings would be, would set us up for the next two or 300 years. Like we could literally outpace everybody by leaning into freedom and leaning into personal liberty, leading into humanity. But we don't do that. So that's the tell. Like it's not a hard formula. Stop the wars, deregulate, cut the income tax and let people go to work. Let us build something again. Stop screwing with the market, you know, stop pricing people out of energy. Let the things flow. There's nothing wrong with how everything works. It's just the power structure is trying to kill us. And that's it.

48:13 There's not a good explanation. Like if you know, like Trump said, by the way, I covered this on my show. Trump said he loves inflation. Did anybody catch that? Yes, he did. So people die, people die when you when you look at the metrics. If the if the cost of living goes up for people on fixed income, they die. When I mean, they have to choose between meals and medicine. It's why he's got to know that. I mean, is he dumb? Like, but no, I think it's at some level these people know that stuff. They say callous things that can you imagine that come out of my mouth? Like this is a good that people are going to be forced to not take their prescriptions or whatever, because, you know, the they they have to choose between keeping their house warm or cool or whatever, because the price of energy, it's just truly disgusting.

49:02 These aren't these aren't really complicated issues. We're just not doing the right things to keep people in a mindset of of getting out of fear and into doing something and pursuing our God given talents. It's just really sad. It is. And if I could just jump in really quick, and that's one of the things that I consider to be a super powerful tool of even if we want to look at the tech companies alone, if you look at algorithmic manipulation that keeps people divided, like what if we pulled up the exact same post, are we all going to see the same comments or not? And we may get comments that are skewing more towards our particular echo chamber.

49:46 So that is very powerful in today's day and time. And I think that that is one of the major tools to keep people divided. We saw how it was weaponized, especially during COVID times. But to your point, Tony, regulation is somebody who owns a business yourself. If you look at the regulation and the BS that a small business owner has to deal with, it is absolutely insane. Even in small town America, and like you said, it's not hard. Just remove some of the regulations on regular people. If we could stop divisive algorithm or whatever, or even come together and be like, we're spending less time complaining on Facebook or whatever that looks like, I agree with you.

50:30 There's still a lot of hope. It doesn't have to be like this. And I think that's why it's so frustrating is to see what just feels so intentional of the cranking on the regular person to make life more difficult for them. And it's especially disgusting because it is off the backs of them that all of this stuff is funded. And of course, the equally and even more disgusting thing is when somebody like Lindsey Graham has the rhetoric of, we're going to war with Iran, they gladly will send you and your sons and your daughters to die.

51:10 It is for nothing. It's just disgusting. It's just so frustrating. Yeah, absolutely. Trump said what Tony said and what you said, he said a lot of these things. And basically, that's why some of us, I was a Trump agnostic. He said crazy stuff, but in between, he said a lot of the right things. And one of those, abolish income taxes, get rid of them, and replace them with tariffs, which is that's what we did until 1913. Great idea. And he instituted the tariffs. But as we talked about, he did it ass backwards because he didn't bring the industry back first. You have to have competition first. He did it backwards. And so he got criticized for it, whatever.

51:52 But the idea was right. Doge was a great idea. That's the kind of thing Ron Paul would have done. We all love Ron Paul. That's why when he criticized. And Ron Paul wasn't an advisor to Elon Musk. So I was really, you know, I'm still a Trump agnostic then, but I'm saying that this is looking good. So for it to all come crashing down like that and nothing happened, they started out as if they were going to do it. And I said, well, OK, this is great. He's trying to get it. And of course, he completely flipped. And then we're 180 degrees away from that. And, you know, at this point, again, I have no argument against the anarchists. I don't know what point, you know, it's a game.

52:33 The Democrats and Republicans, they just, you know, campaign to fix each other's messes. Nothing ever gets done. And, you know, every election is the most crucial. And you can't stop them from voting. And I think a lot less people will vote now. But I don't know, seeing those MAGA people, it's, you know, it's disgusting. You're going to be the reason why we lose, because you're not voting for Trump. It's for the Republicans. It's like, so he can have the House and Senate again and do nothing. And, you know, his first term, he had the House and Senate the first two years, too, and did nothing. So I don't, you can't have any more than Trump has right now. He has all the key members. And it's, but again, what we, what I said all along, when I write the story of Trump and Stein eventually, when it peters out, I have a lot of information on it.

53:18 It'll be that, you know, this is a one man revolution. It never, he never brought along anybody else. You had people like Marjorie Taylor Greene and Massey and people, you could say that Matt Gaetz were brought along kind of with him, Freedom Caucus. But most of them are gone now and Trump attacked them. But you didn't see Republicans transform. You still have the Lindsey Grahams and little Marco Rubio. And now, interestingly enough, J.D. Vance, we're going to talk about that a little bit. They seem to be turning against him. Apparently, he's not as enough of a committed Zionist. I'm hearing lots of people on that saying, you know, he's, and I don't know what he has to do. He's friends with Peter Thiel, but apparently he's not committed enough to Zionism.

54:00 But that's the Republican Party. So this, when Trump goes, I said, it's always going to be the answer when he leaves. What are you going to get after it? Especially, not that Vance is good, but I think Vance will be in the category of Trump, where he'll probably say a lot of good things and get people's hopes up. Marco Rubio is not going to, everybody knows what he is, like Nikki Haley. He's going to be back to the Bush type Republican. So if we go back to that and you still get 50, 70 million people that will vote for those Republicans, then the whole thing was, if Trump served a purpose, it was to show how bad everything was. And ultimately, of course, he was a phony too, the biggest fraud of all. But at least it served a purpose. But if you go back after that and you can't stop yourself from voting for the Marco Rubios, or the Lindsey Grahams, it served no purpose.

54:48 And it will just go quietly into the night. And it lowered politics, the discourse down to the gutter level. But that's it. It changed nothing. Ultimately, if Trump left tomorrow, what was changed? Nothing. You had some kind of, yeah, gas prices went up. And you had the same kind of, yeah, exactly. Go ahead, Don. Well, Piper Fogel says, how do I know what I'm seeing on social media that MAGA is true, Don? Well, I'm just judging, as a prop, again, I'm just judging that the people there, and some of them are influencers. Some of them, I've never heard of them. But there's a lot of people that are still buying. And those walkaway debates were interesting because I think that's the mindset.

55:32 And I still have friends that I agree with pretty much on everything except Israel. And they can't get past that. And so they can't get past me opposing it. But again, I think that's a snag. And people, when you start saying Epstein killed himself, which these people are doing now, and you're not talking about Doge, you're not talking about any of the stuff that Trump said he was going to do, the $5,000 checks, the tariff test, nothing. You're just left with Iran doesn't have a nuclear weapon. That's what it's become. So it's unfortunate. And I think the whole purpose of the Trump-insigned project was to kill off any potential third party movement. Because I don't think that'll ever happen now.

56:13 And you can see everybody splintered. I don't think all it would do is, I guess, ensure Democrats winning all the time. Because I don't think you can. Certainly, I can't believe you're going to get many Trump voters to vote for the Marco Rubio. But I could be wrong. You know, they never surprised me with their gullibility. Yeah, I mean, I'm one of the people in the I think it's even more disappointing or even a darker view that I think the Massey election was legit. I think voters did that. I mean, I have that because of my own experience. I know voters pretty well. Well, it's the saddest thing. We should hope for fraud. Because if they really voted Lindsey Graham back in and voted Thomas Massey out, you couldn't have a better moratorium on something.

57:00 And what they did is they voted down. They gave a big thumbs down to all of Trump's best rhetoric. And they gave a big thumbs up to rhinoism while calling Massey a rhino, which is ridiculous. I have a I'll close with this. I have an idea. You mentioned Lindsey Graham earlier in the show, too. And maybe we what about a coffee table book? We should get a journalist go back and find every like little old lady over the years that tried to set Lindsey Graham up with their daughter or granddaughter and profile of each one he turned down. We're just kind of surprised. We could just have a coffee table book. Yeah, something like that.

57:40 That would be entertaining. Well, I can't go to the chat. We went past time. I don't have Billy here to guide me through that. So next week, we'll talk to the chat. We'll shout out the chat. And then if you leave us a five star review, you can say anything you want. As long as it's five star, we will read it on air. No new reviews this week. So go and do that. It helps the algorithm and people can find us for good or for ill. And actually, what do you think about every once in a while? Somebody asked me if I'm going to run for office, then I'll go on a podcast. I make sure that I do scorched earth where I can never go back. Do you appreciate that sort of honesty? I very much appreciate that sort of honesty.

58:22 And that's how I try to live my life. You know, it's not easy being trying to be authentic and honest and not put on airs and not be a grifter. It's somewhat, you know, because like you said, as far as like trying to gain audience or whatever, but I appreciate it very much. And I think it's it is difficult in this world to try to keep considering what we're seeing, processing it and trying to live in reality and live in honesty and speak the honesty as best as you can. So where can people find you? They want to find your work. They can find me nights of the storm. My own show, Think, Change, Repeat over on Rumble and YouTube. And I'm on X, but I have even less interaction on X than Don was getting when his when he didn't have access to his account.

59:12 Oh, then you're like me. I think I have almost six thousand followers. And last time I checked, I don't think my show got a like or a retweet last week live. So that's the algorithm ghetto. Yeah, I'm I am I am dispatched to the phantom zone. Donald Jeffries, people can find you where, sir. Well, first, Angel Blue, thanks for all your kind words. She's saying all this stuff in the chat about me. I appreciate that. Substack is the only place I'm not being shadowed by Donald Jeffries at Substack dot com. I protest just like my podcast. I'm finishing up a piece on the data centers. I'll be publishing that later today. I'm back on X. Mother's Day miracle brought me back somehow. It's at Don Jeffries for what it's worth.

59:54 You know, I get limited to what kind of impact. But Primetime 99, Alex, I did like something I posted the other day. So that was cool. So he's he made he's off of Blaze TV. So, you know, he was on my show once. So maybe maybe he'll be back to appearing with the likes of me again. So that would be cool. But and of course, all my books are out there, all ten books. And people can find out more than they want to know about me if they do a simple search. Yeah, we got to get Don on with Tucker Carlson. It's a must. All right. We're going to maybe a team effort. Maybe we'll get a petition online. Something if his book will start with start with with Jimmy Doerr. Because I mean, Jimmy Doerr has two of my books. He's not selling my books.

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