#223 America Unplugged -Infowars' Fall and the Free Speech Reckoning

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Died of a big disease. It's the greatest of all time. Argue with me if you want.

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I mean, you guys love to argue with me anyway. The greatest of all time.

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Prince died 10 years ago on April 21st.

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Figured I'd opened up with the actual version this time and hope I don't get

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slapped in the hand instead of doing a muse version, which I love too.

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But Prince is incredible. It was just incredible. My, catch me on a day,

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it's either David Bowie or Prince for me. It really depends.

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That's it. What is going on? It is America Unplugged and no Tony Arterburn today.

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He's over at the Bitcoin conference, schooling people.

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We brought in the reinforcements, ladies and gentlemen, and I am still joined

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by the legendary Don Jeffries. Tell them what's up, sir. How are you?

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Good to see you guys. Good to see Ashley and John. new voices

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here familiar voices um crazy world and

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all we can do is try to make some

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kind of sense of it right right absolutely we're going to talk about a bunch

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of the crazy stuff going on mr john brissom look at him look at this guy he

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he took cue from from last week and how we're super fashionable and cleaned

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up look at him look at him the beard is gone the the head is fully shaven,

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sparkly, shiny, still from the kill

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shed, but it's a totally different presentation of Black Trump himself,

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John Brizon. What's up, brother? How are you?

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Thank you, young Kennedy. Not fully shaven on top. It just appears that way

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because of the light in the shed.

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But yeah, I'm glad to be here as always. Good to see you, Don.

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Good to see you, Ashley. And crazy times you're living in. Crazy times you're living in.

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And of course, we got Ashley from Nights of the Storm.

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Think, change, repeat, the whole deal. She's got a lot of stuff going on.

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How are you, Ashley? Welcome back to America Unplugged. Always happy to have you. What's going on?

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Thank you so much. I'm very happy to be here with you people today.

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And yeah, it is crazy time. So I'm looking forward to the conversation to maybe

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help me suss a little bit of this out that I'm still, you know,

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I'm paying attention every day.

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I'm puzzling over it every day. and I still don't really know what's actually going on.

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Right, right, right. Nobody does, I don't think.

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Gardner Goldsmith is in the chat. What is going on, sir? I haven't talked to

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you in a couple of weeks, man. I got to hit you up and say what's going on.

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Little John is in the chat. What's going on? He says, hello,

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Billy. But he says, looking good, Ashley.

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You know, how come I don't get, you know, hey, feeling good,

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Billy Ray, something like that.

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You know, you can hit me with something like that too. You know, I get jealous over here.

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Looking good, Ashley. I'm going to get a lot of that today, most likely.

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What else we got? Don Lambert is in the chat. What's going on? How are you?

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Lucky one. Is that you, Lucky? Lucky. Is that you? I haven't seen Lucky for

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a long time. Is that Lucky? For real, for real? Like from TFR?

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Let me know. Somehow we got the Rumble stream chat in together with everything here.

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So I don't have to put a Rumble to it, which is very cool.

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I set up a new stream today and I didn't do anything different,

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but now it worked for whatever reasons. Lucky, what's up, Yvette?

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You love to see you. Got to talk to you sometime. How are you?

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Robin Lee is in the chat. What's going on? It is Lucky. How are you, Lucky? Very nice.

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Awesome. All right. We're going to get cracking, man. We have quite a bit to

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talk about. The Southern Poverty Law Center.

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I don't know if we want to start off with that or Infowars getting finally being taken over by The Onion.

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Of sorts. We don't even know, to be honest, what's going on. I really don't know.

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Maybe John or Don has, or Ashley have some insight there because I don't know what's going on.

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They seem to say that they have taken it over. It's going to be six months before they do it.

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Alex is saying that it's nonsense. He was right the last time,

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even though it was on technicality, but he was still right.

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I don't know. Let's go around the panel and talk about this.

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Let's lead with this and we'll get into Iran also. Ashley has some thoughts on that.

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You know, I can't stand Alex Jones. So I don't feel sorry for the guy at all.

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But I do feel some type of way about this Sandy Hook lawsuit that they hit him with. I...

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And my mind is up for change. If somebody can present something that changes

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my mind on this, but I don't know if Alex Jones really did anything wrong.

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I mean, he was speculating. He was wrong about his speculation.

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He's even come out and admitted that. Whether people want to admit it or not

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to themselves is something else.

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But I don't think he was wrong for saying what he was saying.

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And I don't remember Alex Jones telling people to go harass,

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you know, the family members.

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I don't remember that. Again, I don't know the specifics of the case and what they hit him with.

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You know, so there's that. But as a result of that,

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the Onion has been in talks to purchase InfoWars because the family members

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of Sandy Hook that Alex Jones owes a billion dollars to, They want to get paid.

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Alex Jones hasn't paid a penny.

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So the Onion wants to step in and give whatever the revenue is to the Sandy

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Hook families and run InfoWars as a parody site. And they've already kind of started.

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They're literally turning it gay. Go look. And they're doing this on purpose.

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They turned the whole InfoWars logo, a rainbow logo.

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They're taking stabs at Alex Jones. then they're not making any bones about

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it. They're being fully transparent about what they're doing.

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And again, I don't care about that. But I do feel a little weird about the whole

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situation with Alex and owing a billion dollars for wild speculation nonetheless.

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But a billion dollars, I don't know, man. It's a lot of money.

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Don Jeffries, what's up?

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Yeah, well, I've certainly written a lot about that. And it's just obviously

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a very disturbing precedent for free speech.

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And again, there were no protests. The ACLU, which I was a member of a long

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time ago, card-carrying member, they don't care about civil liberties anymore.

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They would have been front and center with that.

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Yeah he's always been a parody site well yeah

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and that's what the guy like alex jones is hard to tell but uh

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the onion is you know again demonstrating that they are hardly any

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kind of anti-establishments being so

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concerned about the sandy hook parents who probably god knows

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how much money they already have because they had all his funds

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set up which have never been audited going back to

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the end of these funds i've written a lot about that you can't audit them

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you can't find anything about it i remember when i was writing about natalie hollywood

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i was trying to find out from the guy who uh set up

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that fund and you know he was as rude as could be

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and he acted like he was covering up something i don't know

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what so the idea that you know this is what the onions supposedly prides itself

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on kind of poking fun at power let's not it's not doing that there whatever

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you think of alex jones and but alex jones he hasn't paid a penny because again

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most of us think he's part of this i mean i mean he He wouldn't have a billion dollars if he had.

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He realized that that, talk about jurisprudence, that's the largest award in

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the history of America, of all litigation.

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Nobody's ever been. So Johnson & Johnson killed all those people with their

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baby powder and all the other things that happened.

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Interesting, the pennies compared to them.

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But Alex Jones questioning Sandy Hook, that was the most egregious thing in

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the history of our legal system, according to the wonderful jurors and prosecution

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that came up with this great decision. And so, Alex Jones has been awful for a long time.

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He became awful when Trump came on the scene.

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And then he just stopped talking. But I would suggest his son,

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Rex Jones, if you see him, he's doing a lot of interviews now.

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And he sounds a lot like the old Alex.

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And he was talking the other day about how, yeah, you know, this is why dad

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used to talk about it back in the day. And he did. And I don't know what that means.

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But, you know, this is obviously very...

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Very disturbing stuff because it's the same thing with whatever you think of trump and i certainly,

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have a much more negative opinion trump now than

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when i was a tribe agnostic but again

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that absurd you know litigation against him was all ridiculous

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that lawfare you can't you can't award some crazy woman that's completely out

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of her mind and doesn't even remember the you and alleged rape happened you

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can't award her you know whatever it was 20 million or whatever you can't have

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a system like thing because all of us are in danger because they could bring a woman, you know,

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from 30 years ago with 40 years ago with me and say, yeah, it was sometime in

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the 70s. I don't remember exactly when.

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And based on the Alex Jones precedent here.

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So it's terrible. Same thing when he has assets, when he was,

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I've been a realtor since 1985.

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I've never met anybody that didn't brag about their assets and thought their

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home and everything was worse more than what it is.

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And you prosecute the guy for that, especially when the people that he was involved

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with testified for him and said, no, there were no damages, nothing happened.

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They still find him like what, and he probably didn't pay anything either,

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just like Alex Jones did, but the precedent set.

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So all these disturbing legal precedents, you know, that's, you know,

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talking about Lincoln and FDR and people like that.

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When you set the precedent, then all of us are in danger.

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So when they did that to Alex Jones, you know, the first that came for Alex

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Jones, I wrote an article once called that.

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And then it's, you know, well, you know, you can't say this.

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And that's what we're seeing now you have 37 states have passed some kind of

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law analyzing making it impossible for a company any kind of company with over

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like 10 employees or something basically everything,

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to say anything to boy to urge a boycott of israel 37 states,

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That's very dangerous. And that's what we have now. We have this thinking where

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free speech is under assault as never before.

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So as you know, I'm a free speech purist and I may be the only one left in this

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country, but I'm going to still defend free speech as long as I can.

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Ashley, what's up? What you got?

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So this is something that I will be curious to hear what the rest of y'all think,

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because I felt like now, Billy, I'm putting on my conspiracy hat here.

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Forgive me. But I felt like, isn't it weird that we see Alex Jones being they're

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going after Alex Jones and they're kind of in a way de-platforming him?

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And we saw Candace Owens get fired from The Daily Wire.

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And we saw Tucker get fired from Fox News.

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And there were various kind of reasons for what transpired with them.

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But what we saw was, in my opinion, if you were making a rise of Mockingbird

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2.0, then that is the precedent.

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Because those are some of the most popular voices along with Joe Rogan in the

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alternative, you know, the mainstream alternative space. So I thought that that was convenient.

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I also thought it was convenient that, yes, like you said, did he actually do anything wrong?

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Yeah, I don't know. You know, I thought I agree with Don.

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I think it's dangerous. And I think that this is a way to shout down and punish

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somebody for questioning an official narrative.

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And as you were saying, like did he actually have.

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Want to have people harassed or harmed in any way, that's, it's scary.

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So there are things that, and I'm not saying that all of those things are what happened,

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right, with the coordination of Candace Tucker, Alex,

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but I just found it to be an interesting timing paired with someone getting

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one of the biggest punishments ever in regards to what seems to be a free speech issue.

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And I'm so I'm not sure and I have

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I'm curious about how things are going to continue to

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play out for Infowars because even though

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he did get the major penalty of a billion dollars and he was online crying and

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saying that they were going to shut him down and here we are all these many

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months later and it's still operational so I'm curious to see is anything actually

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going to be happening there or is this really the end for that and then what

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does that mean for Alex Jones going forward?

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I think it's going to be about six months before we see anything,

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if it actually happens. And then Alex Jones is going to continue under a new name.

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I mean, the Alex Jones show, not InfoWars. He's going to do his own thing.

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He's going to keep going.

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It's just he's going to lose the InfoWars brand.

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And again, I'm going to go ahead and plead ignorance on this because I don't know the specifics.

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I don't know why they're doing this.

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At first glance and on the surface level, it seems kind of off to me,

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but I don't know specifics about it.

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Now, as far as all the other stuff that Don mentioned about Donald Trump,

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he did all that shit, all of it.

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And there is documented proof of all the shit he did. But it's not illegal.

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Nobody's ever been prosecuted. It's very illegal.

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A lot of the stuff that he did was very, raping somebody is illegal.

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How do you prosecute somebody for that? Raping somebody is illegal.

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And the only reason it wasn't called rape. The year that it has been,

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that's a terrible precedent.

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Anybody can say that. The only reason it wasn't called rape is because there's

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a different standard for rape in New York. Anywhere else it would have been called rape.

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What's up, John Brissom? Tell me what's going on.

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You're muted, sir. As far as the First Amendment is concerned and defamation

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in America, we have one of the strictest standards of proof for defamation in

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America because of our First Amendment.

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So you would have to prove, for example, that Alex Jones knew what he was saying was a lie. Okay.

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And that he meant to propagate that lie. And then you have to go a step further

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in that he meant to propagate that lie for some sort of malevolent intent to

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inflict on the specific parents of Sandy Hook, right?

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So you have to prove all of that before you can even get to did someone defame another person, right?

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And I would say looking, and look, I'm no fan of C&P Alex Jones.

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I've made that well known throughout We Read the Documents. I've exposed him

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in I don't know how many streams, okay?

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But you still have to be able to prove those things for sure in a court of law

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to a civil jury to be able to prove defamation, right? Now, other countries are different.

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In Japan, if you actually tell something truthful and it harms a person,

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you could be held legally liable, which is crazy to me, which is crazy, okay?

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Now, I myself am a strong First Amendment advocate.

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I'm not an absolutionist. I think there are limits, like child pornography,

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for example, is a limit that I would put forth.

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And actually, a lot of people get it wrong. You can't actually,

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in a theater, stand up and yell fire.

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That was not set as Supreme Court precedents.

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That was actually in a briefing that a Supreme Court justice,

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I don't remember which one, used in an argumentation. So that's not even law.

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You can actually do that. Now, the question again is, did Alex Jones defame the Sandy Hook parents?

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I don't think there was strong enough evidence, and I've looked at all the evidence,

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I don't think there was strong enough evidence to say that Alex Jones was not

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a true believer that that was presented in the trial to show that he had the

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purpose of intent of defaming them.

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I just, I just wasn't enough evidence for me. Now, is it capable that Alex Jones

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completely thought it was bullcrap and still spewed it out anyway for money and for ratings?

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Of course, but they didn't have internal documentation or testimony enough to

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prove that, in my opinion, okay, that the settlement for a billion dollars,

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which is the largest settlement of a defamation case against an individual in the world.

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Now, it isn't the largest case, Don, as far as settlements of corporations.

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They've been hundreds of billions of dollars.

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But the single defamation suit, Alex Jones is the largest at roughly 1.5 billion.

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And so the amount of money is ludicrous.

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Jones's lawyer was not good at all.

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Like straight up horrible lawyer and i

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do think it is you will be used as precedent going

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forward to weaken our first amendment rights

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and protection against reporting and what is defamation and what is not defamation

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okay i'm pretty sure of that and that is problematic so yeah i mean do i think

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that the jury should have ruled against alex jones on this no i don't i don't

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based off what i've seen at all.

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I mean, you could convince me otherwise, show me more evidence.

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I just, that's what I've looked at.

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Now, with the Onion situation,

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Will they, will they not? Like you said, Billy, Alex Jones is trying to frame

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it half naked that this is because Trump is now against him and therefore this

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is directly from that. Well, that's awfully fast if that's the case.

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Not to say that that can't be the case, but that's awfully fast as he's shirtlessly

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ranting in front of who was, who was it? Harrison Smith.

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Harrison Smith sitting there scared out of his mind, bro.

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So to me, it's like, what are we doing here? You know, like what part of that's

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an act? Like, Alex Jones, for all intents and purposes, is a comedic jester

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actor. Okay, let's be real.

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Now, part of it is he's also insane, too.

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Okay, what part's insanity? What part's a jester acting?

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You know, we can have those debates. All right? But definitely,

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I mean, what's going on? You know, and I'm no fan either.

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You know, Tim Heidecker from Tim and Eric Awesome Show. Him doing his Alex Jones impression.

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You know, Heidecker is, he's, go back and watch Tim and Eric.

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A lot of it's Discordianism. It's not even funny. A lot of it is,

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I understand pushing the boundaries of comedy. I like stand-up comedy. You know that, Billy.

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But I mean, a lot of the Tim and Eric stuff that I used to like when I was a

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lot younger than I am now, looking back on it, I'm like, this stuff's actually kind of really gross.

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So him taking over as Alex, I don't know how I feel about that.

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I kind of want to see it, but at the same time, I'm like, I don't know how I

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feel about it. Did you say Discordianism?

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Discordianism, yeah. So it's, uh, you know, that comes from,

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that comes from the Illuminatus trilogy, which I read as well.

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And it comes from. Yes. But there's a religion.

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But there's a religion based off of that, Don, that a lot of people practice

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as far as chaos, magic, and they think that they can break reality.

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But that's exactly where it comes from is Robert, Robert Anton Wilson.

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You're a hundred percent right on that. It's kind of from Jerry Thornton,

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Oswald's Marine buddy who wrote a book about Oswald before the assassination

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and was very instrumental in setting up the private Oswalevich and all the other

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nonsense that he made up. He was part of something.

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Agreed. And you can even argue that Alex Jones himself practiced discordianism

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with his outlight antics in the way. That's all another discussion.

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But, you know, but anyway, these people think they can break the fabric of reality

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by using chaos magic to do that.

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Stephen Kedvin Bannon is one of the prime examples of that.

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But for InfoWars, which was a parody of alternative media in and of itself,

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to be replaced by The Onion, which is a parody, is the utterness of absurdity.

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In my opinion. With it. Hope it happens. I'd love to see it happen.

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I want to see InfoWars burn to the ground. I want to see it gone.

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That being said, like I said, I don't know too much about the case to see what

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it did. It seems off to me, but is it completely legitimate?

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No, probably. Do they have evidence that Alex Jones may have had malicious intent?

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Man, I spoke to David Knight, right? We've all spoken to David Knight.

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Spoke to him off air and on air about Alex Jones and his motives.

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So they got people back there that probably said, yeah, he knew it was bullshit

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and did it for clicks. But Billy, they weren't able to prove that.

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They didn't rule based on that. I mean, I don't know how you're able to prove that.

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Well, I mean, you could have internal documentation or eyewitness testimony.

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As Jackson T. Barrett says, he made a good point there in terms of Trump,

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but it goes for Alex Jones as well.

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In all those lawfare cases, there was no trial.

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It was basically the judge ruled in every one of those cases.

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You can't argue the merits. You can't have a free speech defense,

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nothing like that. You're guilty.

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And we're just going to decide how much money you have to pay them. So there was no trial.

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Alex Jones would have been great is you couldn't put those people on trial and

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showed the helicopter footage where nothing is happening and all the crazy stuff

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that was going on and the crazy coroner and all that.

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That would have been great to see on the Senate. They wouldn't allow that.

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I guess. No, with Don, with Alex Jones, there was a jury. There was a jury.

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No, there was, there were trials. I'm not guilty.

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They, they, they, the judge said ahead of time, he's guilty.

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All you're going to decide is what is the amount of the award?

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That's all they decided.

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There were, there were trials for all of this and they were found guilty.

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There were trials for all of them, right? For, for all of these things.

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But they were found guilty by the judge ahead of time. Read it up. But that's, he.

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Go ahead, Don. In every one of those cases. But that just goes,

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the bottom line of it is, and then I'm throwing it to Ash, the bottom line of

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it is, what do you consider to be evidence? What do you consider to be a trial?

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Like, you know, did these things happen? Yeah.

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You know, to me, it happened. They were found guilty. These things happen.

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But do you accept them is totally different. And that's what I think.

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Jackson doesn't accept these things.

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You know, there's people that don't accept evidence. They just don't.

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You know, so it's like, where are we going at that point?

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But Alex Jones is a piece of filth. So I don't feel sorry for him.

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I don't, you know, and I hope it all goes away. Look at his stupid ass right here.

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Walking out without a shirt on in front of Harrison Smith. What the hell is

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this about? The guy's out of

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his freaking mind. Ashley, before I play the clip, give me some thoughts.

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Yeah, I it's concerning to me because of what you have already said,

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what we've already talked about as far as what does this actually mean as far

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as our free speech implications or questioning a story or like what John is saying,

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reporting on a story and in regards to journalism.

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This is a situation that I feel that I need to do more digging on as far as the trial.

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Now, this is a conversation that Billy and I had is that it's easy to make a

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decision or think that something was, you know, a fraudulent trial or whatever

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based on what we see online.

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But really, until we dig in and do the work and like what John was saying that he read the documents,

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that then I think we need to do that before we make an opinion,

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before we form our own opinion as far as what actually happened here.

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But the forward messaging is that he challenged this and then he got hit with a billion dollar suit.

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Well, actually, to that point, Alex Jones refused to form any defense when the

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judges were ruling. He refused to form any defense to turn over the documentation

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necessary for the judges to make a rule on Alex's defense. His lawyer was horrible.

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Now, Don is right that he faced a civil jury for the amount,

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but Alex Jones refused to release anything.

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So again, we don't even have the appropriate evidence to rule one way or another.

00:23:36.509 --> 00:23:41.249
So what do you think is up with that? You know, do you think that, like, why?

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That makes no sense, obviously. So why would this be— The only way it would

00:23:45.829 --> 00:23:47.109
make sense if he was guilty.

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Right. The only way it makes sense is— I think it's part of the thing,

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because, look, I've written about Sandy Hook.

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Read my article, Sandy Hook, It's Not Irresponsible, the question.

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I wrote it over 10 years ago.

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It holds up. I stand behind every word. It's not irresponsible.

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Whatever happened, it made no

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sense. And if you had put that on—if you had put that incident on trial—,

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Any honest jury would have had lots of questions, and they certainly would have

00:24:10.273 --> 00:24:12.973
upheld your right into the First Amendment to talk about it.

00:24:13.033 --> 00:24:15.073
Alex Jones, he had Wolfgang Halbig.

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Wolfgang Halbig was marched out of his house at 3 in the morning at 70-some

00:24:18.993 --> 00:24:25.993
years old with cancer by people arresting him for nothing, for trying to get the United Way.

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They harassed him when he went up to Sandy Hook and tried to get him to the

00:24:29.593 --> 00:24:33.093
United Way just to see their documents about the fund that was set up.

00:24:33.173 --> 00:24:35.333
We talked about the funds. these kinds of things.

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A police chief, a fire chief almost attacked him. So why?

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Why can't this hold up? Why are people saying that they're in the documents

00:24:44.593 --> 00:24:48.653
there that most of the players in this involved had their, again, I'm a real estate agent.

00:24:49.013 --> 00:24:54.453
They had their properties granted to them, given to them on Christmas Day.

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Real estate does not happen on Christmas Day.

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That's what people say. I'm still trying to validate that, but lots of people

00:25:01.153 --> 00:25:04.333
claim they've seen it. Those are the questions that should be asked.

00:25:04.853 --> 00:25:08.673
And why, you know, they're just, again, I've stated enough to say,

00:25:08.713 --> 00:25:10.173
you look at that helicopter footage.

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That doesn't lie. That's not an opinion. That's not a conspiracy theory.

00:25:14.013 --> 00:25:15.573
It was taken during the time.

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You don't see anything. It looks like a day at the park.

00:25:20.225 --> 00:25:24.665
So just make that make sense to me because at that time, I don't think C.J.

00:25:24.785 --> 00:25:28.725
I will say the real estate granting, Don, from what I know, that seemed to be

00:25:28.725 --> 00:25:32.145
an error with the county that Sandy

00:25:32.145 --> 00:25:37.105
Hook was in in Connecticut as far as updating real estate tax yearly.

00:25:37.625 --> 00:25:42.265
From what I've seen, I mean, some of the stuff can be explained. Not all of it.

00:25:42.645 --> 00:25:48.125
But it wasn't isolated to the people that were involved with Sandy Hook. It was for everybody.

00:25:48.565 --> 00:25:52.025
They took it out of context. that it was specifically for the Sandy Hook families.

00:25:52.025 --> 00:25:55.025
It was for the other people that lived in Sandy Hook as well, too. Thank you.

00:25:55.725 --> 00:26:01.065
A lot of this can be explained is whether or not you accept it, right?

00:26:01.245 --> 00:26:05.045
Do we accept the explanations that we get? It's like, are we asking these questions?

00:26:05.185 --> 00:26:07.725
Yeah, we're asking the questions. We're getting back answers,

00:26:07.725 --> 00:26:11.025
but people don't accept the answers. So then we're stuck.

00:26:11.744 --> 00:26:14.644
Right because if you listen questions are being asked and

00:26:14.644 --> 00:26:17.684
they have been explained a lot of them and then

00:26:17.684 --> 00:26:20.724
it's like well that can't be true they've been explained snow

00:26:20.724 --> 00:26:23.604
style but i mean a couple weeks ago i had dana duda on my

00:26:23.604 --> 00:26:26.444
show and she's done research on candace owens and

00:26:26.444 --> 00:26:29.224
she claims and found that her father was in

00:26:29.224 --> 00:26:32.004
charge of the cleanup at sandy hook

00:26:32.004 --> 00:26:34.644
so again these there's so many connections and that

00:26:34.644 --> 00:26:37.524
that was the main thing wolfgang halbig was trying to find out

00:26:37.524 --> 00:26:40.584
who was the company that did the cleanup and they wouldn't

00:26:40.584 --> 00:26:43.364
let him know and he has a race this guy would that's what

00:26:43.364 --> 00:26:46.244
he did for a living at one point so just to

00:26:46.244 --> 00:26:49.224
answer the questions there's so many questions and of course

00:26:49.224 --> 00:26:52.084
it led to the boston bombing and all that's why we question all these things

00:26:52.084 --> 00:26:55.544
now a lot of the people that don't question that they certainly question trump's

00:26:55.544 --> 00:26:59.224
alleged shooting in butler pennsylvania do you recognize all the inconsistencies

00:26:59.224 --> 00:27:03.164
there because they hate trump so much that oh it had to be and i think it was

00:27:03.164 --> 00:27:06.464
fake this is the same kind of things you see in all these cases,

00:27:06.644 --> 00:27:09.424
but Gabby Giffords actually was the one that started it.

00:27:09.784 --> 00:27:13.484
And her thing, I've had Stephanie Sledge, we didn't get her connection working.

00:27:14.084 --> 00:27:16.924
She had done great research on that. But we have to be able to ask,

00:27:17.024 --> 00:27:22.344
even if it was irresponsible, all that stuff, you have the right to say that

00:27:22.344 --> 00:27:23.424
because it's a public event.

00:27:23.724 --> 00:27:27.144
You're not attacking your neighbor and making up and claiming he's a pedophile

00:27:27.144 --> 00:27:30.264
or something. You're questioning things that happen with a public event,

00:27:30.344 --> 00:27:31.564
and that happens all the time.

00:27:31.984 --> 00:27:35.324
And it should be allowed. So it's very, whatever Alex Jones is,

00:27:35.424 --> 00:27:38.284
I just, I just think it's a terrible precedent set in terms of free speech.

00:27:38.958 --> 00:27:43.538
I don't disagree there, Don. It's a very slippery slope.

00:27:43.978 --> 00:27:47.138
As far as Dana Duda goes, I don't know her.

00:27:47.558 --> 00:27:51.838
I don't know her research. I don't know what she does. I heard her on your show,

00:27:51.878 --> 00:27:54.918
and I heard her on Weezy's show, and in passing, too.

00:27:54.998 --> 00:27:58.338
I didn't even hear the entire show. but this connection

00:27:58.338 --> 00:28:01.018
that we're making here like this it's a big

00:28:01.018 --> 00:28:04.178
deal and i went back and forth with wheezy about it it's like oh well

00:28:04.178 --> 00:28:07.618
candace owens's dad was in

00:28:07.618 --> 00:28:13.098
charge of something in sandy hook like what does that mean what is and and this

00:28:13.098 --> 00:28:18.378
is proof for people it's like okay he was in charge of the cleanup oh well then

00:28:18.378 --> 00:28:22.058
he was in on it and candace owens was in on it as a result she has to know and

00:28:22.058 --> 00:28:24.838
he has to know. It's like, no, it doesn't have to know anything.

00:28:25.198 --> 00:28:29.098
These are companies that were contracted to do whatever by the government or

00:28:29.098 --> 00:28:32.118
by whomever. I don't know, but it doesn't prove anything.

00:28:32.398 --> 00:28:38.318
And that's proof enough for most people who want these things to fit their paradigm,

00:28:38.658 --> 00:28:43.578
who want these things, who want to accept these things. That's proof enough. It's a loose connection.

00:28:44.767 --> 00:28:47.427
Solidify the connection. If there is something, if there's something there,

00:28:47.627 --> 00:28:49.327
dig for it, try to solidify it.

00:28:49.407 --> 00:28:53.307
But all that's been said, and I'd love to talk to Dana about this at some point

00:28:53.307 --> 00:28:55.607
and just tell her, so what does this mean?

00:28:56.147 --> 00:29:05.427
What does this mean that Candace Owens' dad was somehow working in Sandy Hook during the shooting?

00:29:05.547 --> 00:29:09.447
He was in charge of the cleanup, let's say, for lack of, for argument's sake,

00:29:09.607 --> 00:29:10.767
he was in charge of the cleanup.

00:29:11.107 --> 00:29:13.767
I don't even know if that's true, right but for argument's sake let's say

00:29:13.767 --> 00:29:16.607
he was what the hell does that mean what does

00:29:16.607 --> 00:29:19.407
that prove an interesting connection i guess we ought

00:29:19.407 --> 00:29:23.447
to be able to talk connections in life don does it mean that they were actively

00:29:23.447 --> 00:29:28.187
involved in the cover-up of sandy hook which is what she is alluding to we see

00:29:28.187 --> 00:29:31.567
these interesting connections a lot in these cases we see it all the time you

00:29:31.567 --> 00:29:35.827
see you know one of the first people that they went up to in 9-11 on the street

00:29:35.827 --> 00:29:37.887
in new york was rachel who could tell,

00:29:38.167 --> 00:29:43.147
who ended up, you know, 10 years later, being one of Tyndra Woods' most only-profile girlfriends.

00:29:44.627 --> 00:29:47.647
But again, those are the kind of connections we see, and that's why people think

00:29:47.647 --> 00:29:52.607
they're crisis actors. They're rotated in and out of these things because they keep popping up here.

00:29:52.847 --> 00:29:57.347
I mean, that's, you know, what's the guy during Trump's—no, no,

00:29:57.487 --> 00:30:00.347
during Charlie Cook's shooting, the guy that first started saying,

00:30:00.547 --> 00:30:04.447
I did it and everything, the crazy guy that they just kind of ignored? Right.

00:30:05.247 --> 00:30:07.747
Supposedly, he was in the third or four of these different events.

00:30:08.327 --> 00:30:10.047
I mean, is that possible?

00:30:10.207 --> 00:30:13.547
Well, maybe, but it's more possible if it's a crisis act.

00:30:13.887 --> 00:30:17.307
I mean, that's the questions we should ask, because I don't know anybody that

00:30:17.307 --> 00:30:18.687
just happens to be at these scenes.

00:30:19.523 --> 00:30:23.163
Let me let me play alex jones we spent the 30 minutes talking about alex.

00:30:25.443 --> 00:30:29.283
It's interesting it's you know and we're all involved in

00:30:29.283 --> 00:30:33.303
this we're all in this bubble and alex has been a central pillar of this for

00:30:33.303 --> 00:30:38.143
a long time so it's it's interesting to talk about and see the the demise of

00:30:38.143 --> 00:30:42.923
this man the exposing of him you know but uh there's much more important going

00:30:42.923 --> 00:30:45.403
on in the world it's my fault though because i brought it up but here we go

00:30:45.403 --> 00:30:47.543
take something of thing over and then act like you're somebody,

00:30:47.723 --> 00:30:48.463
even if you say it's a parody.

00:30:48.863 --> 00:30:51.963
You can do a parody of somebody, but none of you took something from them.

00:30:52.203 --> 00:30:54.103
You've already checked with lawyers, so they're in deep shit.

00:30:54.243 --> 00:30:57.243
I'm already suing the Democrat Party law firms, already got civil rights lawsuits.

00:30:57.743 --> 00:31:01.383
Do you think, look, just because you're wearing my shirt don't mean you're me.

00:31:01.903 --> 00:31:07.103
So let's be 100% clear about that. And so you guys just keep laughing just like

00:31:07.103 --> 00:31:09.323
you did a year and a half ago, or it was November 2024.

00:31:10.063 --> 00:31:13.243
Is that about a year and a half? Yeah, this is a story from December 10th.

00:31:13.363 --> 00:31:15.383
Sale of Alex Jones InfoWars to the Onion rejected.

00:31:15.683 --> 00:31:21.663
And I'll get into this. Yeah, so just, but yeah, they need to be us to confuse people.

00:31:21.723 --> 00:31:23.963
By the way, it's a total failure. He goes, oh, we're the fifth biggest newspapers.

00:31:24.223 --> 00:31:26.223
That's a lie. Newspapers are all dead.

00:31:27.883 --> 00:31:31.063
I looked it up. The Onion gets less than half of the traffic that InfoWars gets.

00:31:31.583 --> 00:31:32.843
I remember they said they were going to be.

00:31:34.983 --> 00:31:38.323
Charlie Kirk. Remember when he died, they said they were going to misrepresent fake quotes of him.

00:31:38.703 --> 00:31:43.443
This is what the left do. They try to silence you, then they misrepresent who you are.

00:31:43.443 --> 00:31:48.963
Their bodies you know if if harrison smith where's tony i wish tony was here

00:31:48.963 --> 00:31:54.583
that's that's tony's boy if harrison smith had a pair of balls he'd have just

00:31:54.583 --> 00:31:57.883
looked at first off not not not like scrunching down when alex comes out and

00:31:57.883 --> 00:32:00.763
i understand harrison that this dude comes out without a shirt you know what

00:32:00.763 --> 00:32:02.823
i mean but i just would have told him dude where's your shirt.

00:32:03.643 --> 00:32:08.263
Go put a shirt on. The hell are you doing? You're not making anything better

00:32:08.263 --> 00:32:13.423
for yourself walking out here without a shirt on after they just took your entire organization.

00:32:13.923 --> 00:32:15.183
And you look crazy.

00:32:15.903 --> 00:32:21.123
I would have told them this on air. Go put a freaking polo on right now. Do it.

00:32:21.483 --> 00:32:25.423
I know you have one. But he was going to wrestle Harrison to the ground,

00:32:25.563 --> 00:32:27.943
Billy, just like he wrestled Russell Brand without a shirt.

00:32:28.143 --> 00:32:30.903
You know, it's just a couple of Greco-Roman wrestling matches.

00:32:30.923 --> 00:32:31.923
What's wrong with that, Billy?

00:32:31.923 --> 00:32:34.823
Get oiled up and just wrestling half naked i stand

00:32:34.823 --> 00:32:38.263
corrected john brissom if we would have got some greco-roman wrestling

00:32:38.263 --> 00:32:41.123
i'd have been like you know what maybe we can set it up for for

00:32:41.123 --> 00:32:43.783
ufc and at the white house you know they can get

00:32:43.783 --> 00:32:46.523
why not the 250th anniversary right why not right

00:32:46.523 --> 00:32:53.183
alex jones uh versus tim heidecker uh wrestling greco-roman style so peter peter

00:32:53.183 --> 00:32:56.523
ckosh in the chat what's up peter and what's up to everybody in the chat what's

00:32:56.523 --> 00:33:02.063
going on he uh he mentioned the scientists that have been dying left and right

00:33:02.063 --> 00:33:04.543
into talking about it, right? And Ashley, I think Ashley brought it up.

00:33:04.663 --> 00:33:08.023
I forgot who brought it up backstage that we needed to talk about it.

00:33:08.103 --> 00:33:13.423
Now, we've been involved in this for a long time, Don and John and myself.

00:33:13.963 --> 00:33:17.103
Ashley came a little bit later, so I don't know if Ashley will remember,

00:33:17.263 --> 00:33:22.743
but am I freaking delusional or was this a story 10 years ago? It was.

00:33:23.483 --> 00:33:26.703
I was looking at it. I'm like, come on. I'm like, what are we doing here?

00:33:26.703 --> 00:33:28.003
Like, we remember this, right?

00:33:28.183 --> 00:33:32.903
Or is it the new crop of conspiracy theorists that are buying into it because

00:33:32.903 --> 00:33:34.183
they haven't heard of it before?

00:33:34.543 --> 00:33:39.743
Greatest hits, Billy. Greatest hits. We've been talking about the death of scientists

00:33:39.743 --> 00:33:46.123
in weird coincidences for at least 15 years.

00:33:46.791 --> 00:33:50.591
I wrote about it in Hidden History, a whole section on it. There you go.

00:33:50.891 --> 00:33:52.391
When did you write Hidden History, Don?

00:33:53.471 --> 00:34:00.471
2014. So it was before then. I have a crate in my closet full of articles that

00:34:00.471 --> 00:34:03.911
I had printed out because I thought they were going to go away and I would never see them before.

00:34:04.211 --> 00:34:09.031
I almost went in there to get this article because I know I printed it out.

00:34:09.271 --> 00:34:11.231
I got it from Jeff Rents, I think.

00:34:11.611 --> 00:34:16.511
Jeff Rents' site had all the scientists. There was a bunch of scientists that had been dead.

00:34:16.791 --> 00:34:21.391
We've been running this conspiracy theory over and over again for at least 20

00:34:21.391 --> 00:34:24.451
years with zero results. Zero.

00:34:25.271 --> 00:34:29.371
Nothing has ever come of it. Now it's jumped the mainstream because this is

00:34:29.371 --> 00:34:31.471
the conspiracy theory administration.

00:34:31.851 --> 00:34:37.251
And Trump is like, I will take a look at it. And now everybody's going nuts about it. This is old.

00:34:37.571 --> 00:34:42.091
I've seen it before. Show me something new. Show me something with teeth.

00:34:42.691 --> 00:34:46.191
Just saying, oh, I think WorldTag is not a scientist.

00:34:46.831 --> 00:34:51.171
Just saying. What's up, Don? Go ahead. No, I think they're different names. Yes, I know.

00:34:51.451 --> 00:34:53.991
Making all of that up. And obviously, the dates are different.

00:34:54.171 --> 00:34:57.651
So, you know, and I don't really understand why they would be doing it.

00:34:57.751 --> 00:34:59.951
But, you know, these are questions that are raised. And you said,

00:35:00.031 --> 00:35:03.411
but no answers. I mean, how do we find answers to anything?

00:35:04.091 --> 00:35:07.171
Because you have to have some kind of official body rule on something.

00:35:07.331 --> 00:35:10.751
And Congress is never going to investigate that. No private commission is never

00:35:10.751 --> 00:35:11.671
going to investigate that.

00:35:11.931 --> 00:35:14.291
You're not going to win in court on any of this stuff.

00:35:14.911 --> 00:35:18.211
There's not a courtroom in the world that's going to issue a pro-conspiracy

00:35:18.211 --> 00:35:21.491
theory ruling on anything. That's just never going to happen.

00:35:22.211 --> 00:35:26.071
And I wouldn't call it. It's Open Stein for the last year.

00:35:26.791 --> 00:35:30.271
He's certainly no conspiracy theory thing other than he's calling the Epstein

00:35:30.271 --> 00:35:31.671
thing a hoax and that kind of thing.

00:35:31.871 --> 00:35:36.191
And he recently turned his back on Alex Jones and all these people and lashed out at them viciously.

00:35:36.271 --> 00:35:39.251
Again, because he's, you know, him and Alex Jones are probably part of the same

00:35:39.251 --> 00:35:44.551
acting troupe, but Trump's not the star of the show. Fantastic.

00:35:45.252 --> 00:35:48.212
Ashley, I'm going to leave you for last because I know you don't,

00:35:48.612 --> 00:35:52.532
you know, and if I ever find these articles, I'll take some snapshots and send

00:35:52.532 --> 00:35:54.972
them to you. But this is old news.

00:35:55.612 --> 00:35:59.212
John Brissom, thank you because I was losing my mind and I should have went

00:35:59.212 --> 00:36:00.512
to Don and I should have went to you.

00:36:00.772 --> 00:36:04.312
But when I'm seeing this roll out, I'm like, I've seen this.

00:36:04.912 --> 00:36:07.512
We've been talking about this forever. And the thing is, right,

00:36:07.592 --> 00:36:12.272
are we ever going to get answers for this sort of thing, I think the question

00:36:12.272 --> 00:36:15.672
we need to ask is, are we ever going to get answers suitable to you?

00:36:16.212 --> 00:36:20.252
You know, if the answer isn't suitable, are you going to accept it?

00:36:20.332 --> 00:36:25.552
And I mean, I'm talking in generalities here, you know, why did Alex Jones not

00:36:25.552 --> 00:36:30.232
present the evidence, right? Either he was in on it, right?

00:36:30.572 --> 00:36:34.592
Or he did it with the Wiener laptop, did he? When we looked into them cops,

00:36:34.752 --> 00:36:38.032
Billy, remember being amplified by C&P Eric Prince, right? Remember?

00:36:38.312 --> 00:36:41.132
I remember, I don't know if anybody else does, but I remember.

00:36:41.372 --> 00:36:44.932
We believed it when in trying to prove it. I didn't.

00:36:46.152 --> 00:36:50.472
I believed it, everything about that Wiener laptop. And I remember sitting with

00:36:50.472 --> 00:36:56.152
John and we were sitting there and I was like, can we trace this back to its source?

00:36:56.572 --> 00:37:00.252
Where is this coming from? And I think we worked for several weeks trying to

00:37:00.252 --> 00:37:01.412
figure it out. We did, yeah.

00:37:01.712 --> 00:37:05.572
And John finally got to it. And I was like, this is all bullshit.

00:37:06.252 --> 00:37:11.732
And I believed it. We both did. We both did. Right.

00:37:12.172 --> 00:37:15.972
You know, so what's bullshit? I mean, the Hillary Clinton torching a girl on

00:37:15.972 --> 00:37:17.792
it? Or did Anthony Weiner?

00:37:18.192 --> 00:37:21.352
Yeah, that was off of 4chan, complete straight up discordism,

00:37:21.492 --> 00:37:23.332
chaos magic, just to push that LARP.

00:37:23.512 --> 00:37:28.292
But on top of it, it was that the cops died because they had the proof and had

00:37:28.292 --> 00:37:30.252
seen the evidence on the Anthony Weiner laptop.

00:37:30.512 --> 00:37:35.492
We traced the individual cops. And we traced some of them didn't even die.

00:37:35.672 --> 00:37:40.912
Some of them were still alive. What are the odds of somebody named Wiener being

00:37:40.912 --> 00:37:43.652
the congressman to post pictures of his wiener?

00:37:43.772 --> 00:37:46.312
I mean, it's like D-Wayne Carvel.

00:37:46.632 --> 00:37:49.732
Oh my God. D-Wayne Carvel? Oh my God.

00:37:50.591 --> 00:37:53.711
Oh man yeah yeah yeah okay we can't i'm

00:37:53.711 --> 00:37:56.751
not saying he's not guilty of like being a degenerate dog

00:37:56.751 --> 00:37:59.411
he's a piece of what i'm saying is that the narrative that was

00:37:59.411 --> 00:38:04.611
put forth by cmp air prince right before the 2016 elections right okay of the

00:38:04.611 --> 00:38:09.251
of the police officers that died in mysterious circumstances just like these

00:38:09.251 --> 00:38:13.311
scientists i'll get to that in a minute right thank you we some of them were

00:38:13.311 --> 00:38:17.631
alive some of them died on duty one or two may have died from suicide,

00:38:17.891 --> 00:38:23.451
but some of them were years before the anti-wiener laptop had even occurred. It was ridiculous.

00:38:24.351 --> 00:38:27.711
And again, me and Billy 100% believed it. I believed it.

00:38:28.731 --> 00:38:34.251
100%. And then I was like, wait, this is actually wrong. Let me tell you something.

00:38:35.091 --> 00:38:37.991
I'm glad you brought that up because everybody hits me with TDS.

00:38:38.291 --> 00:38:43.551
When I was talking all this shit about Hillary Clinton, no one said Billy has

00:38:43.551 --> 00:38:46.991
Hillary derangement syndrome. And I probably legit did.

00:38:47.891 --> 00:38:51.091
I blamed her for Trump winning because she's such a lifeless candidate.

00:38:52.011 --> 00:38:56.891
She's awful. She's the worst. I believed everything that these people were talking

00:38:56.891 --> 00:38:57.891
about the Wiener laptop.

00:38:58.351 --> 00:39:02.151
And then to a point that I was like, we got to prove this out because this is

00:39:02.151 --> 00:39:03.071
just people saying stuff.

00:39:03.551 --> 00:39:08.831
And John and I sat down and did it. It's part of the breaking out of this whole thing.

00:39:08.971 --> 00:39:11.611
I wonder if we could even replicate it now.

00:39:11.831 --> 00:39:14.491
I mean, we could probably look back and look at our text messages maybe.

00:39:14.491 --> 00:39:18.551
I mean, I still have my own phone, but I'd have to look and see.

00:39:18.771 --> 00:39:20.851
But, I mean, it's the same with these scientists.

00:39:21.471 --> 00:39:25.011
Who built the list? UFO promoters on X. Right.

00:39:25.371 --> 00:39:30.071
Who pushed it? The Daily Mail. Boom. Which is right-wing pushed, okay?

00:39:30.811 --> 00:39:35.091
Who amplified it? Joe Rogan. Right. Why?

00:39:35.551 --> 00:39:41.151
Because Peter Thiel, for whatever reason, wants this to be pushed for Palantir

00:39:41.151 --> 00:39:44.391
and Andal Industries. I don't know exactly why. But when you look into the list,

00:39:44.631 --> 00:39:47.411
a lot of them are scientists.

00:39:48.808 --> 00:39:51.948
And one of the deaths was a janitor. And I'm not saying the janitor may not

00:39:51.948 --> 00:39:56.468
have stumbled upon something, you know, as Canary Cryerato is talking about, maybe.

00:39:56.928 --> 00:40:04.128
But like, when we really look, a lot of them were scientists and authors. And I get it.

00:40:04.228 --> 00:40:06.708
Not everybody has, there's autodidacts.

00:40:06.868 --> 00:40:10.008
I'm an autodidact with natural health, okay? I get it.

00:40:10.368 --> 00:40:12.608
But it's to serve a purpose.

00:40:12.988 --> 00:40:17.168
Now, what that purpose is, maybe they're setting up for some sort of false alien

00:40:17.168 --> 00:40:18.588
invasion, Project Blue Bean.

00:40:18.808 --> 00:40:23.128
Maybe they're setting up for, you know, as, as Wheezy said in the chat,

00:40:23.248 --> 00:40:27.608
shout out to Wheezy, the screen of faking, I don't know. Okay.

00:40:27.908 --> 00:40:31.288
All I know is, is this thing's an op. It's an op. And the thing is,

00:40:31.328 --> 00:40:34.828
is us and maybe I'm not part of this anymore.

00:40:34.948 --> 00:40:38.248
I don't know. But because people in the conspiracy and the alternative media

00:40:38.248 --> 00:40:44.548
realm, they take what people say on X and they run with it without not even

00:40:44.548 --> 00:40:47.728
looking these names up and doing very much critical thinking.

00:40:48.328 --> 00:40:52.648
It's the same with what we used to believe and do with the officers that died

00:40:52.648 --> 00:40:54.668
because of the Anthony Weiner laptop bill.

00:40:54.768 --> 00:40:56.968
100%. And they run with it without not.

00:40:57.765 --> 00:41:00.025
So that's all I got. That's all I got to say.

00:41:02.025 --> 00:41:05.805
100%. 100%. I couldn't agree more. Ashley, what do you think of all of this?

00:41:06.805 --> 00:41:10.745
Well, I think that it goes back to what we were talking about yesterday,

00:41:10.745 --> 00:41:18.045
is that when we get information online, that information is being fed to us from an algorithm.

00:41:18.405 --> 00:41:23.785
So I think that the issue of manipulation is something that we need to keep in mind.

00:41:24.545 --> 00:41:29.265
Why is this being shown to me? Now, maybe it is a legitimate issue,

00:41:29.525 --> 00:41:31.265
whatever, but I'm saying that,

00:41:31.685 --> 00:41:37.285
and I mean this for myself, too, that I need to get better about checking this

00:41:37.285 --> 00:41:40.825
stuff to see what's really surrounding the issue.

00:41:40.985 --> 00:41:46.885
So there has been a ton of hullabaloo about the scientists, right? Right.

00:41:47.325 --> 00:41:53.445
And so I was listening to Brad Binkley's analysis on this, and he said that

00:41:53.445 --> 00:41:55.405
like what you're talking about,

00:41:55.545 --> 00:42:00.325
that some of the scientists that are being brought into this this story were

00:42:00.325 --> 00:42:05.745
like one of them was considered it was documented that he had an alcohol problem.

00:42:05.745 --> 00:42:07.385
He was considered morbidly obese.

00:42:07.705 --> 00:42:13.125
And he was on his death certificate. It said that it was like natural causes

00:42:13.125 --> 00:42:16.065
by cardiovascular disease or something like that.

00:42:16.265 --> 00:42:20.425
And that his family had not been questioning the nature of his death.

00:42:20.545 --> 00:42:24.025
And he died in like, you know, it was a few years ago.

00:42:24.165 --> 00:42:29.645
It wasn't before this recent kind of the more recent deaths.

00:42:29.645 --> 00:42:31.965
But they're all kind of being herded together.

00:42:32.265 --> 00:42:36.825
And there was another lady that passed in maybe like 2022 or 2023.

00:42:36.945 --> 00:42:42.885
So he was saying the same thing is that these things are being all lumped together

00:42:42.885 --> 00:42:47.045
as a narrative management or as a distraction.

00:42:47.045 --> 00:42:53.525
Not really sure exactly why, but then Peter Doocy is asking these questions to the press secretary.

00:42:53.985 --> 00:42:57.385
And he works for Fox and they're talking about it on Fox. And then.

00:42:58.405 --> 00:43:02.465
So it just makes me wonder why. And maybe it is like what you were talking about

00:43:02.465 --> 00:43:05.925
earlier, John, that is just a chaos, a distraction.

00:43:05.925 --> 00:43:12.305
It's just keeping people completely divided or focused on something else.

00:43:12.305 --> 00:43:14.745
Or maybe it's preparing for disclosure. I don't know.

00:43:15.125 --> 00:43:19.005
But I just think that I personally need to do better about checking into this

00:43:19.005 --> 00:43:21.445
stuff and getting those facts for myself.

00:43:21.725 --> 00:43:27.365
When did they pass? Is there any suspicion on the part of the family?

00:43:28.225 --> 00:43:31.945
And the overall picture is why are we being shown this stuff?

00:43:32.085 --> 00:43:33.865
Like, why is it being promoted in the algorithm?

00:43:34.225 --> 00:43:38.545
Why are they talking about it on Fox? What does this actually mean for us, if anything?

00:43:38.985 --> 00:43:42.465
Well, to your point, Ashley. Let me get Don in. Let me get Don in real quick.

00:43:42.585 --> 00:43:43.745
I would go after you Don real quick because they have one last thing.

00:43:43.985 --> 00:43:46.545
All right, same one last thing and then we'll get Don to close it out. Go ahead.

00:43:46.905 --> 00:43:51.305
No, I just want to say in alternative media, we start realizing that when narratives

00:43:51.305 --> 00:43:57.085
are being spun around in X and on social media and stuff like that and everything, why are we not.

00:43:58.305 --> 00:44:01.665
Skeptical that these things are being pushed to us why do

00:44:01.665 --> 00:44:05.005
a lot of people immediately buy it without looking at it and just run like

00:44:05.005 --> 00:44:08.805
you understand what i'm saying like what if that's an op in of of itself right

00:44:08.805 --> 00:44:13.665
you know like and again another thing too is is most of i guess something you've

00:44:13.665 --> 00:44:16.785
always said billion something you are always talking about we get most of our

00:44:16.785 --> 00:44:22.325
information from the news media of course from the fourth estate right okay and again like,

00:44:23.105 --> 00:44:25.445
is that controlled or not? Like, what are we doing?

00:44:25.805 --> 00:44:29.305
And then on top of even that, like...

00:44:30.705 --> 00:44:37.025
They would not even have to report on it if they didn't want us to know about it.

00:44:37.245 --> 00:44:41.725
You guys understand that? Like, why is this out there?

00:44:42.245 --> 00:44:47.005
And we have the Disclosure movie coming out. We have David Wilcox's so-called

00:44:47.005 --> 00:44:51.805
or suicide, you know, or assassination, depending on who you believe.

00:44:51.985 --> 00:44:57.285
And it's being built around him for all these scientists and stuff like that.

00:44:57.385 --> 00:45:04.985
And David Wilcox was a true believer, nonsense driver bullcrap artist and grifter.

00:45:05.385 --> 00:45:10.425
So this is where we're at. You know, like to me...

00:45:11.566 --> 00:45:16.086
I don't know. To me, it just seems like it's an operation or it's natural and

00:45:16.086 --> 00:45:17.486
it's being driven by algorithms.

00:45:17.746 --> 00:45:20.326
And to what end to push? I don't know yet.

00:45:20.966 --> 00:45:25.406
And for people just to bite, lie, and sinker and not objectively look at it.

00:45:25.906 --> 00:45:28.846
And that's one of the main issues with, you know, now since everybody,

00:45:29.066 --> 00:45:32.886
as Alice Bailey would say, is being initiated into the mysteries for the Great

00:45:32.886 --> 00:45:34.406
Awakening, the False Great Awakening.

00:45:34.566 --> 00:45:38.046
All right. Now, everybody's a conspiracy theorist. Yeah.

00:45:38.726 --> 00:45:42.526
And that's a problem. everybody is a conspiracy theorist you're absolutely right

00:45:42.526 --> 00:45:45.626
don jeffries i'm going to give you closing thoughts on this buddy right well

00:45:45.626 --> 00:45:49.626
i i think you know and and i certainly understand that and there were so many

00:45:49.626 --> 00:45:53.626
disinfo artists out there and you know i come from the jfk community from decades

00:45:53.626 --> 00:45:58.686
ago i was awake when uh very few of us were we had a very small community then,

00:45:59.186 --> 00:46:03.346
and even then you had disinfo agents in the midst you have them everywhere 9-11

00:46:03.346 --> 00:46:06.986
was still within the ufo community is they're everywhere so and we don't know

00:46:06.986 --> 00:46:10.566
if they're just mistaken or they're being funded, like Cass Sunstein wanted to do.

00:46:10.726 --> 00:46:16.286
But my concern is that we end up saying, we disprove this and that.

00:46:16.366 --> 00:46:19.926
And a lot of times, I wouldn't do anything that any establishment source says.

00:46:20.046 --> 00:46:21.126
They lie about everything.

00:46:21.446 --> 00:46:25.006
So if they tell me something's been debunked, I just assume it hasn't been debunked,

00:46:25.026 --> 00:46:27.466
because they have never told the truth about anything in my lifetime.

00:46:27.726 --> 00:46:30.646
But they're pushing this, Don. They're not debunking it. That's the issue.

00:46:30.766 --> 00:46:33.966
They're pushing it. Well, no, they're pushing it too, but when they say it's

00:46:33.966 --> 00:46:37.586
been debunked, So again, so there may be elements.

00:46:37.866 --> 00:46:40.126
But they're not saying it's debunked. They're actively pushing it.

00:46:40.166 --> 00:46:43.406
Fox News, for example, actively saying this is true and this is going on.

00:46:43.506 --> 00:46:46.586
They're not debunking it. They're agreeing with conspiracy theories that this is happening.

00:46:47.189 --> 00:46:48.989
Well, you're talking, I think, about the missing scientists.

00:46:49.169 --> 00:46:51.429
They are pitching that. But the problem is that what happens is when.

00:46:52.049 --> 00:46:56.409
I think we run the risk of, again, understanding that we are being run by mobsters

00:46:56.409 --> 00:47:00.669
who have less principles than real mobsters do in real life, than the mafia does.

00:47:01.009 --> 00:47:05.049
And they have no scribbles about anything. They don't care about killing kids

00:47:05.049 --> 00:47:06.109
like real mobsters might.

00:47:06.509 --> 00:47:09.649
That kind of thing. We know they're cannibals, apparently, according to the

00:47:09.649 --> 00:47:12.409
Epstein files, unless that's a little fake, too, which maybe it is.

00:47:12.649 --> 00:47:14.549
But why do they want us to think they're cannibals?

00:47:14.889 --> 00:47:18.689
So these are horrible, horrible people. We know they've lied about everything

00:47:18.689 --> 00:47:22.009
from the JFK assassination, well, before that, but let's just say JFK assassination

00:47:22.009 --> 00:47:23.849
on. They haven't told the truth about anything.

00:47:24.129 --> 00:47:28.209
They're not telling the truth about Charlie Kirk, the most recent example.

00:47:28.369 --> 00:47:32.409
So I just don't want us to get lost and say, well, okay, then because this and

00:47:32.409 --> 00:47:35.149
that, that means that so-called conspiracy theorists know.

00:47:35.189 --> 00:47:37.909
People are conspiracy theorists because they have no power.

00:47:38.489 --> 00:47:41.769
People are sitting in their basement where they don't have a subpoena power.

00:47:42.189 --> 00:47:45.589
They don't have a big media outfit behind them. All they can do is speculate.

00:47:46.249 --> 00:47:48.869
Mark Lane wrote, when he wrote Breast of Judgment, my mentor,

00:47:49.049 --> 00:47:52.349
my hero, when he wrote that, in his introduction, he included the line,

00:47:52.509 --> 00:47:56.249
you know, because there's been no investigation of this murder of a president.

00:47:57.181 --> 00:48:00.401
The ground is rape for speculation and that

00:48:00.401 --> 00:48:04.041
and that's been the case ever since that we're going to speculate you're

00:48:04.041 --> 00:48:07.741
going to try to figure out because that that's all people do but isn't informed

00:48:07.741 --> 00:48:12.781
speculation important don there's difference between anybody can speculate anything

00:48:12.781 --> 00:48:17.501
using intuition right but isn't informed speculation better than just regular

00:48:17.501 --> 00:48:22.241
speculation i'm not against informed speculation at all but i'm against speculation

00:48:22.241 --> 00:48:24.001
for speculation's sake Like,

00:48:24.001 --> 00:48:29.561
that's kind of a subject of term, you know, what is informed.

00:48:29.781 --> 00:48:32.521
I mean, they've studied something to come into this conclusion.

00:48:32.761 --> 00:48:36.501
You may not like their sources or whatever. My concern, I said it again,

00:48:36.601 --> 00:48:40.321
is that we throw all this out and we end up liking this.

00:48:40.581 --> 00:48:44.281
That was my concern with Trump derangement for a long time, and so I may have

00:48:44.281 --> 00:48:47.521
a case of it myself. I don't know. But the other side is horrible.

00:48:48.041 --> 00:48:50.361
So what happened is the other side started looking good.

00:48:51.069 --> 00:48:54.549
Oh, you know, this is going to be so useful and funny, maybe Hillary isn't that

00:48:54.549 --> 00:48:57.989
bad, maybe the Clintons didn't kill all these people, that kind of stuff.

00:48:58.289 --> 00:49:00.969
Or, you know, maybe the Obamas, you know, they're cool, you know,

00:49:01.049 --> 00:49:04.969
maybe the Schiff died naturally, you know, drowning, you know, that kind of stuff.

00:49:05.509 --> 00:49:08.149
And that's what I'm concerned about, they're all criminals.

00:49:09.449 --> 00:49:13.149
Trump was a false character, as I said, he was an actor the entire time,

00:49:13.209 --> 00:49:16.709
and so he's turned down, obviously, I think most people are realizing that now,

00:49:16.849 --> 00:49:21.009
but But none of these people should. There's not one person today that has any power.

00:49:21.109 --> 00:49:23.389
And my most recent sub-stack, I talk about that.

00:49:23.789 --> 00:49:26.649
We're just, you know, we're the only ones that can fix this.

00:49:27.169 --> 00:49:31.849
And by coming together, millions of people have to come together and say, stop the corruption.

00:49:32.449 --> 00:49:35.929
That's all. Because any kind of leader, they get corrupted. You know, power corrupts.

00:49:36.009 --> 00:49:39.209
So that's all my, you know, I just, I don't, so when you say,

00:49:39.329 --> 00:49:40.789
well, you know, this, that, this, that.

00:49:40.909 --> 00:49:45.609
Okay, I understand that. But the overall narrative is true, that these people

00:49:45.609 --> 00:49:48.209
are criminals. They're conspirators by any definition.

00:49:48.409 --> 00:49:50.969
They conspire all the time against the interests of the people.

00:49:51.209 --> 00:49:54.429
And they lie about it. And then we have to try to figure it out.

00:49:54.569 --> 00:49:58.549
And then they have all kinds of people like Snopes and the mysterious fact checkers

00:49:58.549 --> 00:50:02.649
and all these people who can jump right out and say, no, they fact check me plenty of times.

00:50:03.609 --> 00:50:07.129
But, you know, that's what they do. They have the power, more power than we do.

00:50:07.589 --> 00:50:10.829
So that's all I'm saying is that I just I don't like the fact that,

00:50:10.909 --> 00:50:15.269
you know, because then we end up supporting whatever these conspiracy theorists are.

00:50:15.269 --> 00:50:18.809
Or however many of them disinfo agents, Alex Jones, any of these people,

00:50:18.849 --> 00:50:23.649
we know that the people in charge are absolutely evil. They're almost certainly satanic.

00:50:24.029 --> 00:50:27.929
They seem to be cannibals. So the last thing I'm going to do is throw anything

00:50:27.929 --> 00:50:30.529
in there where I live. It's bad enough that they're having sex with kids,

00:50:30.589 --> 00:50:31.849
but apparently they're eating them too.

00:50:32.469 --> 00:50:36.629
So, yeah, I don't think any conspiracy of yours could be more sensible than

00:50:36.629 --> 00:50:39.829
anybody. I don't believe it. But Don, is the mainstream media always wrong?

00:50:40.474 --> 00:50:43.314
Yes. Always. There's never been a bad anything.

00:50:43.914 --> 00:50:48.514
So there's never, so, so for example, Paul Rodriguez in the Mooney Washington

00:50:48.514 --> 00:50:53.154
Times, which is C&P controlled, is actually a story about a call boys in the

00:50:53.154 --> 00:50:54.814
White House. He was incorrect about that.

00:50:55.694 --> 00:50:58.234
Once, once in a while, they let a story like that get through.

00:50:58.354 --> 00:51:01.354
And what happened? Craig Spence killed, I wrote all about that in Hidden History.

00:51:01.594 --> 00:51:07.474
You had a bunch of deaths. It went away. and the Epstein files show that George H.W.

00:51:07.554 --> 00:51:11.754
Bush was still having sex with underage black boys because he had a report on

00:51:11.754 --> 00:51:14.314
the yacht, which they talked about now, but he was on the yacht doing it,

00:51:14.554 --> 00:51:17.334
same yacht where they saw them eating the entrails of dead babies.

00:51:17.494 --> 00:51:19.614
I mean, this is a report. Read the Epstein files.

00:51:19.874 --> 00:51:22.614
These are people reporting. Maybe they're making it all up. I don't know.

00:51:22.954 --> 00:51:26.594
But that's two different references to George H.W. Bush with an underage black

00:51:26.594 --> 00:51:30.114
boy. George H.W. Bush was a pedophile according to the Franklin scandal. I agree.

00:51:30.634 --> 00:51:34.114
I don't necessarily believe the Epstein documents themselves

00:51:34.114 --> 00:51:36.834
because of the sources of where that came from was a guy that was put

00:51:36.834 --> 00:51:41.194
forth by thomas payne i forgot his name it was a third party source too correct

00:51:41.194 --> 00:51:45.854
yes but i but nonetheless though i mean we all reference in the alternative

00:51:45.854 --> 00:51:50.214
media even in even in your book i would assume we reference mainstream media

00:51:50.214 --> 00:51:54.514
reports sometimes sometimes they're the only source sure they.

00:51:55.114 --> 00:52:01.574
Are the sole source that is a conspiracy theory people in our community say it all the time.

00:52:01.714 --> 00:52:06.574
If you don't turn on the television, if you get off of social media, nothing's wrong.

00:52:06.814 --> 00:52:09.474
Nothing's going to happen. Right. Because if you don't see it,

00:52:09.534 --> 00:52:10.674
that means it's not there.

00:52:10.814 --> 00:52:15.014
But everyone that tunes into a podcast, none of the majority,

00:52:15.314 --> 00:52:21.034
99.9% of the people that have podcasts in the alt media are not investigative journalists.

00:52:21.194 --> 00:52:26.494
They are regurgitators. Correct. They read the information from Drudge or anywhere

00:52:26.494 --> 00:52:28.954
else and then put their own spin on it.

00:52:29.014 --> 00:52:32.754
Or they read it from other people that have their frame of mind,

00:52:32.874 --> 00:52:36.094
like they'll go to Technocracy News and Trends. I did that forever.

00:52:36.334 --> 00:52:41.594
Or I'll go to Infowars or DavidIke.com and read that. Where do you think they're getting it from?

00:52:42.139 --> 00:52:45.579
You know, all of this stuff comes from the mainstream. It's this big,

00:52:45.599 --> 00:52:47.979
like, pushback. Oh, no, it doesn't. I don't listen to the mainstream.

00:52:48.279 --> 00:52:49.359
Yeah, you freaking do, bro.

00:52:49.699 --> 00:52:52.039
That's exactly where it comes from. That's because that's all we can do,

00:52:52.159 --> 00:52:56.319
though, is get our sources. If we don't put in the work to try to weave through

00:52:56.319 --> 00:52:59.039
this, you're going to get lost, inevitably.

00:52:59.659 --> 00:53:06.279
My whole issue is, right, I don't have a problem with educated speculation, right?

00:53:06.319 --> 00:53:09.259
It needs to be presented as such. but I

00:53:09.259 --> 00:53:13.019
do have a problem when that speculation is taken

00:53:13.019 --> 00:53:15.999
as proof and people are like that's what

00:53:15.999 --> 00:53:19.339
it is look at that like Dana do that look look at this link

00:53:19.339 --> 00:53:25.479
must there must have been something going on with with Sandy with with Candace

00:53:25.479 --> 00:53:30.299
Owens and Sandy Hook try to prove that for real if you're going to make such

00:53:30.299 --> 00:53:35.059
a claim try to prove it you know and this is a problem in the alt media I'm

00:53:35.059 --> 00:53:36.059
Sorry, go ahead, Don, and then we'll get to him.

00:53:36.059 --> 00:53:40.319
No, when you talk about podcasters, all of us, any of you, every one of my books,

00:53:40.519 --> 00:53:41.779
it's Schwarz and Peter Seekas.

00:53:41.799 --> 00:53:43.899
But Don, I consider you to be an investigative journalist.

00:53:44.059 --> 00:53:45.959
You've actually interviewed people, so we're not talking about you.

00:53:45.959 --> 00:53:49.139
Well, yeah, I try, but the problem is I'm limited in what I can do because most

00:53:49.139 --> 00:53:52.639
of them, Well, we all, me as an investigative journalist interviewing people.

00:53:53.159 --> 00:53:57.859
They won't answer your calls. I mean, most of the time, their phones have been

00:53:57.859 --> 00:53:59.139
disconnected almost every time.

00:53:59.559 --> 00:54:02.999
Very seldom. I mean, I called Timothy McVeigh's father, and he actually answered

00:54:02.999 --> 00:54:06.259
the phone. I was very worried. but I had about 30 seconds maybe.

00:54:07.030 --> 00:54:10.590
He instantly knew where I was coming. He didn't want to, even though I'm trying

00:54:10.590 --> 00:54:11.930
to say, hey, let me just send my son up.

00:54:12.270 --> 00:54:16.630
That interest, just like Seth Rich's parents want to sue you.

00:54:16.930 --> 00:54:19.650
It's no question anything about that. Because they're all in on it.

00:54:19.730 --> 00:54:23.590
I mean, apparently, they've all been bought off. But so there's only so much we can do.

00:54:24.150 --> 00:54:26.930
They're lucky to answer my emails. If you read American Memory Hole,

00:54:27.290 --> 00:54:31.050
you see, I was finally able to get a hold of the Todd Berg and the Coast Guard

00:54:31.050 --> 00:54:33.870
Petty Officer gave an interview about JFK's junior's office.

00:54:33.890 --> 00:54:36.910
But Dom, by you're doing that, you're doing more than, well, Billy's right.

00:54:37.030 --> 00:54:39.930
Me, as an investigative journalist and me investigating the finders and tracking

00:54:39.930 --> 00:54:42.810
down sources and getting documents and talking, that's gumshoe journalism, right?

00:54:43.190 --> 00:54:45.550
Yeah. Most of the alternative media ain't doing that.

00:54:46.110 --> 00:54:49.490
Most of them are just regurgitating talking points from other alternative media

00:54:49.490 --> 00:54:52.190
sources, from algorithm news that are being fed.

00:54:52.390 --> 00:54:57.530
And I'm not saying, I'm not necessarily against regurgitators if they do inform

00:54:57.530 --> 00:55:00.270
speculation to the best of their ability. I don't have a problem with that.

00:55:00.430 --> 00:55:05.730
But the thing is, is the art of investigative journalism, as you well know, Don, is dead.

00:55:06.652 --> 00:55:10.092
Of course. It is. And that's why we're trying to fill the void.

00:55:10.492 --> 00:55:14.892
Because if we had, there would be no need for any of these podcasts.

00:55:15.212 --> 00:55:18.552
Except for I could maybe host a podcast about sports or entertainment or something.

00:55:18.632 --> 00:55:19.532
People are like, you could do that.

00:55:19.872 --> 00:55:24.092
But fluffy stuff. But the only reason we do this is because we don't have journalists.

00:55:24.552 --> 00:55:28.192
We don't have a real Woodward and Bernstein. We haven't had it since they killed

00:55:28.192 --> 00:55:32.372
Dorothy Kilgallen. And, you know, she was the only journalist investigating the JFK assassination.

00:55:34.392 --> 00:55:40.732
Nobody investigates this stuff. that has the standing of a mainstream journalist,

00:55:41.452 --> 00:55:44.172
the Washington Post, the New York Times. They cover this up always.

00:55:44.792 --> 00:55:49.672
And they try to paint people like us kooks. But if they did their job,

00:55:49.752 --> 00:55:50.492
we wouldn't have to do it.

00:55:50.632 --> 00:55:53.412
I wouldn't have written any of my books because there wouldn't be any hidden history.

00:55:54.272 --> 00:56:00.152
The most drinks would have told the truth. We have Wayne Manson with balls of steel.

00:56:00.592 --> 00:56:03.972
I'm not saying that everything he does is right. He's probably wrong nine times

00:56:03.972 --> 00:56:07.292
out of ten. He is an investigative journalist. He is an investigative journalist.

00:56:07.432 --> 00:56:11.812
I remember I saw him outside of a 9-11 truth rally years and years ago.

00:56:12.132 --> 00:56:13.812
Oh, you mean Wayne Madsen. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:56:14.292 --> 00:56:16.752
He definitely is. He is an investigative journalist. And he rolled up to me

00:56:16.752 --> 00:56:18.312
and gave me his card. He's like, here.

00:56:18.532 --> 00:56:21.932
And it said investigative journalist on it. I have it somewhere still in my closet.

00:56:22.092 --> 00:56:25.552
He's done some good work. But he also, you could have talked to him about Trump

00:56:25.552 --> 00:56:27.812
because he had Trump-durring syndrome for a real long time. He did.

00:56:27.912 --> 00:56:33.132
He was one person that was, look, I respect Wayne's work. I don't agree with him all the time.

00:56:33.232 --> 00:56:37.392
Me neither. He was one that was on X straightly just like, if anybody,

00:56:37.712 --> 00:56:40.672
I won't call it Trump derangement syndrome, but he hated Trump.

00:56:40.852 --> 00:56:43.752
He hated Trump so much to the detriment of his own reporting.

00:56:43.992 --> 00:56:46.672
It's called Trump, Trump reality syndrome, ladies and gentlemen.

00:56:47.092 --> 00:56:49.872
Yeah, but it depends on how you frame it. Like he was purposely being like as

00:56:49.872 --> 00:56:52.732
hateful as he possibly come wishing death upon Trump pretty much.

00:56:53.072 --> 00:56:54.932
Shouldn't we be hateful towards pedophiles?

00:56:55.692 --> 00:57:00.852
Should we be hateful towards pedophiles? Wishing death in the manner of what

00:57:00.852 --> 00:57:07.452
he was doing. as a Christian, I can't justice be done wishing death like that?

00:57:08.652 --> 00:57:10.332
I'm not for the death penalty.

00:57:11.127 --> 00:57:15.747
But there are plenty of people out there that would would implement the death penalty on pedophiles.

00:57:16.507 --> 00:57:20.287
Especially to the level that trump was involved so if

00:57:20.287 --> 00:57:24.507
you hate you hate pedophiles and you don't hate donald trump there's something

00:57:24.507 --> 00:57:27.867
wrong all i'm saying is the way that he conducted himself and the way he would

00:57:27.867 --> 00:57:31.887
he would yell in all caps paragraphs about how much he disliked donald trump

00:57:31.887 --> 00:57:36.827
that's detrimental to his investigative journalism as far as anderson because

00:57:36.827 --> 00:57:39.387
anybody who looked at that would be upset about that, okay?

00:57:39.567 --> 00:57:43.487
Trump turned a lot of people away because people had legitimate Trump enablement syndrome.

00:57:44.057 --> 00:57:47.617
It was the fifth generation warfare that was going on. So he probably turned

00:57:47.617 --> 00:57:49.977
a lot of people away. That's probably not the best way to go about it.

00:57:50.077 --> 00:57:52.417
But it's hard to deal with something like that.

00:57:52.557 --> 00:57:56.157
He's not a psychologist. He's an investigative journalist. And he saw something

00:57:56.157 --> 00:57:57.797
that was wrong and he called it out.

00:57:58.397 --> 00:58:03.517
And so I, like James Carlyle, we want more Trump derranging syndrome. More. I want more.

00:58:04.037 --> 00:58:08.377
Give me more hate. Put it in my veins. I hate pedophiles.

00:58:08.577 --> 00:58:13.557
I hate people that try to take my freaking health care. I hate people that execute

00:58:13.557 --> 00:58:14.717
Americans on the street.

00:58:14.957 --> 00:58:17.517
I hate people that want to get rid of my democracy.

00:58:17.937 --> 00:58:22.777
Fuck that. I hate that guy. He can go to hell. I don't believe there's a hell,

00:58:22.937 --> 00:58:25.597
but if there is one, he can go there, okay?

00:58:26.237 --> 00:58:29.877
And that's just the end of it, and I don't make any excuses for hating pedophiles

00:58:29.877 --> 00:58:32.857
like Donald Trump. And if you do, there's something wrong with you.

00:58:33.337 --> 00:58:36.017
Not you or any of you here. I'm talking in generalities here.

00:58:36.657 --> 00:58:40.457
Okay, Don Jeffries, excellent points today. It is one o'clock.

00:58:40.457 --> 00:58:43.437
Like, if you two want to stick around with me for 15 minutes,

00:58:43.517 --> 00:58:46.037
because I want to shout out the chat, and maybe we could talk about Southern

00:58:46.037 --> 00:58:46.877
poverty for a little bit.

00:58:47.357 --> 00:58:49.057
But, Don, I know you got to go. If you want to stick around,

00:58:49.117 --> 00:58:51.337
that's fine. But I know you got to go. Tell the people where they can find you, sir.

00:58:52.077 --> 00:58:54.217
The only place that people were talking about X and Twitter,

00:58:54.357 --> 00:58:58.657
I don't know what's going on in X because they've effectively drummed me out

00:58:58.657 --> 00:58:59.617
of there. They hacked my account.

00:58:59.737 --> 00:59:02.597
I can't get it back. Elon Musk has nothing but AI support.

00:59:03.217 --> 00:59:05.557
They're worthless. They will not listen to what you're saying.

00:59:06.497 --> 00:59:10.897
There's nothing. So Elon Musk could hire at least one human in there, but he can't do it.

00:59:11.017 --> 00:59:14.397
So I guess I'll never get my ex-account back. I'll probably have to start over

00:59:14.397 --> 00:59:15.217
again, which I hate doing.

00:59:16.437 --> 00:59:19.377
So Substack is the only thing. DonaldJeffrey's at Substack.com.

00:59:19.517 --> 00:59:21.297
I protest just like my podcast.

00:59:21.837 --> 00:59:26.437
That's the only place to really that you can find me uncensored.

00:59:26.597 --> 00:59:30.617
Facebook still shadowbans me too. They get this new thing where I'm getting one reply sometimes.

00:59:30.837 --> 00:59:35.017
It's just ridiculous. It's tiresome, the games they play. But somebody's doing

00:59:35.017 --> 00:59:37.657
it. The shadowbending is real. So I can testify to that for sure.

00:59:38.077 --> 00:59:41.717
That is absolutely true, sir. Excellent points today. Thank you for having this

00:59:41.717 --> 00:59:45.257
discussion with us. It was a fantastic show. Are you going to be on with RB?

00:59:46.227 --> 00:59:48.927
No not tonight not tonight he said he's in the

00:59:48.927 --> 00:59:51.787
chat i saw him i don't know not tonight i was on last sunday but uh

00:59:51.787 --> 00:59:54.867
most of the time i'm on saturdays but not this one all right

00:59:54.867 --> 01:00:00.207
buddy go get some rest and i thought i got it i got it you guys take care i

01:00:00.207 --> 01:00:03.687
got to hit you up about the nfl draft later you tell me who to pick what happened

01:00:03.687 --> 01:00:09.207
take it easy all right and and for the record if donald trump was dying i would

01:00:09.207 --> 01:00:13.727
save him okay i don't hate him that much you know if Something was wrong with him.

01:00:13.827 --> 01:00:17.327
Like if he was on fire, I'd put him out. You know, I'd drop some water on him.

01:00:17.727 --> 01:00:20.867
You know, I might poke at him a little bit. Slowly, you'd slowly do it until

01:00:20.867 --> 01:00:22.747
he roasts enough. Slowly, slowly.

01:00:23.367 --> 01:00:27.507
You know, we got to make his skin legitimately orange. So, you know, we'll do that for him.

01:00:27.987 --> 01:00:31.467
But yeah, I really, if there's a human being I don't like, it's that guy.

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And I think I've been vindicated as to why.

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So there's that. All right. Do we want to talk about the Southern Poverty Law Center?

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Or do we want to just shout out the chat and get out of here?

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We have 15 minutes. Now, let's talk about the SPLC real quick.

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I'm down. Okay, go ahead, buddy.

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So the Trump administration, with Acting Attorney General Todd Blanche,

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brought a lawsuit against the Southern Poverty Law Center,

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indicating them of using shell companies, various shell companies throughout

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the years, to fund informants within various right-wing groups. Right.

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Including the KKK, including the Unite the Right rally, including the National

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Socialist Party of America, and et cetera.

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And so they stated that they believe that the Southern Poverty Law Center is

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defrauding their donors because these people are going against what the Southern

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Poverty Law Center claims that they are against, which is to stop the spreading of hate.

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Continuing to spread hate afterwards. It wasn't like they stopped being part

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of these organizations. Some of them were as high as the Grand Imperial Wizard, the KKK.

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So that is what they are implying.

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Now, the SPLC did release a 2014 membership list for the Council for National

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Policy many years ago, and the CMP is probably still steamed off about that, I would assume.

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And I'm not defending the SPLC, but at least that might be some sort of reason

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why the Trump administration has gone after the SPLC specifically, okay?

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And you also have the back and forth of January 6th and the events of January

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6th as well, too, if they're using a claim as the reason why.

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That's really what the case is. You guys have any thoughts? I mean,

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I'll talk about it later, but that's what we have, so. No, absolutely.

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I'm going to give it to Ashley. Were there wrong anything I said, Billy? Did I cover it?

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I don't think so. It sounded about right to me. Go ahead, Ashley.

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Yeah, so again, this is something else that we were discussing.

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So my biggest question is, what is the play here?

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So I think that John brought an interesting consideration, whether that is something

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to do with the CNP or whether this is what the Trump administration has been

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accused of quite a lot, which is going after their political enemies.

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And then, but really, I have more questions. So what,

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what is really the function of the SPLC? Like they're supposed to be,

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you know, standing against hate, basically.

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Do you feel that they were, that they were successful in doing that?

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Was this a placeholder organization?

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What, you know, and what, what is the fallout here? Do you think?

01:03:16.327 --> 01:03:19.107
I mean, I really don't know. And this is something, another episode,

01:03:19.327 --> 01:03:24.507
another issue that I need to do more digging in personally, but I have questions.

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I would say that if you're asking for my personal opinion, first of all,

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this has to be proved that they actively defrauded their donors,

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that their donors would not want this to occur.

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Now, they did shut it down, supposedly.

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It's argued of how, when they shut it down, Tom Blanche says his latest 2022.

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We really don't know, per se. We'll have to see the evidence of how it's presented in court.

01:03:50.067 --> 01:03:58.267
We'll have to see if the prosecutors have witnesses that the SPLC directed them

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to continue to do what they do within their organization, specifically for intent.

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You know, the case is not cut and dry and can literally go either way.

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Now, are you asking me, you know, why?

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So every organization, for the most part, when it comes to investigating,

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would put forth informants, right?

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And you even see that in law enforcement, but it does skirt the idea,

01:04:26.078 --> 01:04:31.698
in my belief, of ethics when law enforcements use informants, for example,

01:04:31.838 --> 01:04:36.918
when they put police officers in as informants in criminal organizations and

01:04:36.918 --> 01:04:41.018
the depths that the informants, even especially when their police officers break

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the law when they're deep undercover, right?

01:04:43.358 --> 01:04:46.298
Like, where's the moral and ethical line, right?

01:04:46.578 --> 01:04:49.578
And so the same thing could be said for the Southern Poverty Law Center,

01:04:49.578 --> 01:04:53.018
where's the moral and ethical line of them using informants,

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especially like the Imperial Wizard of the KKK,

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that, you know, was getting paid to give them information back,

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you know, well, they were still performing services of the Imperial Grand Wizard

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of the KKK, which would be spreading hate and radicalizing people,

01:05:07.498 --> 01:05:09.638
you know, according to the SPLC, right?

01:05:09.858 --> 01:05:13.118
So again, like, where is the line for that?

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You know, that's, again, but can you prove that that's defrauding,

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which is what the Trump administration is trying to prove, right?

01:05:22.618 --> 01:05:26.818
And so there's other issues as well, too. I don't want to go too deep into it

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of whether it can be, you know, specifically proven or not of what the Trump

01:05:29.778 --> 01:05:33.998
administration, they have to prove malice on the behalf of the SPLC.

01:05:34.798 --> 01:05:39.778
But, you know, ethically and morally, I would say that it's wrong what they

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were doing, but I mean, legally, don't know yet. Depends on the evidence the

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Trump administration has.

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And again, they did convene a grand jury in the headquarters of the SPLC,

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which is Birmingham, Alabama, unlike the other grand juries of the Trump administration

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was bringing forth that were not in the areas of where they did the indictments.

01:06:00.078 --> 01:06:07.158
For example, if Comey, for example, was in so, and it was not done in the manner that this was.

01:06:07.278 --> 01:06:11.378
So they had a grand jury of people from Birmingham, Alabama.

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To indict the SPLC with the evidence that they were shown.

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So that could mean the case could be more like built.

01:06:25.227 --> 01:06:27.967
Maybe. I don't know. We shall see. Right.

01:06:28.447 --> 01:06:31.987
And so that's pretty much all I have to say on it. It could go one way that

01:06:31.987 --> 01:06:34.947
could completely fall apart. Like all other ones have gone or this one could

01:06:34.947 --> 01:06:36.267
have legs. I don't, I don't know.

01:06:36.427 --> 01:06:39.007
I think they're going to have a really hard time trying to prove this out.

01:06:39.327 --> 01:06:44.407
Right. And my biggest issue is the way it's been painted. Jackson Barrett in

01:06:44.407 --> 01:06:47.167
the chat is the prime example of this.

01:06:47.847 --> 01:06:50.927
So either he's trolling again or he really believes this.

01:06:51.047 --> 01:06:55.467
And that's the issue with no real proof. And I'm trying to find.

01:06:55.467 --> 01:06:56.767
Oh, you mean the narrative?

01:06:56.967 --> 01:06:59.467
That's my issue. One of my main issues is the spin.

01:06:59.707 --> 01:07:04.327
So the spin is everybody— What Jackson is saying right now.

01:07:04.687 --> 01:07:07.987
Everybody at Unite the Right was a Fed.

01:07:08.207 --> 01:07:12.707
Everybody at Unite the Right was a leftist. Everybody at Unite the Right,

01:07:12.727 --> 01:07:21.187
there was no genuine right-wing people there that just wanted to push national

01:07:21.187 --> 01:07:24.087
socialism and neo-Nazi-type beliefs.

01:07:24.087 --> 01:07:30.547
And that framework that it's all just leftist sub you know subvertence is false

01:07:30.547 --> 01:07:37.647
straight up false okay so you know again you did have fed informant david duke

01:07:37.647 --> 01:07:42.307
unite the right you know but no one's talking about that so i mean.

01:07:43.284 --> 01:07:49.044
That's the spin, is that this proves that there are no right-wing agitators,

01:07:49.044 --> 01:07:52.364
and there's no right-wing true believers that just believe this stuff.

01:07:52.604 --> 01:07:57.264
It's all left-wing agitators and left-wing true believers that are getting paid

01:07:57.264 --> 01:08:01.444
to do all these things, which is objectively false. Right, it's bullshit.

01:08:01.784 --> 01:08:08.764
And this is how it's being presented by Todd Blanche, until he's pushed on it.

01:08:08.824 --> 01:08:11.744
Then he talks about that actual suit. right he

01:08:11.744 --> 01:08:14.504
talks about the actual situation that it's it's a it's it's fraud

01:08:14.504 --> 01:08:17.324
that they're trying to get at it's it's technicalities that

01:08:17.324 --> 01:08:20.104
they're trying to push at in order to push their agenda you want to talk about

01:08:20.104 --> 01:08:23.004
lawfare this is it and and what they did

01:08:23.004 --> 01:08:25.904
with Letitia James whether you like her a hater it all

01:08:25.904 --> 01:08:28.764
fell apart for a reason James Comey it all fell apart for

01:08:28.764 --> 01:08:32.124
a reason they didn't have anything they didn't have anything so it's going to

01:08:32.124 --> 01:08:36.824
be incredibly incredibly difficult to prove this but what they did what they

01:08:36.824 --> 01:08:42.564
are able to do is continue to rage bait people that want to subscribe to this

01:08:42.564 --> 01:08:47.344
stuff and they want to find evidence that it's all the left doing all of this stuff.

01:08:47.684 --> 01:08:52.484
Right. And so they'll hold on to that. And as you've seen, and probably everybody

01:08:52.484 --> 01:08:57.084
in the chat, you've seen it throughout, you know, social media and everywhere else.

01:08:57.244 --> 01:09:00.044
And people are like, yeah, look, it's it's it's them all along.

01:09:00.304 --> 01:09:03.664
They've been funding the racists. They've been funding hateful people.

01:09:03.824 --> 01:09:06.224
They've been funding the riots. It's them all along.

01:09:06.504 --> 01:09:08.804
That's not even what the freaking case is about. Right.

01:09:09.310 --> 01:09:12.510
It's not. It's something completely different altogether.

01:09:12.910 --> 01:09:17.010
They're alleging fraud, you know, because of some of this stuff.

01:09:17.210 --> 01:09:20.270
So I think they're going to have a real hard time proving this out,

01:09:20.410 --> 01:09:24.910
you know, and the psychological warfare continues on the people of the United

01:09:24.910 --> 01:09:28.610
States of America as a result. And Ashley, did you get a chance to talk about this?

01:09:29.070 --> 01:09:32.710
I don't know if you did or didn't. Yeah. Well, I asked a couple of questions

01:09:32.710 --> 01:09:37.310
about, you know, that to John and just like what what's going on here.

01:09:37.470 --> 01:09:41.570
And I think it is remains to be seen situation. Yeah, absolutely.

01:09:41.890 --> 01:09:45.570
We'll see what develops, if they actually have any proof to prove out any of this stuff.

01:09:45.670 --> 01:09:47.750
But what we do have is that Kash

01:09:47.750 --> 01:09:53.830
Patel said that the Southern Poverty Law Center was awful, pretty much.

01:09:53.830 --> 01:09:59.990
He hated them and he severed ties with them because they had a relationship

01:09:59.990 --> 01:10:03.530
with with the FBI for years and years and years and years.

01:10:03.750 --> 01:10:12.610
And and the Trump regime of 2024, 2025 severed ties with the with the Southern Poverty Law Center.

01:10:12.850 --> 01:10:17.790
So there and a lot of a lot of people in the administration have been singled

01:10:17.790 --> 01:10:20.010
out by the Southern Poverty Law Center as well.

01:10:20.410 --> 01:10:23.190
And these are probably the reasons that they're attacking. I mean,

01:10:23.210 --> 01:10:27.210
everybody saw it coming. Anybody who was paying attention to the situation, they saw that.

01:10:27.990 --> 01:10:30.730
That the southern poverty law center was in the crosshairs of the trump regime

01:10:30.730 --> 01:10:35.390
and here it is there'll be more there'll be more they're already talking about

01:10:35.390 --> 01:10:36.990
treason with obama brother right,

01:10:37.630 --> 01:10:40.670
yeah trump posted that about treason about obama

01:10:40.670 --> 01:10:43.470
and hillary clinton i just want to mention one thing about unite the

01:10:43.470 --> 01:10:46.510
right one last thing is it was a mixture and

01:10:46.510 --> 01:10:50.010
hodgepodge of true believer conservatives

01:10:50.010 --> 01:10:53.990
alt-right members white nationalists whomever

01:10:53.990 --> 01:10:57.510
in combination with you know

01:10:57.510 --> 01:11:00.450
fed informants and actors of all

01:11:00.450 --> 01:11:04.170
kinds right like you're never going to be able to parcel through what's

01:11:04.170 --> 01:11:07.030
what and all sides try to label one side or

01:11:07.030 --> 01:11:12.250
the another as something right okay and i just want to make that known because

01:11:12.250 --> 01:11:18.150
it's just like january 6 and what was involved with all that you know everybody

01:11:18.150 --> 01:11:23.230
wants to paint it one side or the other depending on what side you're in when

01:11:23.230 --> 01:11:25.530
it was a melu mixture of different,

01:11:25.690 --> 01:11:29.510
you know, you had people there that were MAGA, you had people there that were

01:11:29.510 --> 01:11:30.770
alt-right, you had people there...

01:11:31.447 --> 01:11:35.127
That were just reporting on it. You had people there that were feds.

01:11:35.207 --> 01:11:39.927
You had, I mean, it was a mixture and outside wants to point blame at each other

01:11:39.927 --> 01:11:43.687
instead of realizing that there's nuances in both instances.

01:11:43.927 --> 01:11:47.667
And I'm not excusing what happened at Unite the Right. I'm not excusing what

01:11:47.667 --> 01:11:50.767
happened at January 6th. I'm just trying to be objective about it.

01:11:51.147 --> 01:11:59.307
And, and, and, and I will say this is extremely disingenuous to point both January

01:11:59.307 --> 01:12:06.487
6th and unite the right as all leftist Soros paid informants. That's ridiculous.

01:12:06.927 --> 01:12:10.087
I agree 100. So we got five minutes and then we're getting out of here.

01:12:10.227 --> 01:12:13.327
Ashley has to go do Knights of the Storm and everybody else has to go live their lives.

01:12:13.627 --> 01:12:16.327
Tune in to Knights of the Storm today, 2 p.m.

01:12:16.807 --> 01:12:19.887
Eastern. Ashley's got a whole thing planned with Karen Carpenter. Shouts to Karen.

01:12:20.367 --> 01:12:24.867
Also, Wheezy should be going on at 5 p.m. So go tune into Wheezy's show. What is Truth podcast.

01:12:25.647 --> 01:12:28.887
All right. Let me go over some of the, let me say, shout out some of the people.

01:12:28.987 --> 01:12:31.247
I'm going to do the Apple reviews and then we're getting out of here.

01:12:31.367 --> 01:12:32.467
We'll do that in five minutes. I promise.

01:12:32.987 --> 01:12:35.767
Knights of the Storm, what's going on? How are you? Raybo is in the chat.

01:12:35.887 --> 01:12:39.327
What is going on? Hope you're doing well. Yona, what's going on? How are you?

01:12:39.807 --> 01:12:43.667
Jackson T-Barrett, what's going on, buddy? How are you? Harps is in the chat

01:12:43.667 --> 01:12:45.447
in fictional Australia. How are you?

01:12:46.047 --> 01:12:50.607
Skunk, Hollow Rose Garden, what's going on? Bronx Stompers, what's up? How are you?

01:12:51.427 --> 01:12:55.047
Amarco, So what's going on? Thank you for being here. Birdhouse Blues.

01:12:55.327 --> 01:12:58.047
I love Japan. I love Japan too. I love Godzilla.

01:12:58.387 --> 01:13:01.987
I want to go to Japan one day. All right. What else? These are repeat offenders

01:13:01.987 --> 01:13:05.187
over and over. I know Karen was in the chat. Gart Goldsmith was in the chat.

01:13:05.727 --> 01:13:09.487
Bart Duper. What's going on? Bart, how are you? And I'm going to keep looking

01:13:09.487 --> 01:13:12.027
for a little more of my boy, Kenny Powers. What's up, Kenny?

01:13:12.267 --> 01:13:15.227
How are you? Always making me laugh in the chat. What's up?

01:13:15.967 --> 01:13:18.867
Peter Seacosh. How are you? How's he doing? How's the guy doing?

01:13:19.107 --> 01:13:23.687
How is Twisted? I didn't see twisted in the chat, but I'm going to give him a shout anyway.

01:13:24.347 --> 01:13:27.907
Colin Wiseong, what's going on? Lil Jon, what's up, Lil Jon? Hope you're doing well.

01:13:28.607 --> 01:13:31.827
Bebe, what's up, Bebe? He's funny too. Bebe's pretty funny.

01:13:32.311 --> 01:13:36.251
Piper Fogel was in the chat. She asked me if I support Mockingbird Media.

01:13:36.371 --> 01:13:40.871
I don't, but I'm sure you and I can sit down, Piper, and all of your beliefs,

01:13:40.931 --> 01:13:43.171
I'll trace them back to the Mockingbird Media.

01:13:43.491 --> 01:13:48.311
I am 100% positive. Go to one of these betting sites. Go to Polymarket.

01:13:48.771 --> 01:13:50.911
Bet everything you got that I can do it because I can.

01:13:51.531 --> 01:13:56.991
All of you, all of your beliefs will push them right back to the mainstream.

01:13:57.451 --> 01:14:00.871
Then it's up to you to accept it. That's something completely different.

01:14:01.531 --> 01:14:04.611
All right. Who else is in here? I don't know. I don't know. Okay.

01:14:04.691 --> 01:14:08.351
Whoever else is in here that I don't get to, we love you guys. Thank you for tuning in.

01:14:08.651 --> 01:14:16.011
We got about 75 people over at Rumble and 103 collectively across platforms

01:14:16.011 --> 01:14:18.091
on everywhere else. What's up?

01:14:18.391 --> 01:14:23.071
Okay, fine. I'm going to read these reviews. You guys are free to criticize,

01:14:23.071 --> 01:14:31.391
but please say what's up to the people that left the reviews. Okay, here's one.

01:14:32.086 --> 01:14:36.586
I'm here for the TDS support group, it says, and this is Rain, apparently.

01:14:36.766 --> 01:14:40.986
It says, I believe Trump is an actor to the extent that his personality was

01:14:40.986 --> 01:14:43.066
manufactured for television long ago.

01:14:43.446 --> 01:14:49.526
The present buffoonery is an amalgamation of a lifetime of genuine evil loosely

01:14:49.526 --> 01:14:52.926
veiled by the same manufactured personality,

01:14:53.466 --> 01:14:58.166
terminal narcissism, and hold on, there's more terminal narcissism and the unchecked

01:14:58.166 --> 01:14:59.166
power of the presidency.

01:14:59.386 --> 01:15:02.926
I think that's 100% right. Welcome. How are you?

01:15:03.666 --> 01:15:08.546
Babylonian mystery school level intellect reflected there.

01:15:08.706 --> 01:15:13.186
And the only thing I got to tell you is this isn't going to be a TDS support group.

01:15:13.366 --> 01:15:17.126
This is a TDS enablement group, at least from me.

01:15:17.326 --> 01:15:21.386
I am not going to do anything to veer you off from your path.

01:15:21.526 --> 01:15:26.886
I will just continue to feed information, truthful, factual information about

01:15:26.886 --> 01:15:29.606
this piece of filth. and that's not going to make it any better.

01:15:29.786 --> 01:15:31.906
Thank you for listening to America Unplugged.

01:15:32.166 --> 01:15:34.366
Ashley, say hello to them. Don isn't here.

01:15:34.866 --> 01:15:38.426
Tony's not here, but I'm sure they want to hear from you. So say what's up to Rain.

01:15:39.946 --> 01:15:45.526
Say what's up to who? Her name is Rain. Oh, Rain. Hi, Rain. Hello.

01:15:46.866 --> 01:15:50.346
She left a review on Apple Podcasts. This is what we're doing right now.

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Thank you for your review.

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And while I'm here, I'm just going to say, if you leave the show a five-star review,

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then they will read it on the air at the end and the only subject that you're

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not allowed to talk about is tony's dog beans in a negative way otherwise you

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can criticize the rest of the cast.

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So don't forget to leave a review this is what they're doing they're leaving

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reviews we got three of them four of them actually but i don't have the other

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one john say what's up to rain,

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Glad to be here. We all know that Billy is paid by the CIA as part of Operation Mockingbird.

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And so that's definitely why I've seen the CIA data checks.

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So I'm glad to be here, you guys. Thank you for having me on. It's been great.

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And Billy's CIA money is why he's able to buy so much Junior's Cheesecake.

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That is true, yes. Exactly. It's very suspicious otherwise.

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He's going to be 400 pounds soon. George Soros came through.

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Donald Trump did not. I've been waiting for my Doge check forever.

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George Soros is at least giving me some money. So thank you,

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George Soros. Okay, there's another one. It's from Not on the Epstein List.

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Truth, five stars. Thank you. It says, great show.

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I hope achy, breaky, dem, heart, Billy Ray Cyrus understands that this was going

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to happen with Iran no matter what America election is actually,

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the American election is actually a selection.

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Admit, Billy, that the achy-breaky heart line was solid. Ha ha ha.

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Agree with you on several issues, and thank you for your insight.

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Don and Tony appreciate you as well. Well, thank you.

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You know, that achy-breaky heart line almost cost you your initiation into the

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Babylonian Mystery Schools, but we're going to let that one slide.

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That was pretty corny. It was a dad joke. We're going to let it slide, though.

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We're going to let it slide. Thank you for listening to America Unplugged.

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Of course, I don't think that this would have happened. They had four years with Biden.

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Hate him as much as you do. He didn't get us into another forever war in Iran.

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This is a disaster, what's going on over there. So no, I don't think that that would have happened.

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This is brought to you by Donald Trump and exclusively by Donald Trump,

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this particular chapter in this disaster that we've created over in the Middle East.

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But other than that, fantastic. Thank you for listening. We appreciate you, Ashley. Say what's up.

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Well, thank you so much for having me on. I wish that I had more hard-hitting,

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deep-diving information to add to

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the conversation today, which I really didn't. But I'm happy to be here.

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Happy to be part of that. And yeah, like Billy was saying, check out Nights

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of the Storm, 2 p.m. today.

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And I started my own show, Think, Change, Repeat. So I've been going live on Thursdays.

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I may adjust my time, but right now I'm on Rumble YouTube.

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So feel free to check it out. Hit me up. Fantastic. And thank you for your appearance.

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It was awesome, as usual. Thank you.

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Tune in tonight to The Storm in a sec. In about 30 minutes. That's what I call a sec.

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You know when it is. 2 p.m. Eastern. Go tune in over there. If you need to leave,

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Ashley, go ahead. I got one more review to do.

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And I'm forcing John to stick around for the next 10 minutes.

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You can leave if you wish.

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You can stay if you wish to. I'm good. I'll hang out. See how he treats me?

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It's very rude, John. I feel so bad for you. He doesn't have a choice in the matter.

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Okay, last one Good to know I'm not alone I love the different views All you have,

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Great team, never miss an episode But I beg you Don, get a better microphone,

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please Have you ever listened to yourself? The audio is terrible.

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But all are great together anyway. Okay, well, thank you so much. I'm defending Don here.

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The microphone brings a certain boomer aesthetic that is desperately needed

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with all us millennials here and Gen Xers, okay?

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So I'm defending Don and his mic. I'm defending it, all right? To the death.

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We're working on, we're working on, the audiovisual department here at America

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Unplugged is working on it.

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It's trying to rectify the situation over there, man. But man,

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working remotely, it's tough. I don't know what the hell's going on.

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Sometimes it sounds great. And sometimes it goes, thank you for bearing with us through all of that.

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We're actively working on it. I don't know if it's going to be successful,

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but we are. Thank you for leaving the review also.

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Good, sir. All right, Johnny, tell them where they can find you, buddy.

01:20:13.372 --> 01:20:16.652
Yeah, you can find me. We read the documents on YouTube and Substack.

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Great to be here with you, Billy and Ashley and Don.

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And Billy, we're going to have to do another part of MAGA rap because our favorite,

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Brock Lesnar, met with Tom McDonald and some pictures were taken and some nice words were exchanged.

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Brock Lesnar talked about him and how him and Sable bumped Tom McDonald every

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time they get in a truck, brother.

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Every time they get in a truck, they bump them some Tom McDonald.

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All right? So we definitely, definitely, definitely. We need to do that.

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First off, that shows incredibly bad taste in music.

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Second, Brock Lesnar has also been accused of sexual inappropriateness with,

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in particular, taking a crap on a woman.

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I don't know if that was Vince and Brock, but they were both involved there.

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Birds of a feather is what I'm saying, regardless. All right, let's get up out of here.

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I'll be tuned in tonight. Everybody in the chat, we love you and appreciate

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you. Everybody that's listening after the fact on Apple Podcasts,

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what is going on? Thank you so much.

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Make sure you leave a review. Five stars. We'll talk about whatever you want.

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If you leave, five stars, except for Beans the Brave, Ashpur, Ashley.

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Let's get up out of here. We are out. No music today. We're just leaving.

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Bye. Boom. We're still on the air. we're still on the air, we're still on the air, we're still on.